Beniboybling Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) “Who will be the winners? Who will be the corpses? Audience, place your bets!” Team LadyKulvax vs Team Randomname Anakin Skywalker, Hero of Tython & Aryn Leneer vs Darth Jadus, Emperor's Wrath & General Grievous Welcome to Round 1A of the Runner's Up Bracket. For anyone new to the tournament, please look over the rules first before participating, and those who are familiar, you may wish to remind yourselves of how it all works. The Battleground: Korriban Catacombs Combatants start 25 meters apart in a crumbling passageway. Rules of the Debate Victory by killing, KO’ing or otherwise incapacitating all of the opposing team. Combatants cannot hide or flee, though tactical retreats or attempts to lure the opponent are permitted. Combatant morals and personality traits apply, however they are all ready and willing to kill their opponents. All combatants are equipped with their standard arms and armament. Combatants do not possess any prior knowledge of their opponents beyond what they already know. But they are aware of the names of their combatants which are announced immediately before the fight. Any and all external Force nexuses or amplifiers are for the purposes of debate non-existent. Game mechanics are to be treated as canon, unless they exist purely for gameplay purposes. No flaming, trolling or aggressive debating, keep it chill people. So without further ado, let the battle begin! Edited September 2, 2015 by Beniboybling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 *not so subtle bump* Let's get the ball rolling people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I guess I shall start, fitting as I will end it. On paper one may believe that Darth Jadus takes a Force advantage over all participants in this battle, this is incorrect, whilst his powers are undeniably potent they are not going to have the desired effect in this contest: 1.The Hero of Tython has resisted the powers of and killed the immensely powerful Sith Emperor Vitiate, whom of course is far beyond Jadus' tier, inside the Dark Temple on low Force energy: 2.Aryn Leneer has faced Sith Lord Darth Malgus a comparable Sith Lord to Jadus and at times successfully tanked his Force Lightning: His power met her will. The lightning twisted around the glowing blades. The force of it stopped her downward descent and held her aloft in the air for a moment, suspended on a column built of the dark side. And then she overcame it. The lightning dissipated to nothingness and she, unharmed by it, fell straight down, landing on her feet atop a shifting pile of rubble and deactivating Master Zallow’s blade. -Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived Note: Before this engagement, Malgus' lightning has outright killed three Jedi in a single burst and subdued Darth Adraas: Malgus, not to be outdone, picked a Jedi Knight at random, a human female ten meters away, held forth his left hand, and discharged veins of blue lightning from his fingertips. The jagged lines of energy cut a swath through the battle, harvesting two Padawans as they went, until they caught up to the Jedi Knight and lifted her off her feet. She screamed as the lightning ripped into her, her flesh made temporarily translucent from the dark power coursing through her. Malgus savored her pain as she died. Source: Deceived Malgus held forth his hand and the rage within him manifested in blue veins of lightning that discharged from his fingertips and slammed into Adraas. The power stopped Adraas's charge cold, blew his lightsaber from his hand, caught him up in a cage of burning lightning. He screamed, squirming in frustration and pain. "End it, Malgus! End it!" Malgus unclenched his fingers and released the lightning. Adraas fell to the ground, his flesh smoking, the skin of his once handsome face blistered and peeling. Source: Decevied 3.Anakin Skywalker has repeatedly either blocked or waded through the Force lightning amd Telekinetic assaults of Count Dooku: http://youtu.be/kSO1SjHQfCA Clearly Jadus won't be capable of dominating the field with his powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 Nice opener, you're move Random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Can I make some corrections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 Can I make some corrections?Considering none of the above statements are strictly false, I'd be hesitant to allow you to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Considering none of the above statements are strictly false, I'd be hesitant to allow you to. If you believe that, then you have failed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 Oh wait, I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raandomname Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) You guys really have a knack for starting these things at the most inconvenient times for me. Aside from that HoT didnt beat Vititate, he beat his voice which the Wrath by the way also did. On another note, my team has a massive homefield advantage. Both the Wrath and Jadus will be very familiar with the terrain with the Wrath and most likely Jadus as well being trained on Korriban. Edited September 4, 2015 by raandomname Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Just a note Random: Any and all external Force nexuses or amplifiers are for the purposes of debate non-existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raandomname Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Just a note Random: Oh didnt see that, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 You guys really have a knack for starting these things at the most inconvenient times for me. Aside from that HoT didnt beat Vititate, he beat his voice which the Wrath by the way also did. On another note, my team has a massive homefield advantage. Both the Wrath and Jadus will be very familiar with the terrain with the Wrath and most likely Jadus as well being trained on Korriban. Hero of Tython defeated the Voice of the Emperor, the same Voice that stomped the Jedi strike team with 'incalculable powers of corruption. Whilst the Voice had suffered from weaknesses in this engagement, he also had the immensely potent Dark Temple to fuel him, whereas the HoT had expended their energies fighting through an elite army of Sith/Imperial Guards and saving their allies. Also consider that the Hero had to weather the extreme Dark Side environment, which would have effected them strongly. The Wrath killed a Sel Makor possessed Voss host of Vitiate, whom dropped any defensive and wanted the Wrath to kill his body so he could escape. Hardly the same thing. The Wrath was bullrushed through training on Korriban so as to compete as Darth Baras' apprentice, the Wrath would hardly have been afforded the time to become an expert in Korriban's catacombs, somewhere they went through all of once. Darth Jadus' backstory is completely unknown but him being trained on Dromund Kaas just as Darth Malgus had been before the Galactic War is highly likely. The Hero coincidentally would have engaged here during the sham invasion of Korriban, preceding the Coalition war against Revan. Anakin Skywalker also ventured to Korriban in the Clone Wars. All of this is pretty redundant though, one time experiences aren't going to afford a significant advantage here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 So what's the hold up people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I could drown this in arguments of my own but I don't fancy winning against someone who isn't even here to defend against me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Makes sense, hopefully Randomname will make an appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 Still waiting on those corrections Aurbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Real quick then, Beni. 1.The Hero of Tython has resisted the powers of and killed the immensely powerful Sith Emperor Vitiate, whom of course is far beyond Jadus' tier, inside the Dark Temple on low Force energy: You're overblowing this. Vitiate is immensely powerful, but he was severely weakened from his attempted ritual when he faced the Hero. As we can see later in the story, no one thinks the Hero can beat Vitiate again. Not even the Hero's blatant superior (Revan) was considered able to take him on alone. 2.Aryn Leneer has faced Sith Lord Darth Malgus a comparable Sith Lord to Jadus and at times successfully tanked his Force Lightning: Note: Before this engagement, Malgus' lightning has outright killed three Jedi in a single burst and subdued Darth Adraas: False. Malgus bested Leneer in their second bout on page 276 of Deceived and defeated Lord Adraas on page 296. Noting that the Malgus who fought Adraas was in an empowered state after certain events that took place after he defeated Leneer. 3.Anakin Skywalker has repeatedly either blocked or waded through the Force lightning amd Telekinetic assaults of Count Dooku: http://youtu.be/kSO1SjHQfCA Clearly Jadus won't be capable of dominating the field with his powers. Not entirely true. Dooku has subdued Anakin multiple times with his Force Lightning. Geonosis, Naboo, and Zygerria all come to mind. There. Corrections done. Edited September 13, 2015 by Aurbere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Real quick then, Beni. Indeed? You're overblowing this. Vitiate is immensely powerful, but he was severely weakened from his attempted ritual when he faced the Hero. As we can see later in the story, no one thinks the Hero can beat Vitiate again. Not even the Hero's blatant superior (Revan) was considered able to take him on alone. You're the one who needs to be corrected here: Vitiate's cons: 1.Vitiate had expended 'great' energy in his failed ritual. 2.Vitiate had allowed the death of his Voss Mystic to take place beforehand, losing power. Vitiate's pros: 1.Vitiate had the energies of an extremely potent focal point of Dark Side energy. 2.Vitiate according to Lord Scourge was growing more powerful with every passing moment. Hero's cons: 1.Hero fought through an army of Imperial Guardsmen, which Darth Nyriss can't defeat, only after an army of Sith. 2.Vitiate himself noted that the Hero had expended energy saving their allies, to which there was consequences. 3.Hero of Tython was of course fighting on an extremely potent Dark Side nexus the entire time. Hero's pro(s): 1.He is the only known living person besides Revan who can withstand Vitiate's mind domination. What Hero achieved was incredible, unprecedented and prophesied. Do not attempt to handwave this as nothing special. False. Malgus bested Leneer in their second bout on page 276 of Deceived and defeated Lord Adraas on page 296. Noting that the Malgus who fought Adraas was in an empowered state after certain events that took place after he defeated Leneer. Whilst I was chronologically incorrect, you could perhaps take your own time to acknowledge my statement that at points she could withstand his power, not repeatedly. Not entirely true. Dooku has subdued Anakin multiple times with his Force Lightning. Geonosis, Naboo, and Zygerria all come to mind. I am referring to S6/ROTS Anakin here, not pre-prime. There. Corrections done. :Hmm: Edited September 14, 2015 by LadyKulvax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Beni, should I respond? I don't want to break any rules, since that could easily turn into a debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Beni, should I respond? I don't want to break any rules, since that could easily turn into a debate. Just use silver color, nobody will notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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