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The damage isn't so much the issue as the AOE part is. it simply did too much damage to too many players. It is easy to set up, hard to heal through, and mass groups of smashers just compounded the issue. that's why people screamed nerf, not so much the 6k+ hits (which most classes can also do)
Perhaps raise group heals or give every class an ability that reduces aoe damage received for a limited time. The whole point of focus was to be an AOE build. So therefore it was hitting many like the AOE is meant to. But I do see your point.
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So I've never really understood the whole complaining of the smash class. In 2.0 the build was significantly nerfed for the constant complaints about how the damage was OP and needed to be rid of. I simply like the fact of builds doing their jobs against other builds that can equally put out. Well you got your wishes which I am deeply saddened by. I Have a 50 sentinel, 50 mercenary and a 50 sin, I have played both against and with the smash/sweep build before and I think it is simply a well designed and effective at its purpose skill tree. The build itself didn't need to be nerfed but other trees in all classes needed better synergy just like the smash build. The fact is in 2 stuns a sentinel/Mara is in serious trouble as well as against any CC. I don't want this to be a L2P issue however the simple fact is, the smash build did its job well and effectively and due to the complaining it was nerfed. In my mind you don't fix something that is broken, which it wasn't at all, the other classes and builds needed to be fixed and more powerful so that a healer can be equally good at healing against a dps. Or a combat vs focus build have an equal footing on damage just in different ways. The smash build should have never been really nerfed other than the focus on single target damage and other classes should have just been more balanced and buffed to an equal level.
/discuss
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I hate the nerf as well. I would have much preferred everyone else getting buffed while we stay relatively the same. Especially for focus builds which should not have had the damage so nerfed but simply made more counters for the other classes to help contain the aoe damage.
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Well, bioware didn't show that they learned with their mistakes. They just seem to keep repeating everything and hoping it will eventually be a success.
To quote a character from a game that I am enjoying quite a lot now
"madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expect things to change"
Off topic: The definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Vass in Farcry 3 talks about it.
On topic: personally I'm not sure what to think. pvp should have more updates really. It seems to be the most popular things to do in swtor. Sometimes I feel as if they truly don't care much anymore but simply are milking the cow as much as they can till it falls over and dies.
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Spoilers incoming, but I use a spoiler tag ^^
Jedi Knights don't kill the emperor, you kill the voice of the emperor... Said so in the warrior story.
Sorry didn't know how to do that
but even though I feel as if Revan wouldn't be connected in the future with the emperor. -
No specific class story progression. However in the expansion there is a story where you can ally with the cartel or go against them. Each player has that chkice
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Revan was a powerful force user so if he did die he should have became one with the force. And I imagine he's not at peace since the Emperor is still alive. So we may see him again.
Spoilers incoming******************
Jedi knight story the emperor dies. So that doesent add up.
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As far as Sages/Sorcs go, 90% of them don't know how to play. They mindlessly spam their defensive maneuvers like a valley girl swinging her purse in hopes that the bad person would just go away. Or worse - they facetank the Marauder hoping to win a DPS race with him in melee.
Perfect sum up of people playing classes the way they are not meant to be played. Like an assassin without stealth. A sorc wanting to pull off dps and do more damage than sent/Mara. The simple answer is you can't, in this game and many MMOs classes are based on play style. I've seen a sorc keep up with healing to a mars/sent however they cannot and never will be able to beat the Mara/sent dps wise because it is not meant to be played in that way.
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After having leveled this character and others to 50 and studied the builds thoroughly I have come to the conclusion that this damage is not OP at all. The issue was its effect with expertise which is supposedly going to be fixed in 2.0 . Back to my original point that this class simply has a very balanced and very well synced out build. While others do not which is the primary issue. Almost no work needs to be done to this class except maybe for watchman spec. The other classes is where the work needs to be focused so that every class and every build has the potential to be as effective as the smash/sweep build. Because of the recent popularity with the class everyone wants it nerfed even though it was simply a well thought out build/skill tree that is perfectly synced and does the job it is supposed to do.
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Agreed mainly on the hard stuns and instant stuns. It's almost ridiculous for someone in a WZ to win a 1v1 match and have the CC break on cool down when another person starts fighting you and the ability to win is very slim. When it comes to builds and classes I'd say mercenary dps needs love but other than that the builds do not bother me as much since they can all be necessarily countered. In many games when a build that works fantastic is discovered and publicized everyone wants it nerfed. The smash focus build doesent phase me due to its simply a well thought out build. Other builds should have the potential to be as equal in power in different ways. Again, stuns, definently the worst issue.
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You'd think with 100 pages they would do something.
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Definently agree with the fact the new skill trees haven't been worked out. Theory builds haven't taken wind yet and all we have is experiments and first hand knowledge to go off of.
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I hope to God EWH gear becomes worthless. There are 5 more levels and new tiers of gear to be introduced in the expansion. I don't want to be using the same damn gear I've been using for the past few months.
100% ^ this
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Did you just ask BW to nerf Merc dps in PvP? Please research more before posting something like this.
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Researching into these patch notes for 2.0 it seems like many classes were not heavily nerfed to the point where they become less worthy of a teammate. Also thankfully the Mercenary class looks like it may find its way back into the PvP pool. With more escapes and better scaling with heat cycles they may now prove worthy amongst the higher ranked WZ teams. Agree or disagree? Or perhaps the other classes still will be punishing us to the ground? Discuss!
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From reviewing the patch notes on the test server, I'm not quite sure if this is what we needed to increase our PvP effectiveness as a DPS spec. Could anyone else give some insight on their own opinions on this update?
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This is truly a worthy endeavor. I've been playing a arsenal merc since day 1. Granted I have my bad days in pvp, but I also have my good days. Situational awareness is very key for Mercs. Save your defensive cool downs if a melee jumps on top of ya. Stick to the edge of combat, I usually try to find something I can LoS around. I'm not full elite, but full War hero and if you play smart, you can definitely do some major dmg to people. Lately, my rotation as arsenal has been the following.
Tracer Missile x3 (Unload on barrage proc), explosive dart, heatseeker, and then railshot. I use the explosive dart there because it will go off by the time I use railshot. The end result is mass quick dmg burst which probably sends my target into a panic, due to the major loss of hp. I also have power shot and missile blast on hand. Powershot if tracer is locked. Missile blast because if a melee is on you, you need to be putting distance between you and them; missile blast is instant, use it sparingly, but it does enough dmg that it may help you survive.
I also pick my targets in this order: light armor, medium, and lastly heavy armor. I usually single out healers, mainly cause if I start putting the pressure on them, then their heals aren't reaching their teammates.
Huttball tips: 1st off your not a ball carrier, if someone throws the ball to you it better be cause your in the In-zone. Otherwise they just painted a pretty big bullseye on your back that says "free kill". I switch to my healing stance when my team has the ball, spamming rapid shots on the carrier for heals and I also have my cleanse on standbye. 2nd, while on the defensive, I try to stick to the catwalks focus firing down healers and the enemy carrier.
Civil War: I love hanging on the balconies around the middle cannon, stick to the edges of the raised platforms on the side cannons in case you need to LoS.
Voidstar: You are a AoE machine, sweeping blasters, explosive dart, DFA, Fusion Missile. Utilize these while defending. Use terrain for LoS.
Hypergate: The bunker is your playground, Use the cube in the middle of the room for LoS. Pick off healers as always.
Obviously pocket heals are always nice, but in most cases I'm working alone so have your healing abilities on standbye as well as a good med pack.
I really appreciate the advice. Being required to play smart and use your environment is something I love to do as for me it makes me a better player than just running into the fight swinging.
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I have a good set of individuals in my guild that will assist me in this endeavor even if it provides poor results. We're hoping for the best but I won't have to worry about not being able to get on a team thankfully.
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Looks like ill be going a pyro build then. When it comes to heat control is there any difference in major PvP compared to PvE? Not sure with pyro if its quick burn and then sit out until heat cools off or if its manageable to simply maintain heat over a good period of time.
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Thanks for the tips! I'd really like to try to prove that merc has the ability to be effective in PvP. Also is the Arsenal merc build the most standard for PvP or has anyone else tried any other dps builds?
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So after reading and hearing the banter of how bad mercs are at PvP (being mostly involved in PvP in all games) I've decided to try to make an effective mercenary in ranked WZs as I have played many classes as well as the mercenary to 50 and I see much potential. I'm curious your thoughts and advice to assist me on attempting to play this class in pvp as a DPS spec effectively.
Thanks.
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The best weapons of lore are your own weapons in my opinion. That's the best part of modding, you feel as if your saber (or other chosen custom wep) is your own as well as your own legacy.
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I have read many people complaining how the community is, however on many RP servers whether they are RpPvP or just RP. Many groups and guilds from opposite factions meet up in different areas, such as Nar Shadda or Outlaws Den on Tatooine. I started on Jung Ma with never really having much trouble with the community at all. im just curious why people are complaining so much on the lack of community.
Also, i picked this area of the forums since I've seen the majority of the RP players in this area.
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Depends nearly entirely on skill, timing, and how well you built your build. I've seen juggernauts destroy marauders. And marauders destroy juggernauts. It can be done either way. I disagree that one of the classes would completely outperform the other.
The build contemplation. Discussion.
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