he's right

I can see your thinking in your openers and it makes sense, for me the main issues would be do i want to open immediatly with my biggest hit? Im sure the tank wont appreciate it too much lol The next question is about the priority, by having turbulance above 3 stacks of concentration this suggests you would cast it over and allow your 3 stack buff to drop off? Is this not counter productive to force management? My last point (very small tbh) is that in fights where a large amount of movement is required TK dps can drop of a cliff face, mind crush sits so high to maintain at least some sort of damage during said movement...........As i said a very minor point but worth considering.

A well presented mature answer GG! Clearly this is an issue your having............as i said i can only "assume" you have bad gear as this is not a problem that has forced me to come to the forums crying, unless of course you just stand there and try to have a stand off? And guys calling me a noob when your the ones complaining you dont have the skill set to eazy win!!! Finally why create a post if its just a complain thread where all you want to do is rage on someone who disagrees with you? I take it your well geared and still struggling to do well in WZ's......................oh dear and im the noob! Enjoy your day

The problem is the way your playing the class, I very rarely lose 1v1 in Balance spec. Im thinking your gear is probably rubbish atm and your not seeing the true effect those dots have. Quoting tooltips is a silly way to justify your reasoning as you take no consideration for crits, relics, adrenals etc..............you also forgot to mention the bonus force in balance gives to your dots. Several Sages have commented in this thread about the strength of balance in PVP your either unwilling to accept its potential or unable to grasp the spec. The Hybrid spec is fun but most of that damage your seeing is in fact AOE and not particularly focused When you consider the issues some melee classes are suffering atm compaired with our fairly awesome tree's im struggling to understand your complaints.

The priority list can be a little confusing but disturbance only sits higher when achieving 3 stacks of concentration it then drops below Turbulance, TK wave (tidal force),TK throw (Psychic Projection). The list should look like this:- Weaken Mind Disturbance (Less than 3 stacks of Concentration) Mind Crush Turbulence Telekinetic Wave (Tidal Force) Telekinetic Throw (Psychic Projection) Disturbance Hope this helps

Seriously you really need to spend more time in spec with decent pvp gear to appreciate just how awesome balance is..................nuff said On the tk front yep pvp takes some skill to pull this one off, it is mainly a PVE skill set but i took it to WZ's tonight and kept my distance, LOS ranged, kited melee etc. One of the hardest things to kill for has always been healing sorceror's..........pop a relic and alacrity and hit those skills BOOM!

PVE or PVP? Force is less of an issue in PVP...........................Why not run with both spec's and make your own decision. Have fun

lol......................silly idea, sorry buddy but your gonna have to get your gear to play on lvl the hard way

Hopefully this question will finally be put to bed period dmg refers to dots not channels. A simple way to prove this is cast force in balance on a mob (Will need Force suppression points) then simply cast a tk throw.....................you will see the 10 charges are not consumed.

Your a little behind to be honest, been using one myself for a few weeks now. Until we get some sort of DPS counter I wouldnt want to commit to a build which produces the best dmg, I also wouldnt go off WZ damage as you can easily achieve your builds dmg in any of the damage trees................... Personally i dont see the need to go so high on the TK tree as POM gives the insta proc Tele wave, the points could be placed into the seer tree for 10% aoe damage and 3% crit. I also hate disturbance always feels like its time lost casting, better to spam tk throw for the POM proc (TK Wave) with project fillers. For PvP i also like to have points in kinetic collapse as this is useful when dealing with stealth classes. Sever force doesnt get much love atm, personally i really like the skill and find it very useful in pvp. On SOA HM last night i felt balance could of offered me more in terms of overall dmg as there were a lot of periods where channeling/casting were unreasonable due to moving from lightning balls. Just my two cents worth, enjoy your build

If it was an exageration then people wouldnt complain so much about the individual class, I get the mesasage about the stacking buffs and agreed it needs to be resolved. And i promise i have died several times today alone in this manner.

Whats skill got to do with it lol, how can you call yourself a skilled player when your not opposed lol. Surely a good player would enjoy the challenge of someone who can fight back? This isnt a hate thread guys and making personal comments is just meh!!! Seriously if im missing something then please show me the errors of my ways but for now I cant see the "skill" of nuke kills from stealth with no risk!

Nice a very mature answer well done So tell me how do you deal with it in a stun lock? I understand u enjoy easymode but seriously you cant think its WAI?

Sorry guys ive never been a fan of nerf threads but you guys need a serious sort out, as a Sage in full champion gear dying in a stun lock (bubble included) its gone beyond frustration and is now getting boring. This with the ability to re stealth whilst surrounded by other players in combat is sooooo wrong, at the very least you should have a cd after combat. And if you think this is a one sided argument, its the same for scoundrels killing players before you get any chance to actually pvp utterly boring i would rather neither came along. Bring on the nerf please BW make us happy

Why put a point into Tidal force when disturbance sits at the bottom of your priority list? its directly below a skill tht has no cd therefore will see no use + the TW wave insta proc can be gained from Prescence of mind...........................

not a clue....................