Fleet Battles Round 1 Battle 2 Silenceo vs Beniboybling

[Silenceo]

If i remember right, it nose dived due to the planets gravity pulling them in, and did not have time to reach the secondary bridge, so did not have time to re-engage the engines. We do not know the battle field here, but i do not think there is a planet nearby.

[Beniboybling]

If i remember right, it nose dived due to the planets gravity pulling them in, and did not have time to reach the secondary bridge, so did not have time to re-engage the engines. We do not know the battle field here, but i do not think there is a planet nearby.

Yes but its navigation systems failed which I assume lead it to falling into the gravity field. If it did have a backup bridge that shouldn't have happened. I mean secondary bridges were not actually common, and there is no evidence of the SSD having one.

 

Here is what I found however on Wookieepedia:

 

SD: The command deck was also a vulnerability, as the ship's operations were coordinated there.

 

SSD: Although the command tower stood arrogantly exposed above the Executor's superstructure, the ship's shielding system, which matched the power output of a medium star, kept it sufficiently protected from attack, making such Imperial pretentiousness a possibility.

 

No reference to a second bridge either, I'll admit that the bridge is heavily shielded. But its a vulnerability.

[Selenial]

Before the secondary command center could regain control of the ship, the Executor was caught by the second Death Star's gravity well, and was consequently pulled toward the battle station. It then crashed into the surface of the Death Star, exploding into a ball of fire and killing every remaining officer and crewman on board.

 

Having the Secondary bridge take control takes longer if there is no primary bridge to communicate with, however I assume weapons batteries still function etc, and there is no Death Star to suck the ship in, so the Lusankya here will not have this Issue.

 

 

Source = ROTJ Novel.

Edited October 5, 2013 by Selenial

[Silenceo]

I can not pinpoint it, but if i remember correctly, i remember reading about secondary bridges in the X-Wing series where they were undercover, posing as imperials on a captured frigate using TIE fighters. It has been nearly five years or so since i have read those, so i may have forgotten the specifics, but i do remember them being mentioned.

[karadron]

Can any source confirm this? The Executor nose-dived when its bridge was destroyed.

 

Pretty sure it was from one of the cross-section books, but it's been a long time since I've looked at one of those.

[Beniboybling]

Before the secondary command center could regain control of the ship, the Executor was caught by the second Death Star's gravity well, and was consequently pulled toward the battle station. It then crashed into the surface of the Death Star, exploding into a ball of fire and killing every remaining officer and crewman on board.

 

Having the Secondary bridge take control takes longer if there is no primary bridge to communicate with, however I assume weapons batteries still function etc, and there is no Death Star to suck the ship in, so the Lusankya here will not have this Issue.

 

 

Source = ROTJ Novel.

Well that confirms the SSD, but can the same be said for a SD?

[Beniboybling]

OK I just realised I haven't chosen by standard fighter complements. Apparently I can do whatever the hell I want and to be quite honest, I'm in the mood to do just that. Skipspray blastboats you say? Don't be silly.

 

I think I'd rather TIE/D Defenders, all 72 of them.

[Silenceo]

Do you not have to stay true to your faction? Because i have seen not even a single instance of the Consortium using Tie Advanced.

[Beniboybling]

Do you not have to stay true to your faction? Because i have seen not even a single instance of the Consortium using Tie Advanced.

They did, the Consortium captured a great deal of vessels from both the Empire, including TIE/D Defender.

[Silenceo]

BS.

 

From the original thread about this series, quite specific actually.

 

*No you can't bypass this with the Zann Consortium, lol we stole those ships so we can use them deal.

 

Link so you can see for yourself not out of context

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=682996

Edited October 5, 2013 by Silenceo

[Beniboybling]

BS.

 

From the original thread about this series, quite specific actually.

 

*No you can't bypass this with the Zann Consortium, lol we stole those ships so we can use them deal.

The Merciless and the Vengeance were stolen from the Empire as well. Are we going to ban them too?

 

The Zann Consortium is a crime organisation, they don't acquire things illegally.

Edited October 5, 2013 by Beniboybling

[Silenceo]

Considering the Merciless and the Vengeance class were not used much by the empire, just were prototypes, and they were standard units for the Consortium, they are allowed, is my understanding anyways.

[Beniboybling]

Considering the Merciless and the Vengeance class were not used much by the empire, just were prototypes, and they were standard units for the Consortium, they are allowed, is my understanding anyways.

Well whatever, I'll leave Rayla to make a judgement.

[LadyKulvax]

Fighters are fine, but saying you have an SSD or any main Imperial Star Destroyer just because Zann nicked it, wouldn't have been acceptable, it was more about the main ships than the smaller ones.

[karadron]

I would have been fine with that, but the rules are not in your favor here.

[Beniboybling]

Fighters are fine, but saying you have an SSD or any main Imperial Star Destroyer just because Zann nicked it, wouldn't have been acceptable, it was more about the main ships than the smaller ones.

OK, I guess that refers to the Eclipse and the Immobolisers as well.

[Silenceo]

He can use TIE defenders? Despite the fact there is no time that I have seen that they have used them in battle? If nothing else, don't ties require specific hanger equipment to be able to dock and launch, and it is not standard across all star ships?

 

That is almost like saying i could use Skip rays since the Empire purchased some in a small amount and used them in some of the fleets. Or even the Crusader corvette, since the Empire bought some of them for escort duty in the Maw system.

Edited October 5, 2013 by Silenceo

[Aurbere]

OK, I guess that refers to the Eclipse and the Immobolisers as well.

 

Eclipse = instant rage quit

[Beniboybling]

He can use TIE defenders? Despite the fact there is no time that I have seen that they have used them in battle? If nothing else, don't ties require specific hanger equipment to be able to dock and launch, and it is not standard across all star ships?

Then you simply haven't progressed in the campaign far enough, the Consortium captures them during a battle over Corulag and from that point onwards you can manufacture them at your space stations, I myself used them just today in EaW. And the Consortium fleets don't have hangars as I said a while back. All their fighters have hyperspace capabilities and drop out with the main fleet.

[LadyKulvax]

Beni, just use your main fighters, they are more than enough OP anyway, leave the TIEs out of it.

[Silenceo]

If you do not have hangers, then you have no right to the TIE Defenders in the first place, since it is stated that they are compliment to the Keldabe, and compliments to capital ships tend to be stored in hangers.

[Beniboybling]

Beni, just use your main fighters, they are more than enough OP anyway, leave the TIEs out of it.

Well if its going to cause a ruckus.

[Beniboybling]

OK, my final scenario:

 

As soon as the battle commences the Consortium Fleet holds its ground as the enemy advances, positioning its corvettes amongst the larger ships but at the forefront so they can effectively tackle fighters without exposure. The Kelbade's take up the middle while the Vengeance-class frigates screen them in a fan formation to ensure maximum range of their quadruple mass driver cannons. Meanwhile the Merciless cloaks and advances on the enemy.

 

As the SDs come into range they fall under fire from mass driver cannons which focus firepower on the forward batteries to impede their range. As the other vessels come into range the Consortium fleet holds the line, the Kelbades firing their shield leechers to maximize the damage output, pairs of Vengeance and Kelbades focusing on an SD each. As the enemy fighter swarms move in the Consortium deploys its StarVipers, which rush to engage the enemy, releasing a screen of buzz droids into their flight path and sowing discord before rapidly maneuvering about to open fire from behind. While the corvettes open fire on the squadrons in disarray.

 

With the enemies fighter numbers severely thinned, the Blastboats move in, activating sensor jammers and unleashing sprays of concussion missile fire they easily past through relatively unscathed and unleash a payload of proton torpedo launchers on the enemies SDs, adding to the surmounting hailfire and dealing crippling damage, leaving several of the corvettes and frigates exposed.

 

The enemy quickly draws within full range of the Consortium's fleets however and with the Lusankya in support bombard the enemy and deal heavy damage. However the success is short lived as the Merciless suddenly decloaks before the Lusankya, rapidly charging its megaweapon to unleash a combined energy shot of plasma and ion energy directly at the primary bridge, the overwhelming power of the blast rips straight through the Lusankya's deflector shields and destroys the bridge, taking down the shield generators with it and leaving the ship exposed. In that brief window of confusion the Merciless aims at the cityscape and unleashes another volley of fire before (if necessary) performing a kamikaze strike, activating its self destruct sequence on impact and bringing the Lusankya down.

 

With the SSD defeated the remaining fleet breaks formation and rushe the enemy, flanking them at close quarters considerably increases the effectiveness of their mass drivers cannons. With little fighters left to protect themselves from the Skipspray blast boats and with the loss of the Lusanyka the remaining vessels are torn apart.

 

I think we've covered ship-to-ship capabilities in depth so I see no real reason to continue that discussion, but any other arguments etc. are I suppose welcome. Though I think its soon time we call this.

[Selenial]

Due to the Multiple shields on the Lusankya, I'm pretty sure taking out the Bridge shield will be in the only shield you could take out... You'd have to retry that all over again to target the Cityscape.

 

Also, I thought you weren't allowed Stealth?

[karadron]

I still don't think the Merciless is allowed stealth for this even though I know it has it.

Plus the battle plan isn't completely a battle plan, much more like a summary of a battle that has already happened. It would only work if Silenceo practically reposts it but gives a different take on the outcome.

Edited October 6, 2013 by karadron