Yep slight oversight there put them in payback now. Am using it atm is really nice with unstoppable i found that if i jump into a grp in pvp and try and land a choke now i dont get stopped before i get the full tick so i end up landing bigger smashes more frequently plus i have the rage to keep going.

Hey guys been playing about with specs a bit played full rage which is awesome but found myself a little rage starved so messed about a bit and came up with this. Seems to work nicely sacking off force crush was a bit of a pain but i have far more rage to play with just wondered what you think. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101ZI0roMZGr0rdrMdh.1

Hey guys am playing a jugg tank to and have experienced a lot of these problems. Personally i think the only solution is to make all or most of the jugg ability's generate threat it wouldn't effect anything else in the game other than pve once you pick jugg as your advance class threat gets added to you ability's done. And this wont effect marauders then either. Dps tanking does not work on any level it has been used on other games and failed and is letting this down to. I cant see how tank spec i am suppose to out dps full dmg spec bh's snipers and so on when my dmg is not even half of how much they put out we have one ability that generates a high amount of threat that is on a huge cool down and single target. As for aoe sweeping slash dumps way to much rage and the damage is useless against heavy raid dps/healers i always guard one of the healers to drop there threat a bit. but after a bit of sweeping slash spam in aoe situations i find myself rage starved aoe taunt will bring them back then you get strays it just ends up a stressful mess and there is a huge sigh of relief when we have finished trash. I dont want to seem like im qqing or raging i really enjoyed the leveling experience/story but now i have reached the point were my class is suppose to open up i find myself wishing i have leveled something else that is less stressful to play in a group situation. i have played countless mmo's and have played all roles at one time or another tanking being my favored. would really love some kind of feedback. Thanks Dats.