Dude show some spine. Really, are you looking for me to respond with stories about your lack luster performances when I raided with you? And drama about why I decided to quit raiding with your raid group? Seriously, If Deception is your favorite why are you trying to advocate it to be kept in a diminished state? Gonna have to call BS on that too.

You seriously are hilarious ... making a fantasy chart and putting your preferred class as top DPS. You are still refuting my request to revert changes when all it would do is balance in game operations DPS for Infiltration. I honestly don't care what you think past players have done in past configurations of the game. I am talking about how the game could be made better in the present and for the future. I raid a ton and I pvp a ton. I'm in touch with the numbers most peeps are seeing. You are just mostly talking BS and like doing theory math and making charts to make you feel intelligent. Infiltration pre nerf was seeing numbers close to Mando DPS with similar gear and skill. We will not be seeing that now. There is no reason why we should not. Are you going to create some chart or have me look at some numbers and try to tell me why that just can't be?

Really, your not going to discuss anything I talked about but instead try to give us history about the class and then list the abilities and what they do followed by some more opinionated nonsense and then ending with some fancy percentage that you feel comfortable with saying? But you did manage to insult me as well by saying that I'm overreacting. The changes we saw to Infiltration from 4.0 were long overdue in need and I was very happy to see them. I get that you do not play Infiltration exclusively. And maybe you don't mind playing whatever class is doing better in the game, I just don't play that way. I have given serenity a go and it is just not my bag baby. I play Infiltration almost exclusively. I AM one of the best Infiltration Shadows that will ever play this game. So, yes I do feel passionately about this class and the direction it takes. If you don't like it that is on you and if the burden to advocate this class falls on me so be it. FACT 1 - With the 4.0 changes and before the 4.03 patch changes to the Infiltration class it was putting out enough DPS in Operations to be a "contender" with other DPS classes, not over powered but decently average. I'm not talking about some Theory numbers or some dummy parse with a fancy open and some excellent RNG. I'm talking about what you could expect to see in a normal parse during operations with the other DPS classes. FACT 2 - Before the diminishing changes, Infiltration was not topping any of the leader boards for parses in operations. I am asking BW to revert these changes to balance the game as it will make this class playable in progression and nightmare content moving forward. As I still have a desire to do so. Please don't try and tell us your opinions about how DPS classes should be " In order, classes should deal damage at a rough equivalence of: Melee Sustained > Melee Burst ~ Ranged Sustained > Ranged Burst. " or "Deception should not be able to put out more sustained damage than Hatred" and expect us to respect that kind of baloney. All DPS classes should be able to reach comparable numbers within operations, that is what I am advocating.

I have run Infiltration exclusively for the most part and I have experienced the good times and bad. I highly doubt you run current NiM's with Infiltration. And I don't care if you don't like the way you feel about the emotion I put in my communication I am just stating facts about the current state of this situation I don't encourage drama and don't appreciate you accusing me of "doign a bit too much drama on it". I stand by my decision to ask for a call to action for this to be corrected as it will only bring more balance across the game before I conceed to quit playing and unsub if there is no resolution. I agree with your sentiment. BW any comments?

Bottom line ... 4.0 gave us the changes Infiltration/Deception needed for a very long time so we could contribute the DPS that needs to be seen in Operations. The changes with patch 4.0.3 are unacceptable and need to be reverted for this class so we can roll hard in Ops in a real way instead of being corralled into having to play mando / merc classes that are less exciting/challenging like we have been for the past 3 years. When can we expect to see some action to this?

Why would anyone play a class they don't enjoy? No logic there. Yep, I have heard peeps saying dumb things like "Infil should never put out more sustained DPS than balance." I understand that the classes function is not the same. But there is no sound logic behind saying that Infiltration should never be able to put out higher sustained DPS than any class. Why should one class not be able to preform the function it was created for in the game. Infiltration is a DPS spec and should be able to have just as high DPS as any other class in the game the way they continue to diminish this class is because of foolish ideas and statements that it should not be able to preform as well as other classes. Infiltration damage will always be spikey compared to DOT classes where the damage is more even during the fight but as far as saying "Infil should never put out more sustained DPS than balance." It makes me realize the kind of ignorance and bad logic that drives choices to continue to diminish this class and make changes to the game that can ruin the class I enjoy most to play any time it gets close to being a contender in the role it was designed for ... DPS Obviously, parse / theory numbers are not going to be what you see in Operations. Everyone who runs OPS knows that most melee classes are going to have a much more difficult time seeing the numbers near parses that ranged classes see in most fights. . Why are we not making changes based on operation dps numbers? Devs - When will these changes be reverted?

This needs to be reverted. This class was actually able to almost do normal DPS in PVE for awhile. I have been playing this class since beta. Bioware please tell me why you always have to diminish the DPS ability for this class. These changes did not bring any kind of parity or equality they only made sure that this class was no able to contend with other DPS classes. It was nice to almost be able to do as much DPS as a super easy to play Gun Mando for awhile while you were playing a near perfect rotation as a highly skilled melee DPS. Revert these changes and allow highly skilled players that seek to master a class be able to do almost as much decent DPS in PVE as easy to play classes.

Randle are you saying using a 186 OH in PVP instead of Dark Reaver OH with comparable stats allocation will generate higher damage even with lower expertise? Or does this only apply to damage reduction / tanking.

You can use 186 Purples without loosing bolster on 162 148 148 MH/OH ... but it looks like 162 purp 148 blue 148 blue OH with 186 aug at LVL 60 will bolster pretty good but it is not BiS ... Dark Reaver OH with 186 augment is a bit better ... Anyone know of a PVE gear combo that beats Dark Reaver?

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