Lol, seeing most of the people posting on this aren't even reading my OP, I'm out. Have fun trollin guys!

You lose alot of actual time trying to get 2 teams of 4 to queue at the same time through a voice chat and be on the same team than actually playing. WoW has premades for lowbie PvP, and I only bring up that piece of filth to point out that premades do not ruin pvp at all, its as easy as saying "LFG for PvP" in any chat on any planet at any time.

I should clarify, this post was never me whining about losing all the time, or that we have to have 8mans to troll, the point was im tired of bad players contributing nothing and ruining the fun im trying to have while being semi competitive, then getting recognition for a win they wouldn't have gotten had me or my guildies not been there in the first place. I'm a team player 100%, but it has to be a TEAM effort. I do understand some people are new and don't understand how PvP works, but when you tell them how to do it every match and they refuse to try to do things properly or learn or better themselves, i think they should be excluded if i have 7 other friends that do play properly.

I do understand that alot of them are new players, but when i see their legacy name on 3 different toons.... that is a different thing altogether. Adressing your second point, no i'd like to take an 8man of my lowbie friends ( high teens to low30s) and completly stomp on a group because we out played them. Your third point is completly wrong, at the beginning of matches i ask poeple if they need a clarification on strats in the current WZ, i call out incoming numbers and generally help as much as i can BEFORE i yell **** NOOB SCRUBS L2PLAY". you can only lead a horse to water, you cannot make him drink. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, yours is just wrong.

Apparently some of you can't read, I said pre 50 warzones... you can't do rated in pre 50.

I feel that Star Wars The Old Republic needs to have the ability for full 8 man grouping in pre 50 PvP (and pre 55 after patch) . I am tired of losing hard fought games because one or two people refuse to play the objectives properly. I dont personally feel that carrying bad players through warzones is a good thing. I have personally tried on countless occasions to enlighten said scrubs on the tips for each different warzone, but no one listens. People that enjoy PvP shouldn't have to drag along people who don't deserve a win because we are limited to 4-man premades. If you can't play the objectives in a warzone why play at all?