The OP is asking for equal balance among specs for equality, not because said operation is too difficult. But thanks for clearing that up for us.

I would just like to add, nosmos, I really appreciate all your efforts for us deception/infil players! I have been playing this spec from day 1 and love it! it's because of players like you that we got a buff in the first place, so thank you...

I, too, share your notions on the current state of deception. The recent changes have given us quite the PVE boost as well. For burn phases dps can get as high as 1900-2100 bottoming out at around 1550-1650 sustained depending on the encounter. Overall the frequency of 5k-7k hits are much higher now as well. I run about 715 melée bns dmg and 1000 force with 33%crit and 78% surge. I'll upload sone parses later when I get home.

Don't be discouraged. Infil does fall behind balance with equal skill/gear but not that far behind... They are different roles. One being really great at at sustained and the other being great at burst dps. For certain fights infil can be more effective. Its just the general outlook on the spec by the public that is the problem, like the above post saying they have no place in raids. Tell that to my 1600 dps. Most people are ignorant and put certain specs into stereotypes.

I'm referring to the "raid wide" dmg done screen, not the live dps monitor.

As playing deception/infiltration requires the use of the force cloak mechanic to provide optimal force regen, I thought I'd weigh in on the whole notion that we "suck" in raids. If you are running MOX, Many of you are aware that it only parses while in combat. That being said, when an assassin/shadow uses force cloak they exit combat, therefore resetting the overall dps of that fight. This causes many to believe that they aren't dishing out any dps worth writing home about. That being said, my on target sustained dps potential is around 1550-1650 depending on the boss mechanics. A lot of fights that require any dps offtime while moving or such (and still in combat) brings me lower of course. With cooldowns up during burn phases it's very typical for me to reach 1750-1800 or higher.

Hey man, Andar here! Long time no see. A lot of Hostile Takeover guys have recently come back an we are actually only missing someone of your stature twirling those dual lightsabers around. It seems a bunch of guys are back for good and we're having a blast! We'd love to have you! Hit me up in game on Resilience :-)

You're not doing anything wrong, you just have the stock gear, it seems. Take a look at the Black Hole Striker boots, and start farming those mods and enhancements to put in other pieces. Just seems like you're missing a bit of power and surge you could definitely benefit from. Also try to get the battlemaster or war hero relics with +113 power on those (just a personal preference of mine, some prefer other relics). Yes, they're PvP pieces, but considered by many to be BiS for PvE as well Personally, i only use 171 accuracy, and kinda go over the surge DR a little bit. around 78.5%

OP, pls include your stat makeup from gear, as well as ability priority for maximum force regen. Melée bns: 702 Force: 982 Crit: 33.5% surge: 78% When you parse data from a boss, be sure to factor your total dmg done in the fight against the bosses full HP. I've found infils dps reading to be spiky. (some really beautiful moments with armor debuffs at 1900 dps, and other moments where you have to slow dps by moving around 1400). Regardless, infiltration, when geared appropriately, and also managing force gain through blackout and force cloak, has more than the needed dps for your role in beating the enrage timer. Also factor infiltration is 100% single target damage.

^^this, pretty much! Even pre1.4 ops dummy parses actual raw dps always seem to leave much to be desired, our overall dmg was always among the highest total. (if that makes sense) Pre1.4 I was passing around 1450 on a perfect run, which may seem low compared to 1800-1900 sentinels out there, but I always seemed to get more overall dmg Ina fight.

Hey if you guys need some alone time, the PM system is great here on the forums. I heard it holds an extra 5gigs of rage storage.

Given your gear is still a work in progress. This isn't so bad at all. Right now I'm currently running in full min/maxed BH gear with no set bonus :-( Primary maxed around 1100-1295 (roughly) Melée bonus: 700 Force: 995 Crit: 33% On the ops dummy I'm parsing around 1550-1600 in a 5 minute window. Pre patch I was around 1250-1400 max. Definitely pleased with the changes.

It's the same vendor. Just shift left click the item, or control left click I can't remember which.

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Take a chill pill, and stop refreshing your thread ever 5s. I wasn't trolling just simply stating the fact that if buying armoring/mods/enhancements a la carte would mean a significantly smaller grind for min/maxers.

This! I've been thinking this for a while now. I just Figured they haven't done this because they want to keep the hamster on the wheel...

Is this event still on for this Friday 9/28?

I 100% agree with your ideas. I think they'd maybe breathe some life back into swtor pvp, but in order for this to work they have to: 1. Give end game players a reason to get off their damned fleets already! 2. Remove the needless boundaries on open world keeping factions apart. (i.e exhaustion zones, I did roll on a pvp server after all)

Have you ever seen a group of imperials take the base? Just curious because I've seen those turrets 1 or 2 shot people. I think they're just as powerful as the turrets on ilum.

Bingo! Without heals it is much less efficient

nice damage! I'm also playing full infil . As you can see in our screenshots, there were a lot of heals going on in those matches. Those kind of matches are hard to come by in solo ques .

With the upcoming changes to infiltration/deception, I think i speak on behalf of a good portion of us, I'm excited for the new gameplay mechanics. I thought it would be interesting the monitor the 1.4 changes from a before and after point of view of the players who have enjoyed playing Infiltration/deception at sometime or another. With that in mind, I would like to share with you my gear composition and parse data for pre-1.4 Infiltration Shadow. I will update this thread post 1.4 to share my results from the upcoming changes. Please include your gear makeup and ops dummy parse info (with the length of the parse). My Gear (PVE) -Fully modded Black Hole gear with Campaign Mainhand. Force Tab Melee Tab -------------------------------------- My Gear (PvP) -Fully Modded War Hero Hero , heavily power modded, with a dash of crit. Melee Tab Force Tab Highest damage achieved in a warzone The following 508 second (8 and a half minute) parse was done on the MK-5 Operation dummy in my PVE gear. Parse Data I look forward to seeing data from other players! Resilience (The Fatman) formerly Andar of Belgoth's Beacon

With the upcoming changes to infiltration, I think i speak on behalf of a good portion of us, I'm excited for the new gameplay mechanics. I thought it would be interesting the monitor the 1.4 changes from a before and after point of view of the players who have enjoyed playing Infiltration at sometime or another. With that in mind, I would like to share with you my gear composition and parse data for pre-1.4 Infiltration Shadow. I will update this thread post 1.4 to share my results from the upcoming changes. Please include your gear makeup and ops dummy parse info (with the length of the parse). My Gear (PVE) -Fully modded Black Hole gear with Campaign Mainhand. Force Tab Melee Tab -------------------------------------- My Gear (PvP) -Fully Modded War Hero Hero , heavily power modded, with a dash of crit. Melee Tab Force Tab Highest damage achieved in a warzone The following 508 second (8 and a half minute) parse was done on the MK-5 Operation dummy in my PVE gear. Parse Data I look forward to seeing data from other players! Resilience (The Fatman) formerly Andar of Belgoth's Beacon

Honesly, you're in the wrong spec for a constant flow of big big numbers. Don't get me wrong, with your itemization you could technically get a 5k crit on a light or medium armor wearer with force in balance or spinning strike, or shadow strike, but it may not register as biggest hit because the person was closer to death than the 5k hit. Most of the cases those hits land, I've found the opponent is probably a little under geared. With the 2/31/8 spec you will definitely see those numbers more often, and on geared opponents as well. It's just the tradeoff of the utility of your current spec isn't worth it to most to just fill a burst role(infiltration). It's still fun though :-) Getting a 4.xk plus 2k upheaval followed by a 5k breach and a 4-5k SS is always welcome

Dweezil from Intrepid?!