[Sith warrior story fail, Malavai Quinn]

While all that may make sense, it is a complete rationalization. The metagame reason already discussed - people would have remorse over killing him and whine about it later, is the reason you can't kill him. Not some page long calculation of pros and cons going on in your character's head that they just didn't show us.

 

I thought this was the subforum for the Lore and Story discussion? I guess it's the subforum for General Discussion?

[Sith warrior story fail, Malavai Quinn]

I'm not even trying to hold my breath for it in light of that interview posted earlier. No use getting my hopes up only to be dissapointed.

 

Which is why you focus more on it being an RP aspect of the storyline. Not something that will actually happen.

[So when we get to kill Satele Shan?]

Sorry, Imperials. The Republic's Malgus analog is already dead, which is why there isn't a FP to kill him.

 

Malgus killed him in the first cinematic, "Deceived".

 

Go look at the front page, of this site, or the front of the box, or most of the online ads.

 

The Jedi poster child is not Satele Shan. It's Ven Zallow.

 

So, barring time travel, cloning, or "He was only mostly dead" plots, players will never get to kill the Republic's version of Malgus.

 

I can settle for third best.

 

Second best being Jaece (Jace?).

[So when we get to kill Satele Shan?]

Easily? No, three of my homies had to knock him down a pit to get him to stop hitting me. And as you said: he's not dead.

 

When I say 'easily' I more mean in the fact it was just a group of four that took him down... admittedly with a space station helping as well. Considering he was an iconic figure for -this- game (unlike Revan's iconic image of KOTOR). That he was defeated, and I'm chalking that up to being almost as bad as killed, so early on the game is a bit disheartening.

 

Yes, he does have room to return... but I'd have at least liked to have gone toe-to-toe with Satele Shan as well, even if she performs the miraculous escape at the last second.

[Mace Windu (and the Jedi order) made Darth Vader]

If someone was waving a lightsaber at my poor grandma or grandpa I'd cut even Sam Jackson's hand off.

 

I'd wonder why the man Samuel L. is waving a lightsaber at just aged 50 years first...

[The Jedi Knight questions]

It's basically the SW equivalent for the Republic in story quality.

[Why did Yoda and Obiwan hide?]

As much as I agree that it doesn't make sense, the "real" answer in GL's head is probably that Yoda could see the various futures their actions could create, and knew the "right" one (which just happened to lead them into episodes IV-VI). And probably something about how it had to unfold that way to "bring balance to the Force."

 

There was another thread on what bringing balance to the Force meant. I always suspected it was Vader's turning back to the light side by killing Sidious that caused the balance to be returned, but that we never got to see the results for the Force. Maybe its power was going to increase again in episodes VII-IX (which GL now says he never really planned to do, but we know back in the day he said he would).

 

This is pretty damn close, actually. A while ago I was noticing hugely glaring plot holes in quite a few movies/books/etc.

 

So I decided to see if I could look up reasons why, and to put it simply Yoda had a vision of the future and that he wasn't supposed to defeat the Emperor now... even though he could have defeated Sidious, it mentioned him being one of the few who could defeat Sidious in a straight up fight IIRC.

 

So basically, Yoda could have killed Sidious. Anakin would have died on Mustafar. The surviving Jedi could congregate and replenish their numbers. No immediate threats from the Sith, only have to worry about an army of killer clones who have lost their immediate forms of direction...

 

Heck, probably could have even exposed Palpatine as a Sith Lord and gotten the Jedi Order cleared of all that hate...

 

But instead, plot hole happens and Yoda goes to Dagobah. He allows the entirety of the galaxy to be plunged into totalitarian rule and a living hell for pretty much everyone not directly working in the Imperial Military.

[So when we get to kill Satele Shan?]

Satele Shan is more important then Malgus.

 

seriously Malgus plays exactly no part in the storyline beyond the set up for his betrayal. Satele shan meanwhile is in a very clear leadership position.

 

sides it seems to be obvious to me that BW is setting up the empire to become fractured and infighting focused, they NEED to remove the stablizeing individuals in the empire for act 4 to begin

 

You count Malgus as a stabilizing individual?

[So when we get to kill Satele Shan?]

I'm loving this. Apparently a few people here are butt hurt because Shan took five minutes of spotlight away from Malgus in one of the three cinematics he was featured in. Cinematics, I like to add, that show-off how incredibly unmatched he is in lightsaber combat. I mean, **** man, in Return apparently all he needed to muster up the strength to be able to swat away ship debris and knock lightsabers out of people's hands was for his Master Vindican to get the **** out the way.

 

Despite Shan's feat of strength in Hope, Malgus still manages to look far more threatening then she does afterwards by withstanding a tremendous amount of force before being punch through a mountain. Through. A. Mountain. And what cruel, twisted deformity he has to indure after this? A respirator. No, not a wheelchair, a respirator.

 

So ya, Shan's clearly the OP, unrealistic one of the two.

 

It's probably the fact that Malgus was so powerful, that he was defeated (not killed) quite easily and early. Whereas Shan has so far survived and never even been encountered in a boss fight by the Empire... yes I get to mock her during Black Talon, but it isn't satisfying!

[S.W.T.O.R movie.]

It's possible but I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. I'd say at least not until after the Clone Wars cartoon is finished, and maybe a couple of years after that.

 

I wouldn't want a live action movie though, just cgi please. Technology has advanced enough so we can have more artistic freedom. I know muppets and hand puppets are cool, but ToR is really a thing for us gaming nerds.

 

... Why can't it be live action?

 

... I... I'm sure that they used CGI with live action in episodes 1-3...

[Sith warrior story fail, Malavai Quinn]

Is he suicidal? Why in the world would anyone attemp something like that?

 

He's a 'Duty before death' type of person. Basically, he'll put himself before the firing squad to save someone if duty and loyalty demand it.

I just doubt anyone would have ANY hope of not dying a horrible death after trying to kill a Sith and failing.

He could have just openly admitted that Baras sent him to kill the PC, but he is not going to do that, that he is sorry and hope for mercy. Because in this case he deserves more mercy, at least he was honest.

Now Quinn did tell my character that he really doesn't want to kill him, but has to. Because Baras. Is he really that conscientious? In that case.. poor unfortunate soul =(

 

As it's said in the codex, Quinn is notorious for his sense of duty to higher ups. Baras was a major part in Quinn's advancement and military life, he had a sense of duty to Baras and needed to reconcile this sense of duty and honor with the fact he has become more bound to the Wrath over the course of the storyline.

 

So, he will more than likely do whatever he can to help our character until the Wrath eventually decides Quinn is now a resource that has dried up.

[Why does Sorcerer/Sage have a Sizzle Stick?]

Again, the game's class system is messed up in classifying characters.

 

Maul could use force lightening, but so could three quarters of the Knights/Warriors in the EU. He practiced stealth when it suited him, but push came to shove, he preferred to attack his targets head on. Hell, the very ability inquisitors use to channel their rage and regenerate is based so thoroughly on Maul that it even uses his face as an icon.

 

I'm saying Maul wasn't an assassin, but more because no one was. And no one was a Knight, and no one was a Warrior as we know them. All Jedi were a little different in their paths, and so were all Sith. It's only because this has to be an MMO that we have people who can Force Choke but can't Force Push, or people who know how to use Force Lightening but not Force Jump.

 

Maul was an Assassin. He was described as an Assassin.

 

Obi-wan was a Guardian. We know this from his fighting style.

 

Yoda was a Sage. We know this from his mastery of the Force and use of it over his lightsaber.

 

Yes, it can be argued they span multiple classes, but there is one class that each fits into more snugly and fully.

[Why does Sorcerer/Sage have a Sizzle Stick?]

Yeah, especially in terms of the Jedi/Sith in this game, the class system is a joke. Darth Maul was if anything a marauder, nor an assassin. He wasn't stealthy, he wasn't a master of the mystical force, he was an angry, angry warrior. He used Ataru form and a double sided lightsaber because both were powerful, unsubtle ways to push his attack and allow him to kill quickly.

 

As for Yoda, he defies categorization. Super powerful with the force, but an amazing swordsman.

 

Actually, Maul could use Force Lightning, was immune to Force Lightning to a degree, and was rather stealthy. If he was an 'angry, angry warrior' he wouldn't have been stealthily hunting down his targets, he would have been carving apart anything and everything he came across and would have been pinpointed in under three minutes.

 

OT:

 

I hate having my saber drawn for Force Lightning, as said, it looks completely awkward. I guess the Devs wanted it to look like more than just a stat-stick... but at the end of the day it's still just a stat-stick, just one that makes an animation look hideous.

[Misogny in the Old Republic. (Minor spoilers)]

So, you think a female character should be sexually repressed and unwilling to have sex ever?

 

-Now- who's being misogynistic?

 

 

There are multiple levels of misogyny that are present in writing, in life. You've displayed an excellent vision of misogyny that is rarely called upon, and that is the use of defending it but offering up an incorrect view on top of that. A strong female character doesn't have to be independent, never giving into flirts, etc. That is seen as an ideal vision by many claiming for strong characters, but that's really only one example. Going to break it down to show you why.

 

Vette: I haven't seen dialogue with her if the collar is left on, but without the collar her dialogue has been interesting. She knows your character is a Sith Lord, and yet she continues with the witticism, sarcastic remarks, etc. She's challenging your Sith, even though while playfully, as if she doesn't care that she could get Force Choked for no reason.

 

So we have a female character who is witty, sarcastic, young (I think she's only... 18?), unafraid to challenge authority and unafraid of the outcome. But she's weak because she's a slave? Then the Sith Inquisitor is weak for being a former slave! Khem Val is weak because he refers to himself repeatedly as a slave! And I think we can all agree Khem Val is by no means 'weak'.

 

Thana Vesh: I'm not really sure where you stood with her... but suffice to say, her incompetence wasn't because she's a woman. Her Master even explains that it had to do with the fact she was too headstrong and willful. To put it simply, she was very powerful but she overestimated her power.

 

She was captured and defeated so many times for the sheer fact she believed she could do things she wasn't ready to do. But hell, it shows a level of skill on her part for the fact she managed to escape her cell after I left her there in a 'time-out'.

 

Jaesa: So a woman isn't allowed to have sexual appetites that have her experiencing new feelings and forms of pleasure she had been formerly not been allowed to experience? She can't be willing to serve her Master faithfully by actually caring about their well being and knowing that it is more important for them to live than her? By the time we're on Voss, Jaesa realizes that she is second fiddle to the Wrath. She knows that she is important to the Wrath for her power, but that overall it is the Wrath who is the most important person amongst the group.

 

So she gives of herself willingly to allow the Wrath to live longer, naturally, to fulfill the more important duties in the galaxy.

 

Lachriss: It's comments from -players-. That's an argument killer there.

[Sith warrior story fail, Malavai Quinn]

Okay you are taking things out of context. First he betrayed you, and he used those droids because he fully know your tactics/weaknesses so he programmed those droids to destroy you.

 

And i don't see a weakling like Quinn a valuable resource. More like a thorn in my eye, definitely after what he pulled off.

 

*Sigh* No, no... no just, you're wrong. Think about it, THINK HARD ON THIS. Quinn has seen everything we've killed in all our variety of ways. Deception, brutality, ruthlessness, etc. He's been there, according to him, and seen all that we've done and accomplished. I don't think a brain-dead gungan would be able to claim that -two droids and an officer- would be able to take down our character.

 

The fact he goes through with that foolish plan speaks volumes of actual loyalty, you just have to read between the lines and see it. As another poster pointed out as well, having Jaesa with you indicates she feels nothing but confidence emanating from Quinn. But confidence in -what?- It's never explained why he feels confident, he could have felt confident the droids would fail in their task.

 

Putting on the grand show to reconcile with his own senses of loyalty and honor and duty.

 

Agreed, not only did he have the gall to turn against me (and through me the EMPEROR of the SITH EMPIRE) after all I did for him - the incompetent idiot decided he was smarter then me! I was left open-mouthed as I saw this traitor to the Sith Empire show his true colors. It didn't make any sense! Him above ALL people should have known that he couldn't have defeated me, especially in a fair fight like this!

 

My character has crushed people for smaller blunders then this. Which ultimately leads me to believe that:

 

A) The writer wants you to think that Quinn is indeed an incompetent fool who likes to make other people believe otherwise, or:

 

B) BioWare forgot to change this mission around to make more sense in the current state of the game (in which we can't kill any of our companions.)

 

Just my thoughts on the matter.

 

Or:

 

C) Quinn is in fact smart enough to realize that him siding with Baras is putting him on the losing side. So he gives a token show of betrayal and then has a free enough conscience to remain an ally of the Warrior, fully expecting a death at the Warrior's hands at some point in the future when his usefulness has run out.

 

So refraining from namecalling makes one a "horrible" Sith? Yeah, ok pal.

 

Yep!

 

But in seriousness, I didn't -just- quote the part about namecalling. Go back and reread your entire post and think about what my post would be in reference to in your post.

[Is Yoda a jedi consular or jedi knight?]

I was thinking about this and it seems that most jedi/sith can be sorted easliy. I'm gonna so a consular but i was just interested in hearing a response.

 

He was a Consular. He was skilled in lightsaber combat, IIRC, but he was very strong in the Force.

[just how powerful is Malgus?]

As powerful as the story needs him to be.

 

Oh, you!

[just how powerful is Malgus?]

I give that a pass because she was still a young Jedi at the time, on Alderaan she was alot stronger in the force. They are roughly equals.

 

Dammit Bioware why did you not give us the choice to side with him!!!!

 

They aren't equal. Satele was going to lose if it wasn't for Jace (Jaece?) tackling Malgus and detonating a grenade in his face.

[So when we get to kill Satele Shan?]

I hope he comes back...and this time we have the choice to help him!!!!! *grumbles*

 

Only if it's an epic cutscene when he shows up, in front of the Emperor and asks for those who will fight for the Empire to join him...

 

That way my Warrior can walk towards him and stand by his side against Vitiate.

[So when we get to kill Satele Shan?]

2. You wont ever get to kill Satele she is still stronger than all of us.

 

I highly doubt that...

 

As has been said, she was losing in a one on one with Malgus in two of the three cinematics. It took the intervention of her Master, who I would say would present a true challenge in a battle, and then the intervention of Jace to save her.

 

Considering we do defeat Malgus, whether or not he's dead, as a 4 man group. I would believe that a 4 man group could easily overcome Satele.

 

empire side does in fact kill revan.

 

No, we don't. At the end

 

 

Revan shields himself and vanishes.

 

[Sith warrior story fail, Malavai Quinn]

For all your dramatic facepalming and droning on, you're not adding anything to your argument save for more opinion, of which there is already plenty. Personally, I disagree with you, but I'm not going to call you names about it.

 

Then, no offense, you'd be a horrible Sith.

[So is there any way to see my given Darth name?]

No idea what you are talking about. What's a "Darth name"? Do you mean Legacy name?

 

'Darth Names' are basically the title a Sith can adopt on their ascension to Darth.

 

For example, Dooku's 'Darth Name' was Darth Tyrannus. It basically offers a layer of security.

[What does the Empire hope to achieve?]

Huh, I read that and it -didn't- give me who started what. Ah well.

 

And the Jedi did hunt the Sith down after the razing of Korriban. Questline on Voss proves it.

 

(Two different responses for two different posts. Too lazy to quote.)

[What does the Empire hope to achieve?]

Something I think is solely missing are Sith who follow the path of Light, but are still Sith. In other words they fuel the Force with emotion-just not hate, fear, or anger.

 

They're hunted down and killed.

[So when we get to kill Satele Shan?]

The empire killed Revan, thats more than enough for the republic to kill off every imp.

 

No we didn't.