Getting DS points for this?

[Hrafnhildur]

Hi.

There are a few instances where the player gets DS points even if he or she makes the right choice :

1. killing Melarra in Tion FP - why, when she is responsible for many deaths, she knew well what she was transporting and for whom she was warking

2. telling Tazonthe Ghon you killed the Flesh Raiders who murdered his father, why DS points when your character literally kills a lot of Flesh Raiders? is telling the truth bad?

3. choosing to preserve the history of Avamarivash the Warrior Poet in a Tython heroic , why DS again? So what if he was a "sponsor of arts and lover of many women", he wasn't a Jedi so having multiple relationships doesn't make him a bad guy..

[SteveTheCynic]

1. Dunno.
2. You're a Jedi Padawan, so you're not supposed to rejoice about having killed all those living beings.  I suspect it's also assumed for the mission that you killed them to avenge the dude's father.  (Ref: Anakin slaughtering the Sand Raiders who killed his mother.)
3. You're a Jedi Padawan, so you're supposed to be learning and promoting Jedi-ish virtues, and Avamarivash's actions don't really match that.  (Don't forget that he also glorified war and battle...)

[wursta]

1. I assume the idea is needless murder.  Remember killing is not murder.  There are other options available to you and you choose to murder.  So darkside.

2. Needless murder + reveling in it / flaunting it.

3. Having the person be a jedi or not is irrelevant.  Your priorities are with the warrior and promiscuous man instead of the other choice who is more virtuous.  You're choosing one history over the other to preserve for future generations learning.  You choice showcases your standing.

 

I think its important to remember that most things considered wrong for THOUSANDS of years are now seen as normal (example: "shacking up").  So as players our moral compasses are not that of even what was considered okay 10/15 years ago (when most of these scenes were made).  Remember: even the "little things" can lead to the dark side.  Lying, boasting, promiscuity, etc.  To quote Yoda: "Once you start down the easy path, forever will it dominate your destiny."  Doesn't mean that oh I have to murder 1000 people to start "the dark path."  Its doing these little things, where my heart lies and intentions flow, not just what but why.  The dark side is easy because its not just baseless, sadistic desires but starts with passion of any kind.

 

1. Based on your answer, it seems that you think she deserved justice.  But was justice for you to kill her or to be judged by her people and spend the rest of her days locked up?  Maybe think about what she had done?  Point is, you made yourself judge, jury and executioner.  Idk about you but that sounds like a tyrant.  Darkside.

2. As you said, you told the truth.  I will admit, I do not recall the context of the scenerio in question but why point is there is telling the son you killed alot of Fleshers?  Are you reveling in the idea of their blood spilled?  Does this discourage/dishearten or enrage/cause turmoil in the son of any kind?  Darkside.

3. Only Jedi can take the heroic.  So as a jedi youre supposed to preserving history.  And what better history than that of a virtous man?  Oh wait... you chose the warrior poet and promiscuous man.  What ramifications does this have in the future?  What jedi padawan comes across adult content and novels in the jedi library now and turns to the darkside?  Congratulations.... you created Anakin Skywalker....  Darkside.  Joking aside, that kind of is the point.  You're going to lead others to passions they are supposed to be letting go of and you saved knowledge of it over another which shows your intent/where you heart lies.  Dark side.

 

[Hrafnhildur]

So basically.. it is cherry picking? Like.. " oh look this ancient ruler of Kaleth, he had more than one girlfriend, naughty naughty" ?

[SteveTheCynic]

9 hours ago, Hrafnhildur said:

So basically.. it is cherry picking? Like.. " oh look this ancient ruler of Kaleth, he had more than one girlfriend, naughty naughty" ?

Not exactly.  "he (...) many women(1) [suggesting ... passion] and promoted warlike values [indicating a lack of serentity and all that other stuff, *and* a certain amount of passion of a different sort]?"

(1) "he was a lover of many women" doesn't directly speak about girlfriends, but above all about, um, sex.

[Hrafnhildur]

On 10/13/2024 at 2:46 AM, SteveTheCynic said:

Not exactly.  "he (...) many women(1) [suggesting ... passion] and promoted warlike values [indicating a lack of serentity and all that other stuff, *and* a certain amount of passion of a different sort]?"

(1) "he was a lover of many women" doesn't directly speak about girlfriends, but above all about, um, sex.

Yes, but the guy wasn't even a Jedi, why judge him from the perspective of a Jedi? This contradicts the very beliefs of the Republic, how about being tolerant and accepting and forgiving? Or maybe this stops the moment one guy doesn't fit the narrative?

[SteveTheCynic]

4 hours ago, Hrafnhildur said:

Yes, but the guy wasn't even a Jedi, why judge him from the perspective of a Jedi? This contradicts the very beliefs of the Republic, how about being tolerant and accepting and forgiving? Or maybe this stops the moment one guy doesn't fit the narrative?

But the interesting question is how it relates to the beliefs of the Jedi.  In context, that means your character (who *is* a Jedi) should be promoting Jedi-like virtues.  (And note that in the SWTOR time, the Jedi are close allies of the Republic, but not actually *part* of the Republic, so we should definitely be adhering (Light) or not (Dark) to the Jedi-like virtues.)