Yeah, unfortunately BioWare didn't distiguish between the 2, but I guess 8 man normal is hard??? I play a mesmer. If anyone is in the GW2 closed, hit up Forty Seven Wait, how do you know this is a world first?

I'm sorry, did I insult your beloved game? Before you attempt to troll me, think about what I said. You can't argue with it, its basically philosophy at this point. Again, in its current state the game is awful. You sit on the fleet all day watching people attempt to find tanks. You have no reason to go anywhere but Ilum and Belsavis, which makes every other planet worthless. Biochem is the only good crewskill to go atm because everything else sucks. There is barely any content, most content can be cleared in two nights, and half the flashpoints can't be done on Hard. Maybe you like sitting around and RPing, or doing nothing all day, but the majority of people don't. And all we're saying is that we hope they fix it, because if they don't, they are going to lose a lot of subs to games like GW2 and WoW. I definitely don't want to see that happen.

I agree. In its current state this game is awful. I've tried to look past the boredom and the bugs, and the lack of "open world" whether it be travelling around or pvp. Its just so bad. At this point they would almost have to re-work the entire game. Good thing diablo 3 is in may (?!)

Holy crap did I just look into a mirror? I feel like I just said both of those things last week, probably because I did. Coincidence? - Let's be real. I couldn't care less about either guild involved, but when I try to check the forums, there is constant bickering and fighting about stuff that doesn't even matter. Neither guild can prove anything other than they killed the boss. No US Firsts. No World Firsts. Just a kill. So now its time for someone who has really raided at a top level in the past to step in and give some opinion on the matter. Hopefully this helps. I feel bad for anyone who is on this server. This is not how normal progression guilds act and react towards each other. Unfortunately, there isn't much else to do on these forums except complain and fight, because they aren't really designed for anything else. Just imagine if you were a new member coming to these forums and saw this happening. Guilds fighting with each other over something they can't prove, guilds lying about where their membership came from in past games, ex-guild members starting fights because they are upset they got kicked out. Its no wonder things are getting as bad as they are. Instead of fighting, why don't you guys do what the rest of the progression guilds are doing? Put your heads together, give feedback to BioWare, and to the community. Don't let this game you waited to play for so long fall apart because of ridiculous circumstances. Work to better it, build it, and help it flourish.With the proper feedback, maybe content WILL get harder instead of easier. Maybe things like guild banks, more flashpoints, more open world pvp will get better. We can do more for this game working together, than we can fighting all the time with each other.

Don't bring us into this.

qft. But you should really stop trolling their progression thread. Whatever your intention is, you're giving all of us a bad name.

Rift was fantastic at launch, but a much smaller community. I don't think bioware was ready for the *****torm of players they had, and they have failed miserably. @jaxon But don't you wanna be the very best? Like no one ever was?

I'm still rooting for the pandas..

Ours is doing the exact same thing. It probably has something to do with resetting the phase and having that reset certain bosses, imo.

Ahh, I'm an idiot, my mistake. It was more of a general comment. This is dissapointing, the last version was actually difficult enough to require some level of intelligence, and now they are just handing it to to us. Anyone else going on strike

Ugh seriously? I didn't really look to see what they were doing to it, more interested in class buffs and nerfs. I guess I'll be rolling a panda in 12 days....

Grats. However, its interesting to me that everyone is claiming world first this and that on these forums. Pre-launch, there were about 300,000 guilds registered. Of those guild about 32,000 of them had enough people to raid 16 man content. Unless someone is checking every single raiding guild in the game to see their progression, who is to say that someone hasn't cleared before this? I only ask because there are about 3-5 guilds who post on these forums about their progression. So you are telling me there are only 3-5 hardcore raiding guilds in the game? Until an ACP site is out, its pretty irrelevant unless all the raiding guilds agree to use the same site. (speaking of, is anything out on TORprogress yet?) Again, congratulations on the kill. Did they fix anything buggy or was it just a ball nerf? The only thing I was really paying attention to was the fact that force push now refreshes timer on force charge. OP ball carrier inc. I like the screenshots. The guild name looks pretty good.

If you are double jumping shelves, you need to wait. Skipping any pylon will cause the shield to bug. We've tested this theory extensively, and unless its been luck 100% of the time, this seems to be the fix.

And ghraj, annie, and council. We figured we would throw you a bone. Now you can officially say you beat us to that too! Don't say we never did anything for you. We just don't care that much about smashing our competition into the ground (which we did) on first wave content. (kinda like you were saying to Noxx about their kill until you did the same thing )

You're right, we haven't killed anything

Yeah you're delusional. This conversation is over. Clearly you guys are still holding a giant grudge about god knows what, and are now re-writing history for the purpose of... well, I'm not even sure to tell you the truth. I neither cared, nor knew what people in your guild hit 50, because again, I was too busy leveling and not following you around like you have OPW for the last 8 months. I never claimed to be world first 50. All I did was post the time that I hit 50. Again, making a character on my server to "check my level"? Its borderline stalkerish. I understand you guys are upset, but really? Do you not see the obsession here? I try to ignore it but you guys keep bringing up how crazy you are! I haven't watched your stream since beta, sorry man. I didn't downrate your youtube videos. Someone probably realized how bad they were and did it themselves. I suggest fixing the quality of your product, and stop flattering yourself. I could care less about your guilds crappy strats that aren't even the easiest route of completion. As far as misinformation goes, its not. I understand you failed to include that in your strat, or didn't know about it and are embarrased, but it works. Whether or not its bugged for you, who knows. We're here to help build the community, not troll it every time someone has a different opinion than us. I suggest you learn to do the same, or this game you think you are so good at will quickly disappear as fast as it emerged.

Despite what you guys think, I don't follow you around like you follow me. I thought after a while it would get blown over, but I still have people daily coming to my IRC telling me they interviewed with you guys, and all you did was talk about me, we've had to redo our site standards because people like Fipps were trying to poach members from us, you come into our progression threads and troll us. We've done nothing but try to help out, I even showed Cepheid how to put up a proper screenshot of a boss kill so you guys wouldn't be questioned on its validity. When are you going to move on? We're all trying to help the community here, so stop your childish grudges against me and help build the community instead of tear it down.

To all else interested, if you target the pylons as the balls are spawning, you can see who the ball is targetting. This fight, done correctly, only requires 1 tank. If your raid pays attention they can go pop their own balls (at the correct time) and only take 2-3k damage. Just wait until the ball is completely dimmed out to pop it. This way you can put more DPS on the boss, and less time having tanks that aren't needed run in circles around the room pulling balls. This will put you WELL ahead of the enrage timer if done correctly.

I played shadowbane, I wish I had gotten more into EQ. From what I hear it was quite the challenge. Although, I did get a chance to play lineage 2 for a while.

Then you are experiencing something we have not yet. Its quite possible to target the pylon while a ball is spawning inside (sorry if I confused you), and its also accurate. On only one occasion the ball wasn't targetting who it was supposed to be, and that was because that target died as the ball was spawning. I think you may be confused with something else. Or you are doing something wrong. Who knows with all the bugs.

If your raid is competent enough, they can target the pylons and see who the ball is on anyway. We never call out balls or have to taunt them, people just turn their monitors on and can see who its on based off movement mirrors. You can blow them up.

If you can't beat it, it MUST be bugged. Why hasn't someone made this a meme yet? Oh wait, we did!

Its amazing you are talking about killing c'thun, yet if you were really a WoW player back then, you would have known that WoW was actually more buggy than this game, and had about the same amount of content. If you are going to quit after first wave content in a brand new game, good riddance.

Oh man I had to check this before I went to bed again. I can't believe people are still getting upset over this thread. This is fantastic.

If you did so more often, you'd be on the winning side of arguments!