yeah i am married with three kids, 700 for a video card is just out of the question. i appreciate your appraisal of the situation though. i will take a stroll through those forums and see if i can find a good budget one.

I am considering a major upgrade to my video card, the rest of the rig is in pretty solid second or third shelf standing. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130652 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=14-130-660&SortField=0&SummaryType=1&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=%28keywords%29&Page=1#scrollFullInfo the main difference is that one is 192bit, and 2gb of gram, and the other is 256bit and 1gb gram. i havnt found anything obvious through Google yet. let me know if you have any thoughts to add thanks. Oni Kath Hound