Olliekarminas Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Hey guys, so I was just wondering. How many Jedi are there in lore that have had a loved one / romance? I'm playing a Jedi Knight and on Tython you get flirt option with not much background but I know for a fact that Kira is a character that you can develop a romantic relationship with. I guess I'd also like to know how you guys feel and your opinions on the Jedi having relationships. My view is, that Jedi celebrate life and death so they aren't afraid of it, and that a strong Jedi could come to terms with the loss of his loved one and celebrate the life they had together... Maybe that's weird I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameYOL Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 The ones i know are: Revan and Bastila Shan Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade Jaina Solo and The Fell Emperor Jacen and his wife whose name escapes me Personally i am of the opinion that love will not draw you to the dark side,the loss of it might drive one insane or the possibility of it but usually love Works the other way around,changes people for better,Revan himself was changed to the light side again because of Bastila. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 The entire New Jedi Order had no issue at all with marriages/romances, with a significant number of them being married. This was borne out of Luke's philosophy that love was more likely to pull someone back from the dark side than lead them to it, just how it did for Vader and his love for Luke, as well as Luke and Leia when he went dark for a time. The old Jedi orders had various levels of taboo attached to personal attachments. The Jedi of the prequels had a strict no attachments policy. The Old Republic Jedi seriously frowned on it, with the level of "acceptability" related to what your standing was with the order. If you were high ranking/in good standing and the Jedi Council thinks you can handle it responsibly, they'll let you go ahead, as described by Ashara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilikaa Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 The ones i know are: Revan and Bastila Shan Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade Jaina Solo and The Fell Emperor (Jagged Fel) Jacen and his wife whose name escapes me (Tenel Ka) Personally i am of the opinion that love will not draw you to the dark side,the loss of it might drive one insane or the possibility of it but usually love Works the other way around,changes people for better,Revan himself was changed to the light side again because of Bastila. There was also Corran Horn, who married Mirax. I believe Master Ki Adi Mundi was also married. Kam Solusar Married Tionne. I am sure there are others I am missing.Personally, I think Luke had it right with the NJO era of Jedi. The older generations were too closed minded in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casirabit Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) Obil Wan was in love with Siri Tachi. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Siri_Tachi Edited August 30, 2016 by casirabit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Also there quite some examples of jedi that fell in love even Obi Wan with that mandalorian ruler and Qui Gon with a fellow jedi. We know who Anakin went for. That dude that is the second best Vaapad user who was also a jedi master and the master of the master I talked about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limariko Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 The big issue was more the Jedi perception of being unable to handle the emotions that go with relationships. They had no problem with a 'hit it and quit it' type of thing. That while some Jedi did turn to the dark because of their emotions, there were others who handled things fine should've been a sign that what the Jedi really needed was to have better coping skills for dealing with emotional impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrdinn Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 The big issue was more the Jedi perception of being unable to handle the emotions that go with relationships. They had no problem with a 'hit it and quit it' type of thing. That while some Jedi did turn to the dark because of their emotions, there were others who handled things fine should've been a sign that what the Jedi really needed was to have better coping skills for dealing with emotional impact. So, a group of people raised in isolation, told to control all their emotions, and that relationships (other than 'hit it and quit it') are bad have need for emotional coping skills? Same said people all happen to also be unstoppable murder machines, and led by a bunch of other similarly shut-in emotional shunts who exploit and perpetuate the system in a quasi-religious militant order... You don't say. On a similar note, I'm shocked that there is gambling at Rick's Casino. Shocked I say, shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psandak Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 The "rules" for Jedi and marriage and procreation are not steadfast as the prequel trilogy proclaims. The Jedi Order's stance is 100% predicated on the number of Jedi in the Order and the available pool of potentials. When numbers are high the Jedi Council actively discourages romantic interaction, but it is NEVER outright forbidden. When the numbers are low the the Council is more inclined to allow marriage and procreation to boost numbers. You in fact learn this from Kira if you start a romance with her. The New Jedi Order under Luke Skywalker, took it a step further and actively encouraged marriage and procreation because the numbers were SO low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casirabit Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 The big issue was more the Jedi perception of being unable to handle the emotions that go with relationships. They had no problem with a 'hit it and quit it' type of thing. That while some Jedi did turn to the dark because of their emotions, there were others who handled things fine should've been a sign that what the Jedi really needed was to have better coping skills for dealing with emotional impact. In my viewpoint, it depends on the person. There are people that can handle a relationship and all the bumps and bad things that will happen and learn and grow from it and become stronger and then there are others that just lash out at the first problem. Jedi are no different. They need to learn how to handle things when things don't go perfectly. When people/jedi realize life isn't perfect and things can and will happen then a relationship will be able to happen and grow but when people expect things to always be roses then that is where the problem comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameYOL Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 There was also Corran Horn, who married Mirax. I believe Master Ki Adi Mundi was also married. Kam Solusar Married Tionne. I am sure there are others I am missing.Personally, I think Luke had it right with the NJO era of Jedi. The older generations were too closed minded in my opinion. Thanks for putting the names there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliekarminas Posted August 31, 2016 Author Share Posted August 31, 2016 Wow thanks for all the replies guys, I've not only learned some new stuff but it was also very interesting to see some of your takes on it. I will continue to advance in the story and will probably pursue romance with Kira, she is pretty cool up till now. Thanks again for all the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirakKordis Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 a female jedi still can't romance Kira, huh:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerraShar Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 a female jedi still can't romance Kira, huh:( alas no . But you can romance Lana.. To hell with the damn code ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirakKordis Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 alas no . But you can romance Lana.. To hell with the damn code ! Lana beFORE kotfe, or kotfe only? ran a lvl60 and rather enjoyed her company, shall we say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowanThursday Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 It probably depends a lot not just on circumstances, but also on how the current Jedi Council choose to interpret the rules, and the amount of authority of those defying them. If Satele Shan, for instance, had tried to issue a proclamation calling for total celibacy in the Jedi order, she'd likely have found a whole lot of Jedi accidentally sneezing *A-a-a-a-Jacemalcom-Chooo!* as they passed her in the temple. Knowing that, her Council instead tends toward "Um, yeah, so, biological urges happen, obviously, that's cool; just try not to go vulnerably mushy about it." At the same time, if all her teachers from her master up to the Grand Master are telling a Padawan that she can either dump her boyfriend or leave the Order, she doesn't have much option. The Barsenthor (or Hero of Tython), on the other hand, has got enough weight behind her that, if the Council complains about her love life, then the Council can wash down their hard cheese with a nice cup of ****. "Oh, you don't like it that I married one of my crew and I'm currently sleeping with a Sith and former head of their Intelligence Service? I'm so sorry I broke your narrow interpretation of the code. I suppose I should go into seclusion for a few years to meditate on my sins. YOU can deal with Zakuul while I'm away. What's that? It's fine, and all is forgiven? Yes, I thought so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pietrastor Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Hey guys, so I was just wondering. How many Jedi are there in lore that have had a loved one / romance? I'm playing a Jedi Knight and on Tython you get flirt option with not much background but I know for a fact that Kira is a character that you can develop a romantic relationship with. I guess I'd also like to know how you guys feel and your opinions on the Jedi having relationships. My view is, that Jedi celebrate life and death so they aren't afraid of it, and that a strong Jedi could come to terms with the loss of his loved one and celebrate the life they had together... Maybe that's weird I don't know.I feel it was one of the dumbest ideas Lucas ever had when it came to prequel trilogy (which unfortunately spread onto EU including Old Republic era). History of manking makes it clear: 99% of people will want sex and relationships and nothing and no rules will stop that and trying to overcontrol or even forbid it ends up usually in smaller or bigger mess/disaster. Can't expect much logical writing in fictional space opera universe when it's based on nonsense concept in the first place. Now, it would be different if people in Star Wars were written to have different biology (like Vulkans in Star Trek), but they never were so the same rules apply as we know from human psychology in real life. In conclusion: romance all you want in TOR, your Jedi will be far less messed up than his/her frustrated/abstinent colleagues. Edited September 6, 2016 by Pietrastor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myrdinn Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 I feel it was one of the dumbest ideas Lucas ever had when it came to prequel trilogy (which unfortunately spread onto EU including Old Republic era). History of manking makes it clear: 99% of people will want sex and relationships and nothing and no rules will stop that and trying to overcontrol or even forbid it ends up usually in smaller or bigger mess/disaster. Can't expect much logical writing in fictional space opera universe when it's based on nonsense concept in the first place. Now, it would be different if people in Star Wars were written to have different biology (like Vulkans in Star Trek), but they never were so the same rules apply as we know from human psychology in real life. In conclusion: romance all you want in TOR, your Jedi will be far less messed up than his/her frustrated/abstinent colleagues. To be clear: Jedi Councils of all eras were perfectly happy with "hook ups." It was love, in particular, that they had hangups on and about; namely, the whole attachment concept. Given Lucas' life when he wrote that particular bit, one can see how he codified how he wanted the world to be, instead of how humanity has a tendency to act. That, and warrior monks oftentimes had that sort of code in their various incarnations across history... non-attachment chastity makes it easier for rulers to have sacrificial killing machines with relatively clean hands. That gets interesting when one views it from that angle, the individualistic approach becomes the "wrong" and sinful one... which is how you end up with Sith. Or Ishikawa Goemon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDutchman Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 I feel it was one of the dumbest ideas Lucas ever had when it came to prequel trilogy (which unfortunately spread onto EU including Old Republic era). History of manking makes it clear: 99% of people will want sex and relationships and nothing and no rules will stop that and trying to overcontrol or even forbid it ends up usually in smaller or bigger mess/disaster. Can't expect much logical writing in fictional space opera universe when it's based on nonsense concept in the first place. Now, it would be different if people in Star Wars were written to have different biology (like Vulkans in Star Trek), but they never were so the same rules apply as we know from human psychology in real life. In conclusion: romance all you want in TOR, your Jedi will be far less messed up than his/her frustrated/abstinent colleagues. The idea isn't actually that unusual IRL. A lot of the problems that arise from this are seen in organizations that are more "casual" or very large (ex. Catholic church) because there is no real way to enforce those rules and little motivation to follow them voluntarily. And for the record, abstinence does NOT make you messed up, only when it's forced on you without any recourse can it cause a problem. While I think the Jedi and their rules are dumb, that GL would apply that here is actually fairly reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliekarminas Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 It's nice to see this is still going. I decided to start my jedi over as a Consular instead of a Knight, so I'm actually not sure who you get to romance in your story as I am still fairly new to the game and the stories. I tend to disagree with a bunch of things that the Jedi preach and love is probably the biggest one. But then I also read somewhere or heard that the Sith also look at love in a bad light, is that true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 It's nice to see this is still going. I decided to start my jedi over as a Consular instead of a Knight, so I'm actually not sure who you get to romance in your story as I am still fairly new to the game and the stories. I tend to disagree with a bunch of things that the Jedi preach and love is probably the biggest one. But then I also read somewhere or heard that the Sith also look at love in a bad light, is that true? Well its difficult to say for sith passion is very important so love with passion should be allowed but as sith are power hungry beings they know that loving someone is also a weakness as they can be used against you. So not prohibited but well it has problems. Darth Malgus for example killed his lover because he realized she was a weakness and he was more powerful as result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliekarminas Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 Well its difficult to say for sith passion is very important so love with passion should be allowed but as sith are power hungry beings they know that loving someone is also a weakness as they can be used against you. So not prohibited but well it has problems. Darth Malgus for example killed his lover because he realized she was a weakness and he was more powerful as result. Oh yeah that's right. I've read the Deceived book and I loved Malgus until that point. I was so angry with him after that. Poor twi'lek had a thing for bad boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlameYOL Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Oh yeah that's right. I've read the Deceived book and I loved Malgus until that point. I was so angry with him after that. Poor twi'lek had a thing for bad boys. Well he did for both of them kind of:confused: Imagine if a sith lord enemy of him got the hold at her,she'd be worse than dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliekarminas Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 Well he did for both of them kind of:confused: Imagine if a sith lord enemy of him got the hold at her,she'd be worse than dead. Haha not sure if that justifies him killing her but I get what you're saying. He did it because he thought she was the only weakness he had left. SO yeah, he wanted to be perfect with no weaknesses so he could start plotting his plans. I'm back to my knight again and I can tell I will love the Kira romance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avashnea Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 The ones i know are: Revan and Bastila Shan Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade Jaina Solo and The Fell Emperor Jacen and his wife whose name escapes me You forgot Satele and Jace Malcom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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