Plicitous Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 With Zen arguably being less useful than pre-2.0, and Dispatch getting buffed considerably, I''m wondering if it might be worth it for Combat Sentinels who focus on elder game PVE to put enough points into the Focus tree to reach Swift Slash for the sole purpose of increasing the crit rate of Dispatch by 7.5%. To make it possible, we'd have to sacrifice a point in Valor. I'm imagining something along the lines of 4/36/6. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeVadder Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Interesting idea.... will have to think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ThEoNe- Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Can't comment on Combat Sentinel yet, but i know it seems worth it for Vigi Guardian for sure. You would miss out on some stuff in early watchman tree though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelaias Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I think this may be just the thing for pvp too. Zen is less useful and can be accumulated passively during momentary lulls. Too bad it doesn't affect blade rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuffystuffs Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) I think this may be just the thing for pvp too. Zen is less useful and can be accumulated passively during momentary lulls. Too bad it doesn't affect blade rush. I don't like the build in the OP for PvP...no Displacement or Debilitation. I wouldn't give that up for the points in Focus. Zen might not be as useful but Transcendence still is (though it's super easy to get 30 centering now out of combat but otherwise I'd rather have increased Centering building). The build might be fine for PVE...I haven't done much of it on my Sent yet. Edited April 23, 2013 by stuffystuffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plicitous Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Zen might not be as useful but Transcendence still is (though it's super easy to get 30 centering now out of combat but otherwise I'd rather have increased Centering building). I'm a fan of Transcendence as well but DPS comes first. Any buff to Dispatch deserves serious consideration because it's something that happens many, many times a boss fight thanks to the Hand of Justice proc. Is a moderately less frequent Zen/Transcendance worth more than a 7.5% increase in the crit rate to a hard-hitting ability we use multiple times in every major engagement? I sincerely doubt it. Dispatch hits very hard. Edited April 23, 2013 by Plicitous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoliteAssasin Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Zen is more useful now than it was before. 30% alacrity boost on all attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelaias Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Zen is more useful now than it was before. 30% alacrity boost on all attacks. Not master strike afaik and which attacks do you use with it now that you wouldn't/couldn't before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarethRiker Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Not sure. In the worst case scenario you use zen with strike to quickly build focus which you can then dump into blade rushes. In the best case scenario you have the 4 piece challenger set bonus and are getting a 4% damage increase on 3x bladerush and 1 bladestorm. It is possible the dispatch is a higher damage output, I'm just not certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelaias Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 It's a waste to use zen to build up focus. In pvp at best you would use it as before having accumulated focus beforehand. The loss of root is an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elear Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 It's a waste to use zen to build up focus. Only(!) time when it's waste to use zen charges for focus generation is when you have active precision or are trying to quickly burst healer down(and for that you should have focus stocked up anyway). Any other scenario results in same amount of damage over same amount of time, as you have to build up that focus at some point anyway. Heck, using focus builders first, eating up Zen charges allows following focus spenders to generate centering, and thus use Zen more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plicitous Posted April 24, 2013 Author Share Posted April 24, 2013 Zen is more useful now than it was before. 30% alacrity boost on all attacks. t's not like you'd no longer get that boost. You just wouldn't get it as often. The difference between non-crit and crit with Dispatch can be quite significant and I'm guessing a 7.5% boost to the crit rate for Dispatch is probably enough to grant an extra crit every boss fight. Pure speculation without parses of course, I'm just spit-balling.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuffystuffs Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I'm a fan of Transcendence as well but DPS comes first. Any buff to Dispatch deserves serious consideration because it's something that happens many, many times a boss fight thanks to the Hand of Justice proc. Is a moderately less frequent Zen/Transcendance worth more than a 7.5% increase in the crit rate to a hard-hitting ability we use multiple times in every major engagement? I sincerely doubt it. Dispatch hits very hard. You could be right for PVE. I haven't had a chance to parse with my Sent yet, unfortunately, and haven't tried any of these. My post was in reply to someone discussing the build for PVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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