Beniboybling Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) Something done on other forums but hardly at all here are a steady stream of stand alone vs. matches purely for the purposes of discussion. Seeing as activity is low I thought now might be a good time to test the formula. I hope to post 4 or 5 of these every few weeks, everyone is welcome to participate and of course, post you're own! Reborn Darth Krayt vs Mother Talzin Battleground: Zardossa Stix Pyramid Bonus Round: Krayt gets Darth Wyyrlok for support. Morals are on (not that they have any) and both characters have full use of their abilities. Who wins? NOTE: Please provide reasoning for you're opinion to spark some argument, no one word answers. Edited October 12, 2015 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Bonus is a stomp for the Team. Well maybe not a stomp but you get the idea. For the rest I get back to you later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 PS: I was actually planning to repost a controversial battle thread from CV, so ninja'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 PS: I was actually planning to repost a controversial battle thread from CV, so ninja'd.Sounds juicy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Interesting thread here. I'm actually not sure. Wyyrlok and Krayt win the second round, obviously. Way too much power being thrown Talzin's way for her to handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Interesting thread here. I'm actually not sure. Wyyrlok and Krayt win the second round, obviously. Way too much power being thrown Talzin's way for her to handle. Aurbere, your PMs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Aurbere, your PMs I replied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleDelirium Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) Although it pains me to say it, I'd have to go with Talzin. She holds magics that Krayt wouldn't even know how to deal with, and he had hard enough of a time of dealing with Wyyrlock's sorcery whom isn't nearly as skilled. She also stalemated Mace Windu in a brief duel on Zardossa, which we have to assume is a neutral force nexus because it is never stated. Also in Son of Dathomir She managed to hold off a barrage of force lightening from both Sidious and Dooku for a reasonably prolonged period. Wyyrlock and Krayt together vs Talzin possesses a much better chance. Edited October 12, 2015 by PurpleDelirium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 This is a tough one. While Talzin undoubtedly is more powerful, in turn Krayt is a better duelist. If Talzin can keep a distance she wins, if not Krayt wins. Now can Krayt close the distance? Most probably yes. Talzin can play the dematerialize card a few times, but surely she can't go on forever. Eventually she'll have to take Krayt head on. The other question is can Talzin deal enough damage before Krayt engages her in a lightsaber duel to pull off a win? I think not, and that's because of Dark Transfer. So I give the win to Krayt because of DT. Imo Talzin just can't outright kill Krayt, and after that all she does is nullified by DT. Bonus round is therefore an overkill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleDelirium Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) This is a tough one. While Talzin undoubtedly is more powerful, in turn Krayt is a better duelist. If Talzin can keep a distance she wins, if not Krayt wins. Now can Krayt close the distance? Most probably yes. Talzin can play the dematerialize card a few times, but surely she can't go on forever. Eventually she'll have to take Krayt head on. The other question is can Talzin deal enough damage before Krayt engages her in a lightsaber duel to pull off a win? I think not, and that's because of Dark Transfer. So I give the win to Krayt because of DT. Imo Talzin just can't outright kill Krayt, and after that all she does is nullified by DT. Bonus round is therefore an overkill. Talzin put Windu on the defensive, Krayt's ability as a duelist is not akin to Windu's. Again, she holds sorceries Krayt has no hopes of dealing with. Sidious has traded knowledge with Talzin in the past specifically to learn ways of combating and utilizing her ancient magics, Krayt doesn't hold this sort of knowledge. He almost succumb to insanity against Wyrrlock's illusions. Also it is largely unclear how much time and energy it takes for Krayt to use Dark Transfer amidst his death, and Talzin very well may have ways of nullifying it, not even accounting the fact that she has a power very similar herself. Edited October 13, 2015 by PurpleDelirium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Talzin put Windu on the defensive, Krayt's ability as a duelist is not akin to Windu's. Again, she holds sorceries Krayt has no hopes of dealing with. Sidious has traded knowledge with Talzin in the past specifically to learn ways of combating and utilizing her ancient magics, Krayt doesn't hold this sort of knowledge. He almost succumb to insanity against Wyrrlock's illusions. Also it is largely unclear how much time and energy it takes for Krayt to use Dark Transfer amidst his death, and Talzin very well may have ways of nullifying it, not even accounting the fact that she has a power very similar herself. The Windu "duel" is irrelevant. First it was barely long enough to even call it a duel, second Mace was likely used Sokan, third Krayt is hella lot more powerful than Mace. He's close to Talzin in fact. The gap between their skills with the lightsaber is a lot bigger than the gap between their force power. That's why Krayt wins, and DT. As for Wyrrlock, iirc Krayt was only using a ploy or something (not to mention that Wyyrlock had intimate knowledge to exploit in illusions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleDelirium Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 The Windu "duel" is irrelevant. First it was barely long enough to even call it a duel, second Mace was likely used Sokan, third Krayt is hella lot more powerful than Mace. He's close to Talzin in fact. The gap between their skills with the lightsaber is a lot bigger than the gap between their force power. That's why Krayt wins, and DT. As for Wyrrlock, iirc Krayt was only using a ploy or something (not to mention that Wyyrlock had intimate knowledge to exploit in illusions). No way Krayt is not anywhere near that powerful in the force as Talzin, and he is certainly not nearly as skilled with a lightsaber as Mace. His feats in those categories don't stack anywhere close to theirs. The details of his DT are left largely unclear, and it is implied in the Legacy comics that it is a lengthy process. Although your Wyyrlock point has some merit, Talzin is exponentially more powerful, and again holds power of sorcery that pretty much no one save for Sidious understands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 No way Krayt is not anywhere near that powerful in the force as Talzin, and he is certainly not nearly as skilled with a lightsaber as Mace. His feats in those categories don't stack anywhere close to theirs. The details of his DT are left largely unclear, and it is implied in the Legacy comics that it is a lengthy process. Although your Wyyrlock point has some merit, Talzin is exponentially more powerful, and again holds power of sorcery that pretty much no one save for Sidious understands. http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=8404384&postcount=4567 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleDelirium Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=8404384&postcount=4567 Yes I am aware of these feats and abilities. It still does not disprove my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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