I did but nobody says anything they know, they just repeat what the read somewhere. A game engine isn't one thing. It's a framework for building games (at least in the form of hero engine and other mmo engines). So why is it bad and why can't be changed?

Care to explaine why?

People really have short memory. Back in 2005 everyone was complaining about the lack of world pvp in wow and that the only option was the occasional tarrn mill - southshore battle. There is no former glory of wow world pvp, even tho I like wow pvp better than the one in swtor

Highest number I see is a 2200 something, op number there. The 2.2ks u see together are on different targets. On the other hand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwLo3st0rqg

It's 2012 but it's a new game, balance is per game not per year. It's a new game, wow didn't even have pvp content at release and not even after 2 months. If people don't give time to new games, we won't have any new decently evolving mmo.

Frost mages have a stun.

BH/Trooper have heavy armor tho. Force speed is 2 secs and if you don't los with it you get stunned / charged / shooted anyway

Player versus armaments

Wow didn't have the pvp honor system at release and it didn't have it for months http://www.wowwiki.com/Timeline_%28World_of_Warcraft%29

I would trade all healing spell on a dps sorc for more burst but I bet people would complain anyway. The problem of this game and all mmo is the community not the game. People on forums just cry about what other classes have. Too me this game seems pretty balanced in pvp, at least more balanced than wow. With every class you have a fair chance 1 vs 1 and have some kind of utility in group. Sorcs/sages may have over the top utilty in group but they don't shine 1 vs 1. In wow you have some classes / specs that dominates 1 vs 1 and in group utility, for example, mages.

Chain lightning isn't spammable, as a hybrid you take lightining storm to be able to take forked lighting, otherwise is useless because you don't cast lighting strike because it sucks. Also chain lighting hits for 3.7k in full champion gear with extra surge mods from double drops. Juggernaut smash hits for 5k+ with some setup. I don't get if people have problems with sorcs in group pvp because they have too much utility or they have problem 1 vs 1. In group pvp it could be true that the hybrid spec have too much utility, but 1 vs 1 sorc are pretty easy for all classes imo, if equally geared. I don't see any class getting completly destroyed by sorcs.

I have both at lvl 16 and can't decide yet Juggernaut should be harder to kill but the marauder have some pretty good defensive cd. If you spec rage, smash hits harder as juggernaut so if you want to play that spec, the choice should be easy.

Well if you leave someone freecasting for an entire wz you deserve to be AOEd down

Ironically, sorcs/sages are weaker in 1 vs 1 and shine in group pvp when the opposing group leave them freecasting. If focused they last way less than other rangeds.

You should all try a sorcerer at 50 to see how overpowered it is. with 0/23/18 it doesn't have burst, no sorcerer spec have burst at least compared to all other classes. In almost full champion gear I crit 3.5k with chain lighting using the surge trinket. Dots tick for nothing unless you go almost full madness that have even less burst. Ok the class have a lot of utility but have no defensive cds, just a shield that last 1 crit. All other classes crits way more often with spells arounf 3/4k. It's a fan class to play, it has a lot of utility but it can do damage only if the other team is retarded and leave it freecasting.

I was in a game with 6/8 mercenaries, so? Many people rolled sorceres for the lighting thing not because they thought they were op. The problem with the class is that people ignore them and just leave them freecasting

The problem is pug, not faction imbalance. One thing is to be outnumbered in world pvp or in warzones, ne thing is to lose 8 vs 8. If you lose a warzone 8 vs 8 it's not a faction problem, it's a group problem. It takes me ours of pugs to win 3 wzs, imperial side and I lose against republic too.

Most people I knew on my server on WoW were there and are still there just for pve. Some of them don't even try to pvp. On pve server many people are like that. While I don't understand them, they are there.

They aren't wow fanboys, they are mindless ragers. If you go on wow forums it's the same, people just complain over and over again on everything.

The pvp reward system will be better next patch, not worse. L2read. Some argument on this forum are valid but get completly destroyed by posts like this.

I think the op point is that one vs one sorc/sage are not that fun to play and any class can outdamage them (still 1 vs 1), which is pretty true. I would trade healing on my sorc for more burst damage, just because I like to play burst classes and I don't care if I did a lot of damage in a wz but only killed ppl already zerged by others. All people who say sorc are op should try one at 50 vs geared non light armor wearing classes.

I was pretty lucky with the bags, I'm rank 45 and need only 3 pieces, but I still think this system sucks. In wow I started pvping in vanilla because I didn't like the randomness of pve loot (and also didn't like to be a script killer pve hero). Wow pvp gave me gear for time invested, even if it took me 3 months of 15 hours playing (and winning because at the time no win meant no rank gain = no gear) to get to Grand Marshal. This system instead, if you are unlucky, gives you almost nothig for time invested because tbh centurion gear sucks and it takes forever to get. Also make bags cost 800 warzone commendation and remove mercenary, they are useless.

I'm using this and I'm pretty happy with it, much easier to self heal and good damage. Only thing I don't like is loosing instant whirlwind. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201GorkZbsMMzMZcMcRs0z.1

They already said they are working on it tho.

There are people hating wow since 2005 and still playing. Unfortunatly these kind of people dwell on forums. I am having fun with the game and at least on my server a lot of people is doing the same, considering on weekends we have warzone running all night.