Fleet Battles Round 1 Battle 2 Silenceo vs Beniboybling

[Beniboybling]

Due to the Multiple shields on the Lusankya, I'm pretty sure taking out the Bridge shield will be in the only shield you could take out... You'd have to retry that all over again to target the Cityscape.

 

Also, I thought you weren't allowed Stealth?

The Executor-class only had two shield generators mounted on the bridge, though it had several shield projectors scattered across the hull. Later models had a third shield generator mounted in the middle of the ship but the Lusankya was the 2nd Executor to be built. So I highly doubt it had that generator.

 

So taking out the bridge will destroy the generators and render the entire ship defenseless.

 

And I wasn't allowed stealth on my Vengeance-class, but given that the Merciless is unpowered in comparison with heavyweights like the Lusankya and whatever monster Aurbere chose as his capital ship it was allowed.

[Silenceo]

I also said i would only advance if you began to bombard me from afar with your cannon, not before. And i do remember stating that my Interceptors would be a bit behind the tie fighters, that would allow them to avoid most of the buzz droids.

 

The Lusankya would be able to take out the Vengeance frigates using its heavy concussion missile launchers that are very well equipped to obliterate capital grade armor. You also seem to be forgetting my frigates carry considerable firepower, and the fact that i have a bomber envoy consisting of 5 bomber squadrons *60 craft* the Punishing one, and Black squadron for an escort, targeting your mass drivers should the Merciless cloak, and after the fighters engaged.

 

So despite the fact i would not engage in this fashion, i have already set up contingencies in the case of such a battle. If the corvettes are as you say, at the forefront by the capital ships, again i have already stated that i would have my MK II's use tractor beams to immobilize, then finish them with turbo lasers. Once the corvettes are gone, and the missiles fired from the Lusankya, you will essentially be down several frigates and corvettes, while you have not even stated how you would kill my own corvettes who would be taking shots at your own fighters/bombs.

 

In the case that all of this does go down as you have explained it, then the Lusankya would be mortally wounded, but not dead *unless the explosion is able to tear the entire ship in half, but i doubt it* which would still leave me in the advantage.

 

 

 

 

By the end i imagine i would have only 1/5 of my fighters remaining, bombers all dead, Punishing one destroyed, 2 MK II's destroyed, 2 Strikes destroyed, and the Lusankya have failing systems and in need of nearly a year in dry dock.

 

Very costly, but i still can foresee that suicide strategy as a victory.

[Beniboybling]

I still don't think the Merciless is allowed stealth for this even though I know it has it. Plus the battle plan isn't completely a battle plan, much more like a summary of a battle that has already happened. It would only work if Silenceo practically reposts it but gives a different take on the outcome.

I see it as only fair. Plasma cannon or not the Lusankya has has five thousand weapons emplacements as do many other capital ships. Without that my fleet would simply be outclassed. You yourself said so.

 

And jeez cut me some slack here I'm trying my best. It is a battle plan, hold the line in until the Merciless blows up the Lusankya then charge, I've given fleet formations as well and dogfight strategies too. Its no more a battle plan than what Silenceo posted. But anyway I wasn't really for the idea anyway, as the saying goes no battle plan survives contact with the enemy. Still, I'm pretty happy with it.

[karadron]

Honestly, with how you make your fleet out to be it would not be right to give the Merciless stealth. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure only the freighters are allowed stealth, and only if they have the technology.

[Silenceo]

Though that plan of yours sounds like i am just blindly charge at you entrenched fleet, which i would not do, as i have explained in pages past. The Lusankya, even after it is mortally wounded by the explosion of the Merciless, would still have weapons control due to the secondary bridge. Shields or not, it is still one of the most heavily armored ships in the Galactic Empires entire Navy, and its losses to its batteries would be severe indeed, but it would still be able to put quite a dent in a few of those Keldabes, which is all i would need.

[Beniboybling]

Honestly, with how you make your fleet out to be it would not be right to give the Merciless stealth. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure only the freighters are allowed stealth, and only if they have the technology.

Can we just be civil people? I have a feeling that you guys actually want me to lose. Leave the decision up to Rayla.

[LadyKulvax]

 

Yeh if the Merciless or an even larger Keldabe dive bombed the bridge tower, the Lusankya is crippled if not destroyed altogether.

 

Also, i made the judgement way back at the start that if the Lusankya made things simply too damn hard, then Beni gets his cloaking device.

Edited October 6, 2013 by LadyKulvax

[karadron]

Can we just be civil people? I have a feeling that you guys actually want me to lose. Leave the decision up to Rayla.

 

Yeah sorry about that I didn't realize how bad that sounded until after I posted it. I'm not feeling the best right now, I have like a cold or something so I'm a little on the derpside right now with how my brains working.

[Beniboybling]

Though that plan of yours sounds like i am just blindly charge at you entrenched fleet, which i would not do, as i have explained in pages past. The Lusankya, even after it is mortally wounded by the explosion of the Merciless, would still have weapons control due to the secondary bridge. Shields or not, it is still one of the most heavily armored ships in the Galactic Empires entire Navy, and its losses to its batteries would be severe indeed, but it would still be able to put quite a dent in a few of those Keldabes, which is all i would need.

I'm pretty sure having the cityscape blasted by a plasma cannon and them rammed into by an exploding mega-brick with no shields would probably destroy that secondary bridge. Or else just rip a big enough hole in the vessel to render it useless. Though a contingency plan would be sending in the Blastboat's to clean up.

 

And I'd say the cityscape looks pretty vulnerable. I mean those plated parts look pretty reinforced but I don't know about those buildings. Also remembering that a single fighter blew up the unshielded bridge.

[Silenceo]

Like i stated before, this is not the way i would advance, i would advance so that the majority of my weapons came into range at the same time, and so that not all of Beni's would. That is why when i discussed this a few pages ago i mentioned how if i must attack, i would have all of my ships angle to the side, to stay close to the Lusankya's broad side, thought this also causes Beni to need to re-position his own ships in relation to my own.

 

Though it would not be a quick approach, it would allow me to maintain my broadside for maximum effect and not expose my MK II's before the Lusankya is ready to engage.

[Silenceo]

If you are referring to in the movies where a fighter destroyed the executor, that was because all of the shields were down and the star fighter flew straight into the bridge. Not really a fear considering the same could have been done with anything, just so happened to be that kamikaze pilot.

 

Also, if one of the larger ships attempts to Kamikazi the Lusankya, wouldn't that put them right in the center of all 5000 guns? That is quite a bit of firepower that could hit a large target. The one in the video fast enough, and the fighters seemed to disabled enough of the guns, to be able to ran that fast into the ship with its shields down. Also, did that ship that rammed into it, just jump out of light speed and maintained a decent amount of its speed? For a large ship not using a hyper drive, such a thing will be difficult to replicate.

 

However, how far would a Keldabe or the Merciless get if it was focused by all 5000 guns at once?

 

Also, is it possible for a tractor beam to reverse its polarity to push instead of pull? If so, that could be used with all 40 tractor beams to slow the incoming vessel even more giving the 5000 guns more time to obliterate the Kamikazi.

Edited October 6, 2013 by Silenceo

[Beniboybling]

I also said i would only advance if you began to bombard me from afar with your cannon, not before. And i do remember stating that my Interceptors would be a bit behind the tie fighters, that would allow them to avoid most of the buzz droids.

 

The Lusankya would be able to take out the Vengeance frigates using its heavy concussion missile launchers that are very well equipped to obliterate capital grade armor. You also seem to be forgetting my frigates carry considerable firepower, and the fact that i have a bomber envoy consisting of 5 bomber squadrons *60 craft* the Punishing one, and Black squadron for an escort, targeting your mass drivers should the Merciless cloak, and after the fighters engaged.

 

So despite the fact i would not engage in this fashion, i have already set up contingencies in the case of such a battle. If the corvettes are as you say, at the forefront by the capital ships, again i have already stated that i would have my MK II's use tractor beams to immobilize, then finish them with turbo lasers. Once the corvettes are gone, and the missiles fired from the Lusankya, you will essentially be down several frigates and corvettes, while you have not even stated how you would kill my own corvettes who would be taking shots at your own fighters/bombs.

 

In the case that all of this does go down as you have explained it, then the Lusankya would be mortally wounded, but not dead *unless the explosion is able to tear the entire ship in half, but i doubt it* which would still leave me in the advantage.

 

 

 

 

By the end i imagine i would have only 1/5 of my fighters remaining, bombers all dead, Punishing one destroyed, 2 MK II's destroyed, 2 Strikes destroyed, and the Lusankya have failing systems and in need of nearly a year in dry dock.

 

Very costly, but i still can foresee that suicide strategy as a victory.

Apologies if my scenario is not perfect (which really is a good thing for you) but I have only so much brainpower.

 

Anyway, I could debate all these points but like I said we've done so at great length. All I'm posting here is a battle strategy, ship-to-ship combat is just something I think I will win, and your just going to have to accept that.

 

Though I'll counter a few new points, the Interceptors may not get caught in the buzz droid field but the TIEs will and I expect them to do significant damage to its not exactly durable looking frame. And with TIEs spiraling out of control they may even crash. And that's without taking into account the fact that the StarVipers are superior in terms of arms and agility, and probably a match for if not better than the interceptors. They'll also capitalise on the confusion it causes to quickly reverse (which they can do extremely well) and open fire at their rears. All the while the corvettes will be splattering them with laser cannons. I don't fancy their odds.

 

And then of course we have the Blastboats rushing in and finishing them off with a spray of concussion missile launchers. Really as long as the bombers get through they've done their job.

 

Concerning tractor beams, the corvettes aren't going anywhere anyway so the effect will be nill. And sure they can shoot at them but the enemy can shoot back so *shrug* not much more to be said their. However I would point out that the corvettes are not vital and focusing energy of them will only be giving the larger ships reprieve.

 

And as far as I'm aware, you were going to engage in that fashion. You were going to make your ships into a triangle and then basically attack, sending in your fighters to boom boom boom and all that. Really I don't think anyone's plans are going to be anymore complex than attack. And essentially mine is one of hunkering down, so the manner in which you attack has little effect on my strategy.

 

And finally I did state how I will destroy your corvettes, taking down your SDs and then blasting them. But again no battle plan survives contact with the enemy, I cannot give you a solid strategy of my factions every move. They will have to adapt on the fly depending on what your faction is doing and attacking. All I can present is general strategies as to how my faction will most likely mount their offensive and defensive. I'm deliberately using general terms.

 

Also if my scenario comes across as some kind of ROFLstomp, that's only because I'm not going to throw you any bones by saying "but half my fleet will be destroyed because of X, Y and Z." Of course I plan on taking heavy losses.

 

P.S. I think that video also proves the vulnerability of the cityscape.

Edited October 6, 2013 by Beniboybling

[Beniboybling]

 

Yeh if the Merciless or an even larger Keldabe dive bombed the bridge tower, the Lusankya is crippled if not destroyed altogether.

 

Also, i made the judgement way back at the start that if the Lusankya made things simply too damn hard, then Beni gets his cloaking device.

Excelsior!

[Beniboybling]

If you are referring to in the movies where a fighter destroyed the executor, that was because all of the shields were down and the star fighter flew straight into the bridge. Not really a fear considering the same could have been done with anything, just so happened to be that kamikaze pilot.

 

Also, if one of the larger ships attempts to Kamikazi the Lusankya, wouldn't that put them right in the center of all 5000 guns? That is quite a bit of firepower that could hit a large target. The one in the video fast enough, and the fighters seemed to disabled enough of the guns, to be able to ran that fast into the ship with its shields down. Also, did that ship that rammed into it, just jump out of light speed and maintained a decent amount of its speed? For a large ship not using a hyper drive, such a thing will be difficult to replicate.

 

However, how far would a Keldabe or the Merciless get if it was focused by all 5000 guns at once?

 

Also, is it possible for a tractor beam to reverse its polarity to push instead of pull? If so, that could be used with all 40 tractor beams to slow the incoming vessel even more giving the 5000 guns more time to obliterate the Kamikazi.

I think your forgetting the part where the Merciless appears out of nowhere thanks to stealth tech and open fire. Effectively similar to jumping out of light speed. The bridge will be down in seconds and in that window of opportunity (the Executor was "stunned" enough to fall out of the sky) it will shoot at the cityscape below and then (maybe) ram it. Even if the guns fire up I don't think they can destroy a cruiser of its size quite fast enough.

 

And I think in general the force of a lightspeed propelled small cruiser is matched by a plasma cannon followed by a vessel possibly three times as large self destructing on impact. That is a whole lot of boom.

 

And with the confusion the loss of the bridge and the plasma shot to the cityscape will cause (which might just take out the secondary command center) the last thing they will be doing is activating tractor beams. The crew of the Executor didn't even have the sense to pull up when it was tugged into the Death Star.

[Silenceo]

How devistating were the buzz droids in the clone wars? These are not a new threat to the Empire, in fact, once deployed they are not too hard to see and avoid. Though, it is worth to note that Though TIE fighters only have half the armor of your vipers, they do have a, hard to *grab onto* frame, game mechanics aside *in the game those things are indeed lethal*.

 

Just think about this for a second, they were deadly, but not exactly the worst thing that the Republic faced in the clone wars when engaging enemy fighters, and often the buzz droids were able to clamp down about halfway down the jedi's ship. Now look at the Tie Fighter. Other than the cockpit that is all lines, no half way. It will also be difficult for the buzz droids to grab onto the sides of one, due to the fact they are just hanging in space with no known propulsion system, as well as how quickly the fighter is passing by.

 

While effective, the buzz droids i do not believe will mean catastrophic failure the TIE fighters.

 

Alright, lets play that scenario along a bit, shall we? How long do you estimate it will take the Merciless to get into position, let alone build up speed? The entire time it is making its voyage, the Lusankya is happily bombarding your fleet. Do remember that the Aggressor Class star destroyers were cumbersome and not exactly much on speed.

 

Though, it does occur to me that perhaps the bombers that came in, in that video, had hit the reactor, which would explain the instantaneous explosion.

 

How fast do you think they need to shoot up again? Considering that if you start too low, you will have no momentum for a ram, too high and you will already be riddled with laser bolts. Not to mention it has to change cause after firing at the bridge *which i still am skeptical about a single shot taking out the shields of the bridge*

 

In the Bacta War novel, Rogue Squadron hit The Lusankya, the same exact ship i am using, with several hundred proton torpedos, plus the pounding from 2 Imperial MK II's and an Alderanian War Frigate, and the most the were able to do was blow the bow off and convince it to surrender. I understand that is not nearly as much firepower as there is potentially here, but still, i would think that it would be able to survive a collision with the Merciless due to its lack of speed. However, the shield strength, while it is useless against the mass drivers, is NOT useless against the ion/plasma. I would give it 3-5 blasts survived at least, if the shields are at full strength when the Merciless attacks from stealth. Giving the gunners plenty of time to bombard it.

 

Also, i just asked a friend who played that game about the corvette they rammed into the SSD in the video, is it true that it was filled with explosives?

Edited October 6, 2013 by Silenceo

[karadron]

The biggest problem it looks like is: "how hard is it to destroy a super star destroyer?"

[Silenceo]

To know that, we need to know 2 things:

 

1. How long was the battle of Endor *up to the point the Executor took a nose dive*

 

2. How many ships did the rebels have pounding away at its shields?

[Selenial]

To know that, we need to know 2 things:

 

1. How long was the battle of Endor *up to the point the Executor took a nose dive*

 

2. How many ships did the rebels have pounding away at its shields?

 

Pretty sure it was the entire fleet...

 

And they had a lot of ships (10+ Nebulons, MC80's, (all 3 versions) and multiple different Mon Cal cruisers, battleships, destroyers... The whole bunch.

Edited October 6, 2013 by Selenial

[Silenceo]

Yes, but how many of each of them? We need to know that so we can take that amount of fire power, and how long it took them to bring down the shields, and then plug in Beni's firepower, and see how long it would take comparatively.

 

The destruction of the Lusankya appears as if it requires the Merciless to beat down the shields around the bridge, shoot the bridge *taking out the shield generators in aoe* and then dive bomb the city scape, correct? Yet to figure that out, we would have to estimate how many shots it would take, how high the Merciless would need to be to have time to build up speed, and how effective all those guns on a slow moving craft would be.

Edited October 6, 2013 by Silenceo

[Selenial]

Yes, but how many of each of them? We need to know that so we can take that amount of fire power, and how long it took them to bring down the shields, and then plug in Beni's firepower, and see how long it would take comparatively.

 

The destruction of the Lusankya appears as if it requires the Merciless to beat down the shields around the bridge, shoot the bridge *taking out the shield generators in aoe* and then dive bomb the city scape, correct? Yet to figure that out, we would have to estimate how many shots it would take, how high the Merciless would need to be to have time to build up speed, and how effective all those guns on a slow moving craft would be.

 

We don't know. We just know there were 4 Mc80 Home one's, and 4 of the other 2 classes of MC80's (Liberties and Liberty Wingless'), along with an MC80a. We know there was over 10 Nebulons, but no more precise... Oh, and loads of other types of craft.

 

Either way, LOADS of firepower.

 

And aren't the Executor shields too spread out for an Aoe attack like that?

Edited October 6, 2013 by Selenial

[Xakthul]

Exploitation of Executor shields is similar to how to kill those Rebel Freighters (the Bright Hope, etc)

 

 

They both can be killed just by knocking out bridge shields. But..... Power to knock out Executor bridge shield = 10000x the power to kill Bright Hope bridge shield.

[Silenceo]

 

Those are the ships that survived the assault, it is from a distance, so hard to classify. However, now that we have a rough idea of how much fire power it took, any idea how LONG it took?

 

And i mention aoe attack because he would be targeting the Lusankya's bridge with his Ion/plasma giant cannon things, and idk if the shield generators are close enough to the bridge to caught in the same blast. If not, the shields in the mid-section of the ship that he would try to kamikazi would still be operational.

 

If i remember correctly, isn't the bridge at the bottom of the cross of the T? and the generators atop the T?

Edited October 6, 2013 by Silenceo

[Selenial]

Would the Merciless even have the power to get through the shields? I'm not sure...

[Silenceo]

Well, you have to give credit to that weapon, it is IMMENSELY devestating if used correctly, from range. HOWEVER if it gets in close like this, i do not think it possible for the Merciless to drop the shields before it is a scrap itself. Not even to discuss how long it would take for it to re-angle itself and build up speed to ram the mid section.

[Selenial]

Well, you have to give credit to that weapon, it is IMMENSELY devestating if used correctly, from range. HOWEVER if it gets in close like this, i do not think it possible for the Merciless to drop the shields before it is a scrap itself. Not even to discuss how long it would take for it to re-angle itself and build up speed to ram the mid section.

 

That second part is something we need to think about.