I know many of these threads get made. However I am a returning player from the movie hype (derp) and before you say play what you like best i liek both the guardian and the sentinel the same. I want performance. I know the sentinel does more damage. But how does the guardian do in comparison in pvp? is the smash spec the only one viable? does the class measure up against the sentinel in pvp? I just dont wanna choose one and wish i would have gone with the other based on peformance. Please inform

I know many of these threads get made. However I am a returning player from the movie hype (derp) and before you say play what you like best i liek both the guardian and the sentinel the same. I want performance. I know the sentinel does more damage. But how does the guardian do in comparison in pvp? is the smash spec the only one viable? does the class measure up against the sentinel in pvp? I just dont wanna choose one and wish i would have gone with the other based on peformance. Please inform

Shen, are you using similar gear and tank offhand like shwarz?

Don't give up on annihilation burst. Just watched Stmp do an 8k annihilation with a 7k vicious throw to follow it up. Not trying to claim the burst is better than any of the other 2 specs...but it can compete.

I have played carnage but I don't play carnage as my main spec YET. However I agree and if i was a betting man...I would bet this spec will scale extremely hard and perform insanely well when you are insanely geared compared to the other specs. Expect this spec to shine very bright in a few months. Also this is what im trying to bring to light here. We should be happy as it seems they are trying to make easy spec very viable which will help us play a spec based on our preference. Now obviously one spec will always perform slightly better than others...but if they can keep the other 2 really close to that "one" great tree...then people can play what they want. For instance lets PRETEND the rage tree is the best tree. Player X is a decent gamer and plays it cause its the BEST!! Player Y picks annihilation cause he hates how the rage tree plays and prefers the other tree. Player Y has more skilll....Player Y will always out perform player X cause the 2 trees are close enough that skill makes a difference. This is what BW is trying to achieve.

I disagree about the bad mara damage some are claiming? Are you 50 yet? Most of your pvp gear on? Good weapons? We are so very gear dependent and especially weapon dependent it is crazy. The difference it makes is insane. And just like in all games some classes will scale harder than others. And we scale very very hard. I only use wow as a reference cause of its popularity but warriors in pvp for the most part are complete trash unless you have 2 things. Really good gear and a healer. Now on the flip side you can take a decently geared mage and solo q in a BG and do pretty damn well as opposed to a decent gear warrior solo q and u are dying all over the place. If you picked the mara class then you should expect this to be no different. Get a healer friend and tank friend and wait till u hit 50...get the pvp lightsabers and gear set and watch people just fall down as you mow through them. We are late bloomers...as warrior type classes usually are. Nothing has changed.

Thanks for all of those confirming my claims. However I want people to realize that there are tons of undiscovered methods that these specs bring to the table. A few weeks ago NO ONE was talking about playing anni at high level pvp...it was all rage rage rage. And while rage is in fact a good spec...i think we need to realize that all 3 specs ARE viable and it might be a little bit until the spec that performs the best will be revealed. At least our healing reduction ability is baseline and not tied to one spec. Looking forward to all the theorycrafting. I am hoping all 3 perform pretty close to each other with each bringing new pros and cons given the situation. Choices are ALWAYS better than forcing to play one spec. And it seems BW is leaning towards choices.

ok druid with the grand marshal gear was viable as a bear that wouldnt die and kiled people very slow...it was a gimmick. Shamans enhancement in vanilla wow was only usable with a hand of rag period Warrior ms spec was the only viable pvp build in VANILLA wow...i was a grand marshal i would know Hunters beast master and survival was not usable in vanilla wow. Did you really even play it at that time when only MC and BWL was out? Not trying to hijack the thread....my point is....this game is already much further along with choices than wow ever was at the start.

whats up easymodeXXXXXXXXX? I think what we can all be happy about here is that bioware is trying to give us 3 viable pvp trees when at first it might have looked like rage was our only option. I personally think all 3 trees are very viable after watching some high level geared streamers. For everyone complaining...anyone play wow when it first came out? Almost every class had 1 spec to use out of 3. The other 2 ware beyond useless. Paladin - spec holy only Druid - Resto only Shaman - Ele or resto only (unless you had hang of rag for enahncement for lol) Warrior MS only for pvp Rogue - Sub wasnt an option for a long long time Hunter -Marksman only My point is...the game is in its infancy. The game wil evolve so much and the fact that all three trees are viable in pvp means as the players evolve and learn more about he game....specs are gonna get tweaked and open up way more than they already are. Marauders are in a VERY good place.

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Wasn't really a post trying to ask someone to teach me how to l2p. I was just voicing my displeasure over the style of play and was wondering if anyone felt the same. Now go champion of star wars...ride off and be pro.

First let me start that I think this class is seriously strong. However being that it is very strong especially with gear, I just HATE the way you have to deal your damage. Force crush or choke to get 4 stacks of shock wave....make sure dominate is up.. and BOOM!! no wait wait wait!!! You have been CC'ed snared slowed knock backed or stunned. Your shockwave stacks are gone, or your dominate buff is gone. This spec does great damage but man....it is so frustrating the ramp up time and all the tacks in between it are just weak. Anyone feel the same? As good as i know this class is...i just think the style of the rage spec is for me.

anyone?

Im currently level 31. I truly believe something is odd right now about being carnage spec. I seem to take WAY more damage for a reason I cannot comprehend. Now to note....I am killing the same exact mobs as annihilation spec and im using zero bleeds...just simply core skills. For some reason i seem MUCH more durable at the end of a fight than I am as carnage spec. Its like juyo form also gives 10 percent damage reduction as well or something. Has anyone noticed this? Test it out.....dont use bleeds as annihilation for the self heals and just core abilites on the same mobs for both specs....carnage gets wrecked...i feel like im using light armor as carnage spec. And it has nothing to do with kill time....if anything my carnage spec kills faster.

This is the only thing holding this tree back from being a monster pvp tree. I can make a great pvp spec with this tree but it just pains me that I cannot make use of a snare. oh well...just making conversation....im at work