Put unremitting and Protector in the Defense tree and problem solved.

I don't see why people think having a tool that gauges your threat output is easy mode. It just makes it better to see how much room dps have. There is a half-moon bar on your portrait where you could easily put a threat meter there. Have it be full of red if you have aggro, and have it at orange and building up if you're a dps. You don't need a threat meter with numbers per say, but one that shows how much room you have would be nice. It's not easy mode it's just knowledge that would be nice to know. Tanks who don't want a threat meter are just terrible players who don't want to see how terrible they really are. You can throw anything you want at me, but the truth is... I've tanked in EQ, EQ2, LotR, Beta WoW->Cataclysm (was even a Main Tank for a top 100 US guild), and this game. Stop talking about how it makes the game better when it doesn't. /facepalm.

Don't mean to be the bearer of bad news, but uh... Maybe this is a user error.

Very helpful thread! Keep it going! ^.^

/signed Also, please add target of target ffs.

I honestly, legitimately, and fully believe that add ons are not just for people who are too dumb to play the game. All this negativity towards addon are bull crap. You nay-sayers are basically saying that addons will ruin the game and have ruined past games? Since people are often comparing WoW in this argument for this let me tell you a few things people are forgetting to mention... Vanilla WoW had 40 mans, to raid 40 mans you had to have at least 5-6 people shouting things out and calling switches/movement/tank swaps/etc- they were your boss mods. When BC came out Blizzard decided that this wasn't needed and cut down raids to 25 man size. Since we couldn't actually have people call things out as much anymore, DBM was invented. I understand that people SHOULD know to move out of things themselves and I wholeheartedly agree. However, I've always used DBM more as a tool to track boss casts/cool downs/buffs/debuffs, and have used them to time things. They make things a lot more convinient, they don't make you lazy, they make you perform better by providing the knowledge that you wish to see come at you. As a tank playing SWTOR I can't even begin to tell you how annoying some of the basic UI features are... FOR ONE, WHY CAN'T I SEE A TARGET OF TARGET? On top of that, people saying that there should be no kind of meters are people who have just been heckled for either not performing to their peak or being lazy themselves. What's the point of playing a GAME if you can't be COMPETITIVE? Meters help us understand what we can do to better ourselves, and help make PvE environments more fun by providing friendly competition. If I didn't see a threat meter in WoW while I tanked I would've died of boredom. Threat meters will help us to achieve the knowledge needed to understand our classes to the best of their ability. If you don't like friendly competition or find yourselves surrounded by people who are meter whores and ******es then you don't HAVE to play with those people. Just because you guys hate addons doesn't mean you have to use them. Another thing that's real real real real real real real REAL annoying is that you can't make any macros. I would love to make some /target macros or ability bind macros to save from the clutter of having every ability known to man on my action bars. Furthermore, I think it's absolutely stupid that there isn't an in-game option to disable everybody else's buffs but mine. I think it actually takes away from game play if I have to stare and squint down at the bottom corner to keep track of my own debuffs to make sure they're still applied properly. Before you say that I need glasses or a bigger monitor, let me enlighten you... I have perfect 20/20 vision (any opthamologist will tell you so) and I play on a 23.6 inch monitor, and I still have a hard time keeping track of my buffs on a target in an operations group. If you dare say that I need to be smarter to keep track of my buffs or that it's that way because it makes the game harder, then have fun staring at buffs all damn day if you're a proc class while doing operations. I'd rather glance down every now and then to make sure things are buffing/debuffing properly. I find that I have the most fun when I min/max my characters. A lot of other people do as well. You try to say that there are addons that tell you what builds yields the most dps? I've never seen any mod like that nor have I heard of one. Nay sayers should do some research before taking something out of context. I, for one, embrace addons that I feel are necessary. Flame me all you want, but all I've seen so far are meager *** rants and snide comments about addons making you dumber. If you believe that then maybe you should go live somewhere without technology because you're basically saying anything that makes our lives a bit easier and gives us an edge is bad. If you think it takes a moron to operate addons, I think you should try and take the time to fully configure pitbull/grid. Making UI layouts is a work of art that people take pride on. Don't take that away from us. TL;DR - Addons are good. People who don't want to use them don't have to, but don't insult peoples' intelligence who use them.

This. If people don't like addons, don't use them. As a tank I hate not seeing a target of target, I hate not seeing if I fully have aggro, and I hate seeing everyone else's buffs. Addons have been in games long before WoW, they only popularized them. Addons make things a lot more user friendly.