you obviously have no idea what a troll is

You guys use shields right? I've seen some people not using them but that seems stupid

Oh wow I'm retarded, never even noticed the fact that slow time gives harnessed shadow procs lol. Thanks.

that's lame

Again, shadows/assassins do everything you guys do but better. Scoundrels/ops need an overhaul because as they are right now, no one in their right mind would take one to a rated warzone if they're serious about pvp.

No, everyone swarming to one introduction thread for seemingly no reason is weird. Especially considering most introduction threads don't go past 2 pages unless the person introducing themselves is a girl.

weird

why THIS thread though?

Trying to decide between these two builds - http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#601rsMokrskrsZZf0cM.1 or http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#601McMskrskfZZf0cRb.1 Is slow time actually worth getting in pvp?

Infiltration sucks

holy **** why does this have 93 pages?

Lol what utility? Scoundrels/ops have the least utility out of any class Literally anything a scoundrel can do, a shadow can do better. Shadow/assassin: Grapple, 2 sec knockdown (out of stealth if you're kinetic, which you should be anyway), 5 second stun, good damage, good survivability, guard, taunts, stealth, sprint, and a knockback Scoundrel/op: Stealth, decent damage, mediocre healing You'd have to be crazy to still be playing an op/scoundrel at this point if you're serious about pvping.

I'm noticing this a lot lately, even in BGs (no I'm not stupid, I know scoundrels/shadows/sents can vanish)

Tactics seems like it'd be the best pvp tree for vanguards but it's really mediocre

Pre-nerf scoundrels were ridiculously OP

Doubtful considering you were the most OP class at launch, will be a long time before you get your turn again

This. Scoundrels are the worst healers in the game and everything a dps scoundrel can do, an assassin/shadow can do much better.

Sorc/sage healers are probably the best overall but commando/mercenary healers are pretty good too. Scoundrel/operative healers are probably the worst overall.

Uh first of all they can guard, taunt, AoE taunt, force pull, have a 5 second stun and 2 second knockdown, sprint, and they can stealth on the goal line. So what can scoundrels do? Mediocre heals that are in no way comparable to guard, stun people, stealth on the goal line. Why are you playing a scoundrel again? Edit: Oh yeah assassins/shadows also have a knockback lawl.

Assassin/shadows can do everything operatives/scoundrels can do but better.

That's what you get for rolling an imp Voidstar is a horribly designed cluster****. Who's idea was it to clone the worst and least popular WoW BG? Who's idea was it to add a 40 second speeder for defenders so whoever starts as attacker wins? Huttball is literally the only reason for PvPers to play this game over WoW.

you're annoying

Uh no, both my male sage and male shadow had full orange gear by at least 22ish (aside from bracers/belt obviously). unless you buy all the mods from the AH or you can craft them, you won't be able to fill all the slots at lvl10 anyway.

Vanilla wasn't hard or epic at all, go play on a vanilla server for a while and that nostalgia will go away real quick. Bosses had pretty much no mechanics and when they actually did, the mechanics were horrible (like only being able to kill the slime boss by using frost damage). 40 man raids were only difficult because it's hard to get 40 people to stop playing with their ***** long enough to kill a boss. Vanilla was just tedious and actually getting gear was *********** annoying, that's why it felt like you achieved something. You shouldn't have to do something tedious and ****** in a video game just to feel accomplished, that entirely negates the purpose of video games.

Uh no, I have a lvl50 vanguard and I don't have even half the survivability that I have on my shadow. I also only have 1 stun compared to my shadow's 2 second knock down/ranged 5 second stun. Vanguards are also a melee-mid range class, not a ranged class. Shadows have the same exact utility as vanguards (guard, taunts, grapples, etc) but they have higher damage, better mitigation, and better overall survivability. I'm hard as **** to kill in warzones and even if people do gang up on me and start to kill me, lol vanish peace kids.