Bump for great justice?

I played a mage in WoW so targeted AoE's are nothing new to me. However, those sorts of moves were easy and made sense on a ranged character where you could see everything and didn't have to move that often. Just imagine casting Flamestrike in melee every 15 seconds. It would be really annoying. Maybe I'm just more rhythmically focused than most people, but on caster classes your moves seem more staccato due to the cast times, so stopping to position and cast an AoE didn't seem off beat. However, Melee classes have always felt more legato for me. They need to flow seamlessly from move to move as you constantly dance around the battlefield, avoiding AoE and what not. So to answer your question, DF feels "jarring" because it is a large staccato moment in the middle of an otherwise legato playstyle. I use my mouse to move and position mostly, so when I need to target an AoE with it I feel like I lose some control over my motion, like missing a step in a dance. That's what I mean by "jarring" Edit: you not doing the research isn't a reason for it to be a heavy melee class. - Invitcted In response to that statement, I was originally intending to play this class as a tank, but ended up switching to dps at around lvl 40 because a good friend of mine wanted to play a jug tank. And I actually LIKE melee caster spell sword types. My favorite class in WoW was a Death Knight for that very reason, and I love making tanky mages in the elderscrolls games who carry around giant swords : ) That said, the problem I have with both Madness and deception is, ironically, that they are too polar. Deception is almost all melee focused with very few spells and madness is all spells with, lets be honest, very little melee. My favorite dps spec so far was the old deception / madness hybrind that speced for both induction and raze. That was PERFECT in my opinion, a beautiful melding of spell and sword. DF was a part of that, but it didn't feel like there was no reason to be in melee due to the strong synergy between induction, raze, and unearthed knowledge.

In my experience it has been a really awkward transition. Deception has a certain fluidity to it that madness just... lacks. Again, it's mostly the fact that casting DF every 15 seconds is really F***ing jarring. Honestly it's just depressing. All the reasons it's powerful are the same reasons ranged is a bit better than melee. I feel really dumb when I can get almost all of my core dps moves off without even being in melee range. I feel like I walk up to the boss to thrash and hit maul procs almost as an afterthought. tldr I wish we had a viable saber attack based dps spec. If I wanted to roll a ranged caster I would have chosen the sorc back at lvl 10.

The title says it all. It has come to my attention that deception spec is very inferior for pve dps compared to madness due to a number of things, specifically: " Deception is lower dps for a multitude of reasons; Dots give you more sustained damage between your burst phases, madness has better regen, madness copes with movement (and the multitude of terribly coded boss centered aoes) better and math (on SW) suggests that it does more damage ins a knock down drag out patchwerk fight. " - Invitcted (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=288841) That said, I would like to start an official brainstorming thread on what you, the community, think Bioware should do to address these weakness mentioned above. Go ahead! Be creative! I'm excited to see what people will come up with. For example, we could address the regen problem problem by tweaking the internal cooldown of saber conduit, say drop it to 5 seconds instead of ten. Or for fights in which we have to run out a lot, we could add a internal/ tech resistance debuff from one of our strikes, ensuring that even if we aren't able to do damage our raid is at least getting a nice debuff. Just some ideas to get the ball rolling.

or rather, what sankalp said was encouraging

Well that's encouraging. I really hate the feel of Madness dps, mostly due to how clunky DF is.

Damn. Any other opinions?

So everyone keeps saying that deception is the lowest dps spec of the two, being out shined by madness in flash points and Ops. Why do people say this? Where is the data coming form? People keep referencing Sithwarrior.com, but I can't seem to find any direct comparisons between the two specs, or any coherent compilation of mathz. What do? Is there any place that directly compares the two specs? If so, can someone link the article? Thanks a ton!

OP, you are being really rude guy. I mean come on, what's with all the "Next" bull crap? You sound Juvenile.