Darth_Alru Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I really have no pleasure to open up this topic one more time but here I am, the latest victim of so called "connection issue" named error 208, which I received yesterday for the first time in 4+ years of playing SWTOR. The game worked two days ago like it always did, but now I just can't go past login on launcher. I've already read everything I could find on the forums, tried every single solution with no success. My internet connection is fine, all ports the game needs are open both on firewall and router, both launcher.exe and swtor.exe are allowed to do anything they want on my PC, BitTrader folder is deleted... I even tried free vpn tool but it didn't helped at all. From the logs I see that the deal is with that patchmanifest file the launcher constanly fails to download, though I can download it manually using Chrome or IE or any other browser. What's strange is that after numerous tries I had finally successfully entered the game yesterday before I went to sleep. But it happened only once and never repeated again. 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO SWTOR Launcher [Core:P1.8.2 Lib:P1.6] initialized. 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO File info: S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher.exe size=8045584, created=12/10/2015 16:9:38, accessed=12/10/2015 17:29:36, written=12/10/2015 16:9:38 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO Initializing download manager 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO Loaded settings from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher-app.settings 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO Loaded settings from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher.settings 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO Sending crash dumps to [https://patcher-crash.swtor.com/crashcatch] 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO completeLauncherInit() 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO -----------------------------(-360)----------------------------- 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO Timezone: -360 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO SpecsHash=2587449175.3148393336 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO Checking for launcher update 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO Loaded agreements from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\eula.settings 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO ManifestState=GetManifest: , current=-1/upcoming=0/required=0 2016-02-01 18:36:38 INFO Download: http://manifest.swtor.com/patch/patcher2014.patchmanifest (159.153.92.50 ) 2016-02-01 18:45:20 ERROR Patch manifest state error in patcher2014: DownloadFail (8) (e208) 2016-02-01 18:45:20 INFO Going Offline 2016-02-01 18:45:20 INFO Patching end 2016-02-01 18:45:22 INFO User presses exit - E:(false,Error Text) NE:(true,Unable to retrieve patch data. Please check network connection. (208)) 2016-02-01 18:45:22 INFO Closed launcher 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO SWTOR Launcher [Core:P1.8.2 Lib:P1.6] initialized. 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO File info: S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher.exe size=8045584, created=12/10/2015 16:9:38, accessed=12/10/2015 17:29:36, written=12/10/2015 16:9:38 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO Initializing download manager 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO Loaded settings from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher-app.settings 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO Loaded agreements from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\eula.settings 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO Loaded settings from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher.settings 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO Sending crash dumps to [https://patcher-crash.swtor.com/crashcatch] 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO completeLauncherInit() 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO -----------------------------(-360)----------------------------- 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO Timezone: -360 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO SpecsHash=2587449175.3148393336 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO Checking for launcher update 2016-02-01 19:07:36 INFO ManifestState=GetManifest: , current=-1/upcoming=0/required=0 2016-02-01 19:07:37 INFO Download: http://manifest.swtor.com/patch/patcher2014.patchmanifest (159.153.92.50 ) 2016-02-01 19:13:25 ERROR Patch manifest state error in patcher2014: DownloadFail (8) (e208) 2016-02-01 19:13:25 INFO Going Offline 2016-02-01 19:13:25 INFO Patching end 2016-02-01 19:13:35 INFO Scanning and repairing... this could take 20 minutes or more. 2016-02-01 19:13:35 INFO 0 scans finished. 2016-02-01 19:13:35 INFO File scan and repair completed successfully. 2016-02-01 19:13:35 INFO Patching end 2016-02-01 19:24:15 INFO User presses exit - E:(false,Error Text) NE:(false,Unable to retrieve patch data. Please check network connection.) 2016-02-01 19:24:15 INFO Closed launcher 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO SWTOR Launcher [Core:P1.8.2 Lib:P1.6] initialized. 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO File info: S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher.exe size=8045584, created=12/10/2015 16:9:38, accessed=12/10/2015 17:29:36, written=12/10/2015 16:9:38 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO Initializing download manager 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO Loaded settings from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher-app.settings 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO Loaded settings from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher.settings 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO Sending crash dumps to [https://patcher-crash.swtor.com/crashcatch] 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO completeLauncherInit() 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO -----------------------------(-360)----------------------------- 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO Timezone: -360 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO SpecsHash=2587449175.3148393336 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO Checking for launcher update 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO Loaded agreements from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\eula.settings 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO ManifestState=GetManifest: , current=-1/upcoming=0/required=0 2016-02-01 19:24:20 INFO Download: http://manifest.swtor.com/patch/patcher2014.patchmanifest (159.153.92.50 ) 2016-02-01 19:25:36 ERROR Patch manifest state error in patcher2014: DownloadFail (8) (e208) 2016-02-01 19:25:36 INFO Patching end 2016-02-01 19:32:32 INFO User logs in. 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Retrieving patch notes for environment [swtor] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Using environment.name [swtor], productName [retailclient] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO BitRaider is available for [swtor] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Previous patching mode for [swtor] is [undefined] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Patch selection action: GoStraightToBR 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO currentPatchingMode, changing from undefined [undefined] to: BR 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Starting Bitraider Streaming 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO BitRaider Transitioning from Asleep to Launch 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO isBitraiderRunning: false 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Creating bitraider configuration files 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Using environment.name [swtor], productName [retailclient] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Formatted [http://manifest.swtor.com/patch/bitraider/{env}] to [http://manifest.swtor.com/patch/bitraider/swtor] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Using environment.name [swtor], productName [retailclient] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Formatted [http://cdn-patch.swtor.com/bitraider/{env}/{env}] to [http://cdn-patch.swtor.com/bitraider/swtor/swtor] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Using environment.name [swtor], productName [retailclient] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Using environment.name [swtor], productName [retailclient] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Formatted [http://cdn-patch.swtor.com/bitraider/support] to [http://cdn-patch.swtor.com/bitraider/support] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO BitRaider required version is [1.3.3.4098]. 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Using environment.name [swtor], productName [retailclient] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Using environment.name [swtor], productName [retailclient] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Formatted [brdestpath="{cwd}" brlocalebank={langid} id={packageid} -brnolaunch] to [brdestpath="S:\\Games\\Star Wars-The Old Republic" brlocalebank=0 id=swtor_swtor -brnolaunch] 2016-02-01 19:32:34 INFO Launching Bitraider with command line: brwc_swtor.exe brdestpath="S:\\Games\\Star Wars-The Old Republic" brlocalebank=0 id=swtor_swtor -brnolaunch -brnoui 2016-02-01 19:32:35 INFO BitRaider launched 2016-02-01 19:32:36 INFO Waiting for BitRaider to start... 2016-02-01 19:32:37 INFO Waiting for BitRaider to start... 2016-02-01 19:32:38 INFO Waiting for BitRaider to start... 2016-02-01 19:32:39 INFO BitRaider running 2016-02-01 19:32:39 INFO BitRaider Transitioning from Launch to Connect 2016-02-01 19:32:39 INFO BitRaider required version is [1.3.3.4098]. 2016-02-01 19:32:40 ERROR Error [1048833] encountered while retrieving BitRaider version 2016-02-01 19:32:40 ERROR Failed to retrieve BRWC Version. 2016-02-01 19:32:40 ERROR Failed to initialize BRExtPipe.dll 2016-02-01 19:32:40 ERROR BitRaider_GetVersion::DoInvoke: BitRaider client initialization failed. 2016-02-01 19:32:40 ERROR Invoke failed: BitRaider_GetVersion 2016-02-01 19:32:41 INFO Initialized pipe connection to BitRaider version [1.3.3.4098] 2016-02-01 19:32:41 ERROR Failed to initialize BitRaider query mapping. 2016-02-01 19:32:41 INFO Bitraider version [1.3.3.4098] meets requirement [1.3.3.4098] 2016-02-01 19:32:41 ERROR Failed to initialize BitRaider query mapping. 2016-02-01 19:32:46 INFO Bitraider version [1.3.3.4098] meets requirement [1.3.3.4098] 2016-02-01 19:32:46 INFO Bitraider version [1.3.3.4098] is fully operational 2016-02-01 19:32:46 INFO Bitraider machine id [RjQkKlw1QiRCS1hODnEHZ2UxUCcmMEM6] 2016-02-01 19:32:46 INFO Current BRWC Stage: BR_STAGE_INITIALIZE 2016-02-01 19:33:05 INFO Current BRWC Stage: BR_STAGE_AUDIT 2016-02-01 19:33:05 INFO BitRaider Transitioning from Connect to Audit 2016-02-01 19:37:12 INFO BitRaider Transitioning from Audit to Streaming_Decision 2016-02-01 19:37:12 INFO Using environment.name [swtor], productName [retailclient] 2016-02-01 19:37:13 INFO Required BR Assets: 1-999 2016-02-01 19:37:13 INFO BitRaider Transitioning from Streaming_Decision to Complete 2016-02-01 19:37:13 INFO Using environment.name [swtor], productName [retailclient] 2016-02-01 19:37:13 INFO Completed Bitraider streaming for environment swtor 2016-02-01 19:37:18 INFO Using environment.name [swtor], productName [retailclient] 2016-02-01 19:37:18 INFO User pressed play (retailclient,en-us,swtor) 2016-02-01 19:37:18 INFO Asking Bitraider to launch game client. 2016-02-01 19:37:18 INFO BitRaider_LaunchGame::DoInvoke: Requesting BitRaider play. 2016-02-01 19:37:18 INFO Game successfully launched: S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\swtor\RetailClient\swtor.exe 2016-02-01 19:37:18 INFO Closed launcher 2016-02-02 12:52:34 INFO SWTOR Launcher [Core:P1.8.2 Lib:P1.6] initialized. 2016-02-02 12:52:34 INFO File info: S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher.exe size=8045584, created=12/10/2015 16:9:38, accessed=12/10/2015 17:29:36, written=12/10/2015 16:9:38 2016-02-02 12:52:34 INFO Initializing download manager 2016-02-02 12:52:34 INFO Loaded settings from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher-app.settings 2016-02-02 12:52:34 INFO Loaded agreements from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\eula.settings 2016-02-02 12:52:34 INFO Loaded settings from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher.settings 2016-02-02 12:52:34 INFO Sending crash dumps to [https://patcher-crash.swtor.com/crashcatch] 2016-02-02 12:52:34 INFO completeLauncherInit() 2016-02-02 12:52:34 INFO -----------------------------(-360)----------------------------- 2016-02-02 12:52:34 INFO Timezone: -360 2016-02-02 12:52:35 INFO SpecsHash=2587449175.3148393336 2016-02-02 12:52:35 INFO Checking for launcher update 2016-02-02 12:52:35 INFO ManifestState=GetManifest: , current=-1/upcoming=0/required=0 2016-02-02 12:52:36 INFO Download: http://manifest.swtor.com/patch/patcher2014.patchmanifest (159.153.92.50 ) 2016-02-02 12:53:51 ERROR Patch manifest state error in patcher2014: DownloadFail (8) (e208) 2016-02-02 12:53:51 INFO Going Offline 2016-02-02 12:53:51 INFO Patching end 2016-02-02 12:53:57 INFO User presses exit - E:(false,Error Text) NE:(true,Unable to retrieve patch data. Please check network connection. (208)) 2016-02-02 12:53:57 INFO Closed launcher 2016-02-02 12:54:58 INFO SWTOR Launcher [Core:P1.8.2 Lib:P1.6] initialized. 2016-02-02 12:54:58 INFO File info: S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher.exe size=8045584, created=12/10/2015 16:9:38, accessed=12/10/2015 17:29:36, written=12/10/2015 16:9:38 2016-02-02 12:54:58 INFO Initializing download manager 2016-02-02 12:54:58 INFO Loaded settings from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher-app.settings 2016-02-02 12:54:58 INFO Loaded agreements from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\eula.settings 2016-02-02 12:54:58 INFO Loaded settings from S:\Games\Star Wars-The Old Republic\launcher.settings 2016-02-02 12:54:58 INFO Sending crash dumps to [https://patcher-crash.swtor.com/crashcatch] 2016-02-02 12:54:58 INFO completeLauncherInit() 2016-02-02 12:54:58 INFO -----------------------------(-360)----------------------------- 2016-02-02 12:54:58 INFO Timezone: -360 2016-02-02 12:54:58 INFO SpecsHash=2587449175.3148393336 2016-02-02 12:54:59 INFO Checking for launcher update 2016-02-02 12:54:59 INFO ManifestState=GetManifest: , current=-1/upcoming=0/required=0 2016-02-02 12:54:59 INFO Download: http://manifest.swtor.com/patch/patcher2014.patchmanifest (159.153.92.50 ) 2016-02-02 13:03:08 ERROR Patch manifest state error in patcher2014: DownloadFail (8) (e208) 2016-02-02 13:03:08 INFO Going Offline 2016-02-02 13:03:08 INFO Patching end 2016-02-02 13:03:15 INFO User presses exit - E:(false,Error Text) NE:(true,Unable to retrieve patch data. Please check network connection. (208)) 2016-02-02 13:03:15 INFO Closed launcher I'm frustrated, lost last 2 days of BH week and have no idea what to do next. Of course I always can delete the entire game and try to re-install it but right now I'm not sure that the launcher will be able to do that. And even if it will be able to download almost 30 GB, I'm not sure the error will not persist. So I really hope for help and suggestions from someone in BioWare or from you guys in SWTOR community. In my case it's probably the only thing right now I can do myself anyway.)) Here the TraceRoute and a PathPing. They are on Russian (sorry), but I guess you can understand what is written there. Трассировка маршрута к 159.153.72.252 с максимальным числом прыжков 30 1 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса. 2 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса. 3 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса. 4 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса. 5 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса. 6 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса. 7 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса. 8 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса. 9 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса. 10 * * * Превышен интервал ожидания для запроса. 11 275 ms 273 ms 277 ms 159.153.72.252 Трассировка завершена. 1 * * * Подсчет статистики за: 0 сек. ... Исходный узел Маршрутный узел Прыжок RTT Утер./Отпр. % Утер./Отпр. % Адрес 0 10.254.248.12 Трассировка завершена. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorsaLindahl Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Here the TraceRoute and a PathPing. They are on Russian (sorry), but I guess you can understand what is written there. Tracing route to 159.153.72.252 with the maximum number of hops 30 1 * * * Timed out request. 2 * * * Timed out request. 3 * * * Timed out request. 4 * * * Timed out request. 5 * * * Timed out request. 6 * * * Timed out request. 7 * * * Timed out request. 8 * * * Timed out request. 9 * * * Timed out request. 10 * * * Timed out request. 11 275 ms 273 ms 277 ms 159.153.72.252 Trace complete. 1 * * * Counting statistics for : 0 sec . ... The source node node Trip Jump RTT Uther . / Send to email . % Loss. / Send to email . % Address 0 10.254.248.12 Trace complete. Translated for you. None of your trace routes completed. So I would assume it is a connection issue somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Alru Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 Translated for you. None of your trace routes completed. So I would assume it is a connection issue somewhere. Ok, so in case I somehow did a mess with my router (willingly or not), I decided to restore it back to the factory settings. The TraceRoute and a PathPing right after are looking like this Трассировка маршрута к 159.153.72.252 с максимальным числом прыжков 30 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms my.router [192.168.1.1] 2 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms osk-bbar3.ncc.sibirtelecom.ru [213.228.116.135] 3 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms 213.228.106.16.ncc.sibirtelecom.ru [213.228.106.16] 4 109 ms 109 ms 108 ms 95.167.92.59 5 111 ms 112 ms 111 ms ffm-b11-link.telia.net [80.239.192.229] 6 108 ms 107 ms 108 ms ffm-bb1-link.telia.net [62.115.116.161] 7 111 ms 108 ms 108 ms prs-bb3-link.telia.net [62.115.134.121] 8 135 ms 125 ms 125 ms ldn-bb3-link.telia.net [62.115.115.13] 9 136 ms 135 ms 136 ms dln-b1-link.telia.net [62.115.136.69] 10 125 ms 125 ms 124 ms bioware-ic-147166-dln-b3.c.telia.net [80.239.192.78] 11 128 ms 127 ms 127 ms 159.153.72.53 12 137 ms 135 ms 133 ms 159.153.72.252 Трассировка завершена. Трассировка маршрута к 159.153.72.252 с максимальным числом переходов 30 0 192.168.1.154 1 192.168.1.1 2 213.228.116.135 3 213.228.106.16 4 95.167.92.59 5 80.239.192.229 6 62.115.116.161 7 62.115.134.121 8 62.115.115.13 9 62.115.136.69 10 80.239.192.78 11 159.153.72.53 12 159.153.72.252 Подсчет статистики за: 300 сек. ... Исходный узел Маршрутный узел Прыжок RTT Утер./Отпр. % Утер./Отпр. % Адрес 0 192.168.1.154 0/ 100 = 0% | 1 1мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 192.168.1.1 0/ 100 = 0% | 2 18мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 213.228.116.135 0/ 100 = 0% | 3 16мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 213.228.106.16 0/ 100 = 0% | 4 104мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 95.167.92.59 0/ 100 = 0% | 5 102мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 80.239.192.229 0/ 100 = 0% | 6 106мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 62.115.116.161 0/ 100 = 0% | 7 114мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 62.115.134.121 0/ 100 = 0% | 8 126мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 62.115.115.13 0/ 100 = 0% | 9 130мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 62.115.136.69 0/ 100 = 0% | 10 126мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 80.239.192.78 0/ 100 = 0% | 11 129мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 159.153.72.53 0/ 100 = 0% | 12 126мс 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 159.153.72.252 Трассировка завершена. which probably means that I don't have problems with my connection (at least part of them) any more. Then I started launcher and received another error 208 message almost immediately, but after I tried to enter my password and security key code, the launcher just let me in and started downloading. Eventually, I deleted the game yesterday evening so I have to re-install SWTOR. It seems that the process is going like it should, although I have some reasonable doubts about my ability to launch the game after installation. You know, I still have no idea why the game broke down initially (I didn't tweak anything in my router for about 18 months before I get first error 208 on Monday) and if the cause has been solved. So let's see what happens next. Hopefully I will be able to play the game in couple of hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwenBrooks Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) 2016-02-02 12:54:59 INFO Download: http://manifest.swtor.com/patch/patcher2014.patchmanifest (159.153.92.50 ) 2016-02-02 13:03:08 ERROR Patch manifest state error in patcher2014: DownloadFail (8) (e208) can you download this http://manifest.swtor.com/patch/patcher2014.patchmanifest in your web browser ? the game cant access it Now whether that is Antivirus / firewall blocking or a net issue is the question that link works for me just for comparison Can you also ping manifest.swtor.com ? These sorts of issues are best posted here in future Edit - ahh just re-read and it sounds like you are good now. From your earlier tracerts it may have been the firewall on the router Edited February 3, 2016 by OwenBrooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Alru Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 2016-02-02 12:54:59 INFO Download: http://manifest.swtor.com/patch/patcher2014.patchmanifest (159.153.92.50 ) 2016-02-02 13:03:08 ERROR Patch manifest state error in patcher2014: DownloadFail (8) (e208) can you download this http://manifest.swtor.com/patch/patcher2014.patchmanifest in your web browser ? the game cant access it Now whether that is Antivirus / firewall blocking or a net issue is the question that link works for me just for comparison Can you also ping manifest.swtor.com ? These sorts of issues are best posted here in future Yes, I can download manifest with Chrome, Firefox and IE. Here is ping Обмен пакетами с va1originmanifest.swtor.biowareonline.net [159.153.92.50] с 32 байтами данных: Ответ от 159.153.92.50: число байт=32 время=592мс TTL=246 Ответ от 159.153.92.50: число байт=32 время=581мс TTL=246 Ответ от 159.153.92.50: число байт=32 время=582мс TTL=246 Ответ от 159.153.92.50: число байт=32 время=572мс TTL=246 Статистика Ping для 159.153.92.50: Пакетов: отправлено = 4, получено = 4, потеряно = 0 (0% потерь) Приблизительное время приема-передачи в мс: Минимальное = 572мсек, Максимальное = 592 мсек, Среднее = 581 мсек Thanks for the link btw.)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwenBrooks Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) if the same does occur again and you can ping manifest.swtor.com then the issue has to be local , whether that is PC AV/Firewall or the router firewall is the question to look for. Edited February 3, 2016 by OwenBrooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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