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WoW is full of really silly cash shop items because they even see the point in FTP models. AND in order to get more young subs, they've forced themselves into making a game that is combining Kung Fu Panda and Pokemon. I would rather have a semi-serious game that is FTP than pay $15 a month for that.
Blizzard had Pandaren and monks long before that jack black animated movie everyone is so ignorantly claiming wow stole the idea from. Hell Burning Crusade was going to have Pandaren as a race and monk as a class but they scraped the plans for it due to china pitching a fit.
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Money made overall by games using a subs based system: roughly 20 millions / month
(half of that sum being WoW btw)
Money made overall by games using a F2P system: several hundred millions / month.
What you see as something negative is in fact something positive.
For the game, for the players, for Bioware.
Thanks for your attention, and here's your pachute, have fun with it.
Still does not change the fact that most sub based games that went F2P has completely died shortly there after.
prime example, City of heroes. Best F2P model ever. and they have recently announced they are closing down the game in November and paragon studios is being shut down by NCSOFT.
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in the flashpoint where you go to the foundary...you dont strike him down. he just dissapears. did he die or just transport or what...does anyone know for sure. has bioware officially said what has happened
If he lived or really did die is irrelevant. Whats more important is what happened to his mask >.>.
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Actually... not true. A company is in their rights to put in their User's Agreement that those that agree on the terms also agree on never saying anything on their own message boards that can harm their brand. No court will deny a company the right to police that in a service they themselves create in their own web forums. If EA would work to block websites they do not own to not allow critics, that would be violating them rights.
Just because you have the freedom of speech, does not mean you have the freedom to walk into the White House and tell the President he is a *****hole without expecting to be respectfully removed from said White House. Same thing with a forum controlled by the developers of a game.
The fact that EA/Bioware does not do this, regardless of their right to do so, says more about them than whiners and haters want to admit.
hence why i said handled just right. i would like to direct everyones attention to this
We definitely want the forums to be a welcoming place for people to discuss the game, but we also understand that people do have lots of feedback that they want to share with us, and that some of that feedback is going to be negative. We do work to encourage constructive criticism (and often close threads that are not constructive), but we also don't want to close everything that says something negative. We're always reading the forums and gathering feedback to pass along. All constructive feedback and discussion does have a place here, and we hope that everyone in the community can respect others' opinions - even if they differ from your own.Our Community Representatives work hard to help keep the forums clean and to keep threads and posts within the rules, but it is very, very helpful if community members use the "flag" feature to report anything that breaks the rules. This brings it to our attention quickly so the Community Representatives can address it. If someone is breaking the rules, we encourage you to flag the post and move on, and we'll take care of it! Just flagging and not responding in kind helps keep flaming and other unconstructive posts off the forums.
Gota give bioware props.
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I'll add my vote for Kashyyyk here.
With a Wookiee playable race. (You won't even need to hire a voice actor for it. I'll be happy with just Wookiee noises and subtitles.)
Oh, and Dantooine. Lot of scope there.
H.
yes wookie and trandoshan races would have been easy to implement, as would have been cathar.
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I don't knock F2P, the model totally saved Turbine's games. There is a stigma of failure about going from P2P to F2P though and the population would go through a huge change.
F2P did wonders for city of heroes, isense going f2p i have seen more new power sets and costumes added to the game via a cash shop then i did in two years of the game being a pay to play model.
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A lot of people in this thread want to compare the SW:Tor numbers to other MMORPGs. Out of curiosity i made a graph based on http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png and http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-1.png
It shows subnumber movement between 1.5 and 4.5 month after launch (to match the release dates of SW:Tors numbers) and while it can't be as accurate as the numbers impley it's still a good way to compare these games.
Here you go:
the bar chart can be a bit misleading, the graphs showing in the mioolons, if you look closely tor and wow west hadroughly the same growth in the same rough amount of time before tor lost subs. at that time wow had its growth economy was in much better shape, and there was only swg, ffxi, and eq it realy had to contend with.
Tor on the other hand has had much more games to contend with being released at the same time with a much more unstable economy. if given the ideal conditons wow had i doubt we would have had the decline.
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That is not correct, but then very little on this board is. Those with little understanding see "F2P" as an absolute failure simply because it sounds that way.....but whatever.
Have a great day everyone.
now I don't see free to play as a failure, i should have clarified what i meant, most people do though, i played COH and thier version of the free to play model has actualy been very sucesssful from what i have seen, how ever soes handling of thier free to play model of eq 1 and 2 basicly rips me off, i have to pay again for contwent i already purchased years ago to access clsses i had bought when buying specific expansions that they took away from me when they went free to play.
I liken F2p to dealing drugs or handing out free samples to people at the grocery store, give em enough to try it, get hooked, then charge for each thing they want in addition to that little bit of a freebi after they get hooked.
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I think they count differentely those different kinds of free months.
very possible someone earlier said there was a correction made to the post I was refering to.
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True to an extent. However, advertizing is a very powerful tool, which is why it yields billions in profit each year. This board is like a running advertizement. People do read this board when either contemplating playing, or contemplating leaving.
Think of it in terms of short term loss for long term gains. Ridding themselves of the negative, and quite frankly, nonsense posts would rid them of a tremendous amount of negative publicity. They would be far better off to take the hit and get rid of the disgruntled player then allow him to remain and promulgate his nonsense on a their own message board. In essence, they are providing him the platform from which to damage their reputation and game. Talk about shooting one's self in the foot.
welcome to censorship and "violatings ones rights" which would lose them even more subs if not handled just right.
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What makes you think people will come back to SWTOR?
That's also the good thing about GW2 and D3, you can play both of them without paying anything more than 60$.
I honestly don't even know what SWTOR could do to save itself now. They could start by doing free-roam space combat though, never quite understood why they thought non multiplayer star fox simulator would be a good idea.
because i have seen it happen to many times already in various mmo's people tend to go back and check out thier games from time to time to see if its changed or gotten new content and such. basic mmo trend realy.
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Sigh, this latest patch demonstrates why BW have / are losing subs.
When will you hire competent programmers?
Nearly every single patch you break several other things in the game which needs downtime to fix, this is happening so often now.
kinda feel like im playing a certain blizzard game everytime a patch hits.
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Not sure why people that play video games suddenly believe they have become experts in investment finance, or the investment market theorists. Perhaps for the same reason a homeowner will watch a home show and believe they are a contractor?
There is not "recouping production costs" as a matter of turning a profit. It is not even a consideration as to whether the market will continue on. Neither is this F2P something that will lure investment opportunity. Most of you do not even understand the strategy or reasoning for free game play.
pretty basic realy, we failed, our investors pulled out, we need to salvage what we can, so lets let people buy the content they want, and make money hand over fist providing a subpar product with the illusion of being free.
best scheme realy.
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This place is a veritable warehouse of misinformation, posted by people that have no clue or education in matters being discussed, but simply throw nonsense statements paraded as fact.
The entirety of the statement above is absolutely, unequivocal false, as is much of the rest of the nonsense being blathered about.
I'm not going to waste my time explaining, but if you go back about 8 pages or so there was a lengthy posting by an analyst, that was totally ignored by virtually everyone, but did explain exactly how the market works and why most people should just stop posting in this thread.
you do realize anyone can claim to be something they are not right? you do realize professionals are wrong sometimes and everyone does make mistakes? if that werent the case then the great depression never would have happened.
champions online, city of heroes, lotro, have all seen a profit growth in thier games sense going free to play, hell lotro makes so much money from going free to play they actualy have televison ads like wow and tor. so no, my statement was not false. and yes i did read the wall of text in its entirety. its opinion, and a damned good one I might add but as with all such things its only an opinion based off information they read and they dont have the entire picture either unless they are from EA's finance room.
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Are we even sure that ''free months'' is included in active subs ?
Because even if the average EA investor might not be much into games themselves, I kinda suspect that such a crude manipulation to pad numbers would cause massive backlash.
was stated somewhere few months back that monthly subs only count the actualy subs that had had thier free month expired and paid for thier first paid month.
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Again, you knuckleheads that are cheering do understand that the entire genre is on the line if this game goes down, right? That if market yield does not turn around for this genre the market will die? ....or do you know as much about investment theory as you do finance?
nothing i have seen points towards the market of MMOS dieing, there seems to be alot of mmos coming out every years, making thier initial sales, recouping production costs then turning a profit, lots of free 2 play models turning a huge a profit right now aswell.... if anything the monthly sub will die and everything will go free 2 play.
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-25% when d3 launches next wk
-25% when gw2 launches
-25% when mop launches
and a few -% when other mmorpgs launches later this year like secretworld etc lol.
+25 percent subs when people get bored with d3
+25 percent when people get bored with gw2
+50% when people give up on the crap that is mop.
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You call Diablo 3 a fad? haha
its MoPs class lvl system and talwent trees with a diablo skin. diablo 2's expansion was the best in the series.
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1)Realism would help here. WoW have way more active accounts than TOR
2)I really doubt that so many players took six months subs. I also doubt that all players that want to go ''Lets oogle underage girls in Victoria Secret lingeryOnline are currently subbed. If you dislike TOR so deeply, why would you keep subs until the arrival of ''More Creepy Furry than that episode of American Dad with Stan's colleague masquerading as a CARS mascot to do Roger the Alien'' Online
If you hate the game and your server is dead, then why not cancel the sub ? It's not like there is a dearth of good PC games at the moment, to keep you intersted until you finally get your copy of ''You are likely to eventually meet Chris Hansen'' Online
I mean, more seriously, that we can hope that most of the ''shedding'' of players is done. As I mentionned back in december, a lot of players ''that were leaving WoW in droves'' were players that were bound to be sorely disapointed in TOR....
1)Guys that find that ''Heroic Whatever End Boss It Is'' was way too easy, as as many as 2% of accounts can down it
2)''World PVP'' lovers (that is, people that love to gank players 40 levels lower than them)
(Yes, I'm not even trying TERA because of this issue. I have absolutely nothing against battling dragons with a well-endowed demon-girl wearing ''barely there'' armor, but when she looks at least 18)
tera... its korrean.. what else would you expect from it? its not even an rpg, its just another hack and slash like diablo or devil may cry, with a monthly subscription and more players onscreen at one time. it will burn out pretty fast like gw 2 .
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good info... I never knew all that so thanks for sharing...
np had to much free time on my hands when i was looking up the name of the sentient planet the yuzhan vong fly through space and hyperspace on during the new jedi order book series. never did find that planets name either after getting sidtracked with all the others.
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Agreed, WoW's numbers are highly fudged by humongous number of Chinese gold farmers... that said and looking at current server populous I would doubt SWTOR has more than 500k ACTIVE players. I was in a guild with 100+ people and currently 2 play. D3 and then GW2 are going to affect activity and therefore future and current subscriptions as people don't like to play empty MMOs.
GW2 wont touch this, those same people would leave anyways. considering its free to play why would tor lose subs in the first place, same with d3, both are "Fad" games. they have a bright moment for a month or two then they die out in favor of other pc and console games of the same type that dont have a monthly fee.
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It's a lot more then a few. Many people don't have much time to play. When they log on, they like to play instead of spend all their time organising stuff. I'm casual, I have no friends who play these kind of games (except my husband), I never saw any guild recruitment and thus didn't join one, I have no time to spend 2 hours trying to get a group and can't commit to a schedule for 'raiding'. I'm not a special snowflake, there are many, many people like me.
If I could have pressed the 'join random flashpoint' button and get in a group in 15-20 minutes, I would still be playing.
it comes down to luck and effort. If you dont have 2 hours to spend playing, you prolly shouldn't be playing an mmo in the first place, basicly a waste of money at that point in my opion, know what I mean? MMOS lose subs due to this very reason all the time. a typical flashpoint will take aboutt an hour or two depending on the group. your random button and in in 15 to 20 minutes could still take an hour or two depending on time of day and day of the week leaving you in the same situation you were just saying made you leave the game. I get into a fp in under five minutes asking in general chat.
On my server master zhar lestin if your on at the right time there are more then enough groups and guilds recruiting you can't help but get into one.
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It's about to be down one more, if they keep introducing patches that break core game content.
You may disagree and say the matrix cubes aren't that important.. but to someone who raids, that extra 58 to my main stat is what makes me a viable member of an operation since I don't have rakata gear yet. I'll likely never get there because they can't inroduce a patch that doesn't break their content.
I've had it, Bioware. You need to have three non-quick-fix-needed patches in a row, or I'm done.
200 comms for rakata relic to replace your matrix cube, you can get that in about 6 days doing all the daileys and heck if i remeber right the rakata ear piece is 120 cooms now, nevermind they introduced a new relic for dailey comms thats campaign level. those matrix cubes are pretty weak compared to something you can get from a week of farming, I know, i just went from being in greens and blues, to a full set of rakata with blackhole mods thrown in in about two weeks.
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Except that WoW went from 5 million in december 2005 to 8 million in january 2007 to 9 million in july 2007... Oh yeah, what decline?
yes there was a decline, then steady growth, every mmo has a decline like this during the first 6 months, your 2005 to 2007 number jump does not show thier quaterly subs its showing thier final subs after 13 months. never mind they lost 4 million subs this past december. you only prove my point, its always in a state of flux, everchanging. its chaos made manifest realy.
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