Yes, we get some more goodies that the F2P players don't. However, it's not really the point here. As you said, we get discounts, and yes they might be cheaper and yes we get a small pile of coins included every month, but we are still required to purchase the items we want. This sure feels like F2P elements to me.

Apology accepted Well I agree that in the beginning it was not perfect, or close to it. But every single MMO is like that in the beginning, with very few exceptions. The stories were still solid however, and I had a very good time playing the game from the beginning. What's important in a game like this is not just how it is in the beginning, but how it evolves from there. My reason for this thread is to indicate that I am worried about the direction it's headed in. I agree to this, they have luckily avoided those elements so far. Level 7 ship modules for four of my characters Could be, which is my point: why am I limited in content when I'm already paying? That's very understandable. But I return to my original point: I'm already paying, so they're not giving it to me for free. I agree to this as well. I prepaid for Makeb, and the price was for once quite reasonable. It would be more nice if they included the expansion for the subscribers of course, but I can see that the expansion had quite a lot of development time behind it.

To have it all is a little bit exaggerated I think, I get 600 CC per month but I already spent it on other cosmetic things I liked. Which is the point, why should I be limited in my choices in a game I'm actively paying for? I just don't like being treated as a F2P player when I'm an active subscriber. I don't want to have limits on my choices, especially when the only option to avoid those limits are by paying more money. I believe the basic problem here is to find a good balance between subscribers and F2P players. It is evidently very difficult, but we can only hope they listen to us so they can improve the game experience for the better.

But I do like them, and I am already paying, why should I pay again? Since I am a subscriber (and will have that status for another 88 days), I would like to have something more in return for it. Like it is now I feel like I'm just sponsoring the F2P-crowd, and still have to pay for extra content, cosmetic or not. Since it is "just cosmetic", why can't I "just have it" as a subscriber with the money I'm paying?

I suppose the MMO market is quite saturated, and it's getting harder and harder to make money from it. Especially when the cost of developing the game are as high as they are. To even have a chance to develop games of this scale you need the backing of the biggest corporations, and they want a return on their investment fast. That can lead to desperate maneuvers, and micro transactions are still considered (by the corporations) to be a fat enough cash cow. I just don't think it will last very long... and when the money from those markets starts ebbing out the corporations are more likely to shut down their support and withdraw their licenses than keeping the game on life support. Better to fund a new project that will generate big cash for a short while, than to get little amounts of money from a longer term project.

Actually I wrote my original post yesterday, and waited until today to actually post it, after moderating it a bit. I also tried to state that I'm not really yelling out in frustration, but I do want the devs to hear my opinion, and by using the forums to this purpuse, other people might join in on the debate. I do disagree that these posts are pointless though, I write in the public forums not only to make the devs see the activity, but also to gather impressions from other players such as yourself. Who knows, maybe I'm missing something important in my reasoning, what better way to get a better picture of the situation than to hear from others? That being said, I'm not quitting the game yet. I still have 88 days as a subscriber that I intend to utilize. After that I'll probably continue for a while as a preferred player, and who knows, maybe I'll resubscribe at that point? I really do like the game, I just don't like the signs I'm seeing.

Quite probably I'm not here to yell out my frustrations, I would much rather have a debate going with the devs on how to improve the playing experience. Sure, I am a bit unhappy of the situation, so I seek the forums to indicate that. But if we don't voice our concerns, how would the devs know about how we feel? And I believe using our money is the best way to make EA/BioWare feel our opinions.

Not really, I still like the game, but I don't think I'm getting the moneys worth from my subscription plan. Why pay twice for features when you can just go free to play and pay once? Sure, you get some other neat options from being a subscriber, but I just don't feel it's enough.

They don't force you, that is true. But they don't give you the new features unless you pay more either. I already pay for the game, why can't I play as a Cathar with those money? And yes, I know I get 600 CC per month, which somewhat helps, but if you absolutely have to pay, I would at least like to have the option to pay with credits I made in the game instead. That way the features would be available to loyal players who have spent a lot of time in the game and built up a nice bank account.

Yeah, I will continue to play for the remainder of my 88 days, and maybe even further as a preferred player. I am not really angry at BioWare or EA for these changes, I just feel uncomfortable with the trends I'm seeing. It makes me wonder what their next step will be. In any case I would be happy to resubscribe if I just could get the feeling that my subscription money gave something more in return. I mentioned in another thread on Facebook that I would even be happy to pay a bigger monthly fee if I could just get the full experience without paying per transaction in the cartel market.

First of all, let me say that I did not do this just because I was angry at the new 2.1 update, in a rage-quit kind of way. Sure, I wasn’t happy, but that’s not the real reason. I’m not posting here just to vent my frustration. What I see are signs of a very worrying trend in this game, and hopefully if enough of us start voicing our opinions, and voting with our money (or, withdrawal of them), the devs can be made more aware on the real situation. I have been a subscriber since day one, with the Collectors Edition. Every six months I have been happily paying my subscription fee (a bit under $100 converted from my local currency), and have enjoyed the game for quite a while. Everything was very nice in the beginning. Then after a while SWTOR went F2P. That’s always a bad sign, it means that there are not enough paying customers to support the game. No matter what the devs say, the ONLY reason you’d go for a move like that is that you are not making enough money on your existing customer base. Every single reason they present besides this is just pretty excuses to make it sound less bad. If they believed in F2P they would have implemented it from the start. With the F2P option came the Cartel Market. Luckily, they avoided the worst P2W traps, and mostly had cosmetic items in the store. Whatever was in there was basically luxury items that was nice to have but not necessary to play the game. In addition to that it had purchasable packs that would make F2P players have an easier time in the game. Some people have claimed this has P2W-elements, but I see it more as B2P, as you basically support the game a bit to play it better. And now, with update 2.1, you have a new race, and the option to modify your appearance. Cool enough, except that you have to pay with money, REAL money, to actually use it. F2P players I can understand having to pay for this, but us subscribers? Come on, we already give you a sum every month In addition to that, what’s with the gamble system? Even if I thought it would be ok to use real money for something I’m already paying for, I would sure as hell not spend real money on a gamble to MAYBE get something I’m looking for. I’m looking at you dyes! Now, even all this set aside, here’s what worrying me: they are clearly trying to milk this game as much as possible while it lasts. I would love to be proven wrong on this one, but I think the game is slowly dying. These moves point to an act of desperation. EA is also simply to uninterested in rescuing this sinking ship, maybe because they have other plans for a new SW-based MMO with their new license they got from Disney. So why should I invest more of my time and money into something that might not survive for long? So, please, BioWare and/or EA... I cancelled my subscription today, but it’s still active for 88 more days. If you listen to your customers and start treating us better, I would be more than happy to reactivate it before it runs out. But please PLEASE start listening to us, and especially those of us that have been loyal and paying you up until now. We have money, and we are willing to give it to you for a good gaming experience in return, but at least appreciate the money you already get from us. Taking it and then trying to grab more from us is just rude. Treat us better. Your game is actually quite good, and I would really love to see it continue for many years still.

Sounds exactly like what me and the wife are looking for, I'll look one of you up later if there's still room