Jboath Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Help us out here Bioware. Also anyone know what the deal with dot purge being taken away in 3.0 from cover/entrench was about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGITSJAD Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Help us out here Bioware. Also anyone know what the deal with dot purge being taken away in 3.0 from cover/entrench was about? wut. we have like the 2nd best dot spread under madness sorcs. and that isn't even spammable. first off they took it away from evasion, not entrench...they took dot purge away because of PvE, mainly, I believe. basically they didn't like people being able to ignore things like death marks on snipers for some reason. this was discussed during the 3.0 preview streams they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jauvtus Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Why use dotspread as a title when you want to talk about purge? Anyway taking away the purge from snipers doesnt make any sense pve-wise, it wasnt op or anything, it was rather a group utility, since you helped the healers more than yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jboath Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 wut. we have like the 2nd best dot spread under madness sorcs. and that isn't even spammable. first off they took it away from evasion, not entrench...they took dot purge away because of PvE, mainly, I believe. basically they didn't like people being able to ignore things like death marks on snipers for some reason. this was discussed during the 3.0 preview streams they did. engineering does not have a dot spread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiaowZedong Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 engineering does not have a dot spread Virulence does. Although it uses the smaller radius and is a TAoE, so really not in the league of Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jauvtus Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 engineering does not have a dot spread Engineering cant have a dotspread, interrogation probe can be only on a single target afaik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XGabriel Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 not going to lie if they made it so that fragmentation grenade hit multiple targets and spread whatever stack of electrified railgun on main target to multiple targets that would be nice. if they made it so that plasma probe spread electrified railgun or just put it up with every few ticks, that would be nice. If they made it so that explosive probe would hit multiple targets (as it is an explosive probe) that would be fairly cool (but not as nice as it would lead to issues where you don't want to damage some targets). If orbital strike gave a dot/stacks of electrified railgun, that would be nice (and give a good reason to use it more). if there was a weak dot on targets that leave plasma probe, that would be nice (for high mobility things like where tanks move boss out of your circle). If you haven't noticed, Ive mentioned electrified railgun so many times in this post. that is because it really does so little damage in most parses, and honestly isn't that great, that it would be nice if we could have the possibility to get it on more than one target. Engineering is an aoe dot spec so why can't the aoes spread the dots? why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMGITSJAD Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I'm sure it would be nice for Engineering to have Frag Grenade spread Dart/Railgun. If it did get it, Lightning and Concealment would want DoT spread too though, and we definitely don't want that now, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XGabriel Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) I'm sure it would be nice for Engineering to have Frag Grenade spread Dart/Railgun. If it did get it, Lightning and Concealment would want DoT spread too though, and we definitely don't want that now, do we? to begin, concealment is a single target dps, and it wouldn't really feel right for it to have the additional targets taking damage, in my own opinion. Lightning uses their affliction (the dot I'm assuming you mean, if I'm wrong, I apologize in advance) to get automatic crits, as well as is able to refresh it with two moves. this dot has boons already in hand. looking from a parsing perspective, in concealment poison damage from dart (i believe i am reading this right, again where I make mistakes correct me) it deals approximately 11-12% of total damage ( http://parsely.io/parser/view/50404/1 ) then in lightening the affliction takes up like 11% of the total damage ( http://parsely.io/parser/view/40603/1 ) . now lets look at engineering both electrified railgun and poisoned take up around 6-7% of total dps individually( http://parsely.io/parser/view/46240/2 ). what does this show? I mean look at them, they are all against dummies. but when you look into bosses in hm, Interestingly enough i found an even greater disparity between the other two compared to the engineering. (all were against ul as sadly parsley has no charts of engi going beyond that currently in hm (imo that is sad as the commanders is such an aoe fight)) so lets look at these parses. first in concealment - poisoned(corrosive dart)/poisoned(tech) together deals about 14.5%(7.2 and 5.5) of the dps here (a relatively big chunk trust me, you'll see) http://parsely.io/parser/view/44586/8 second in lightening - affliction makes up about 7% of total damage in that fight. http://parsely.io/parser/view/3928/16 third in engineering - electrified deals a total of 2.2 and dart like 2%(see how small they are in this fight?) http://parsely.io/parser/view/21038/18 So if I have properly gotten my point across, engineering, the aoe dot spec, known and made for aoe plus dots, has the two dots not taking up very much total dps. What I am trying to say is that it would be nice if one of these abilities (preferably railgun as virulence already has spreading of poisoned darts also as it looks cooler imo) would/could spread, allowing for them to be more useful in the whole aoe thing. also making engineering better at aoe. but also not going to lie, concealment's entire lack of any aoe(that is actually helpful/not finicky) sucks and a way to increase that would be nice, but i am pretty sure they do not want to deal with their single target having less damage. I mean, does this make any sense? or am I just crazy?? Ive played engi since launch and love it, and this question about there not being dot spreading has crossed my mind many times. Edited July 30, 2015 by XGabriel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camelpockets Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) First they need to make Frag grenade useful in general. The fact that the AoE only hits targets below strong targets (I think it's somewhere around there) makes it useless to use in PvE (pretty sure the AoE doesn't work in PvP either, but I never actually look around the target to find out). If they remove that requirement, then we can ask for the DoT Spread. Since Scatter Bombs has been nerfed (no longer useful as a significant damage filler) that little tweak would be a neat change. However, I don't really believe it's necessary anyways. The fact that Freighter/OS is still good to use with the spec more than makes up for it. Plus, Sweeping Gunfire is op in comparison to the other two Ranged AoEs (Not including Mortar Volley), so buffing the AoE damage dealt by Thermal Grenade might lead to a nerf in something else. Edited July 30, 2015 by Camelpockets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XGabriel Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) I entirely agree with you on that. the main problem is that since they introduced the scatter bombs they have just continually nerfed it down until it has already hit this point. in 3.0 when I saw that frag grenade would give railgun I was excited, but only to then read up that it was only it's main target and it had a similar issue where it could only hit normal and weak enemies as well as the main target. So far all they've done is decrease our aoe abilities. os before the nerf in engi was something to be feared. but now they have already weakened our role to offensive uselessness, so imo it would only be fair to give us back grenades. put it in the engineer's belt since that one was about frag grenades in the past (and grenades hitting things at lower levels is also nice). it would be nice as since rolling gave us such a boon if we could get any of it back via another move, so that we stay more relevant. Edited July 30, 2015 by XGabriel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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