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I take it you dont play rated... DPS melt like crazy and so do tanks without the healers (sorcs included)
Would that not further suggest that damage is too high?
The point, though, was that DPS can do DPS on their own and kill things. Tanks can guard anyone and mitigate damage. Healers, or at least Sorc/Sage healers, cannot do anything without a tank guarding and a full team baby sitting them. Even then, there's still a few situations where, because of leap/pull, there's not a whole lot you can do to save them.
If the other healers don't take this level of incoming damage, it means their team gets time to assist them. This isn't the case with Sorc... it's pretty easy for a PT to grapple them into the team, or for a few marauders to leap to someone and destroy them. These are things that even a top-level team would have a hard time reacting to, and dealing with.
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I have an undergeared smugg, and a barely geared bounty hunter.
If a mara gets on me and I don't have guard and I don't have peals and I don't have cross heals, I die, and I die FAST.
IF I have guard, peels, and cross heals - 3/4ths of their team won't take me down.
Put another way - in groups we're fine. If you try to rambo, you're going to get smacked down. If they fixed it so we could do good in 1v1, then you could put every single person on their team on my undergeared ***, and with 1 other healer, a guardian, and mabbe 1 dps, I'd spend the whole match alternating between hotting myself and /clubdance.
If your team is letting you die, that's their bag, not bw's.
Would that not suggest that perhaps guard is too strong? Also it's apparently more a problem with sorc/sage... the other healers appear to have more survivability than we do. Anyway, if you're terrible w/o guard and godmode with it, then things should probably get normalized so you're all right without guard and pretty good with it.
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LOL. So your saying you are getting hit for 6k+ 3 times in a row...ok dude...just stop...
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Again.. no one is dieing in 2-3 shots. And guess what, Vanguards are the same class!
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LoL are you kidding me? You spouted the same thing in the thread I have going and I proved you wrong with a screenshot of 10k damage in 2 seconds.
You've just got to accept that incoming damage really is that high. That's cool if you don't get it on your class, but a lot of other people do.
On topic: I don't think there's any imbalance between republic and imperial, the classes seem fairly well mirrored. Republic does get dominated on my server, but it's no different than the horde/alliance thing in WoW. Plus the gear disparity in this game is pretty big, so the first faction to have more well geared players is just going to naturally do better.
It is a real possibility to have a single faction's PvP die due to lact of interest, but there's enough same faction WZ that at least PvP will continue. I think the only real solution BW could do here would be to lower the gear disparity... there was a thread a while ago showing the differences between recruit, BM, and WH. It was quite large. Lower that a bit and it'll make things more accessible to players who aren't as geared. The more skilled group will still win out.
That's all I can really think of though... it is weird that imperial tends to be the dominant faction, and it was weird that horde was dominant in wow, but there's really not much difference between the two. At least as far as I know, anyway...
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He would have to read multiple pages until the OP decided to change his mind about the other 2 healer classes.
Maybe it's just the way you wrote it, but you come off as extremely negative here. Is a discussion where something is learned and opinions change a bad thing?
Haha, maybe it's just a concept foreign to you
Ok shameless dig there... but anyway, if I misread you I apologize. To the guy you quoted, yes apparently other healers are fine. I'm play a Sorc/Sage so I can only comment on what I'm experiencing. If you're not having these problems, great!Sorc/healers needs a tank... and EVERYONE needs a healer.Simply not true. DPS work just fine on their own. Tanks also do pretty good on their own... their guard protects DPS just as much as it does healers, and they are also capable of doing relevant damage. Frankly, you could remove healers from this game right now and I feel like nobody would actually notice.
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What odds? they are subjected to the same game mechanics as everybody else. There are no odds, there is just class potential within game mechanics limits.
The odds in making a weak class work for them. It's a figure of speech, the same as applied to a low-seed sports player "beating the odds" to win a championship. High ranked Sorc/Sage may exist, I'll take your word for it, but they are few and far between. It doesn't mean the class is balanced.
They are accessible on all levels of play, and do not require full WH . They require equal set of gear to their opponents. You can not reasonably expect to have the same performance in recruit gear as in WH.I can't and don't reasonably expect equivalent performance, but I can and do expect reasonably close performance. A higher tier of gear should be better, certainly, but not so much that those in lower tiers have absolutely no chance. Especially because all three tiers are thrown together in the same queue for all warzones, both ranked and unranked. If there were separate tiers for each level of play, I would be more inclined to see your point here.
Yes, all classes have that requirement. In a team enviroment. Tanks need healers, healers need tanks, and dps needs everything else(tanks, healers, and dps).Absolutely untrue. Tanks can guard anybody, and also bring good utility. They can do this without healers. Arguably, their DPS is lower... so without DPS it would make for a very long game. DPS is able to perform their job even without the other two classes. In fact, coordinated DPS will always win against coordinated healers, simply because the GCD limits a timely response. Try it... get 4 healers and 4 DPS. Have the 4 DPS unload all their attacks at once and see if the target lives. They won't. If a single Marauder can do 10k damage to me in 2 seconds (when I have BM gear) there's no way anybody can heal through 40k in 2 seconds.
You want to survive focus fire from multiple opponents without any help from your team? SERIOUSLY?I'll let this slide becuase I think it's the first time you've said it, even though this has been addressed many times throughout the course of this thread. No, I'm not asking to survive focus fire from multiple opponents unaided. I'm asking to survive unaided against a single opponent unaided. Right now I can't even do that. Full BM taking 10k in 2 seconds. This isn't skill, there's a problem with the class. I thought it was a problem with damage values, but apparently other healers don't take these kinds of hits.
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And why do you say it does not?
Class is not important as long as you are good enough. I had guilds be quite insistent that i play rwz with them on my dps sage, after i quit Sphinx.
My concealment operative is a key member of the rank 1 team on Europe. There is a high rated team that sports 1 sorc heal (full corruption) and 2 sorc dps in their main team.
And skill is >= team, because no team of good players will carry your butt, you need to at least pull your own weight.
So you see, ... Skill >=team>class, when people play the game as it is meant to be played.
But if you are mediocre and play with mediocre players, off course your view of the game is skewed
Also gear is a non-issue regarding game balance in MMO's, they are balanced around end game gear not greens and blues and whatever. Character progression is part of MMO games.
No response to any of the above, eh?
One high rated Sorc on one high rated team at the upper levels of play doesn't make the class fine. I'm also not sure what you're basing these "highest ranked" statements on... to my knowledge we only have local server rankings and no world-wide rankings. There also haven't been any kind of e-sports tournaments for SWTOR as of yet, have there? (Honest question there, not sarcasm. I really don't know... so I'm asking.)
A lot of your evidence for Sorc being fine is based on a very small set of data. A handful of people in the perfect scenario are on high ranked teams. This doesn't mean the class is fine, it means a few highly skilled players have managed to succeed in spite of the odds. This will always happen... if there's 51 aces in a deck of cards there's still a chance of drawing a non-ace. I can't help but wonder if that high ranked Sorc player would be more effective as another healer... though to be fair, Sorc does bring unique utility to the game.
See my above post. Sorc should be accessible at all levels of play and shouldn't require a full set of WH gear along with a fully coordinated team to be mediocre. No other class has this requirement... and no other role has this requirement. Both DPS and Tanks stand on their own.
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That plague in WoW was mostly due to how diminishing returns system worked.
Here? with resolve being a binary system, and easy to "cap".I disagree with the above.
Gear is irrelevant, to game balance. and the rest is Skill >=Team>class.
There was a thread floating about that detailed the differences in stats for each tier of gear. It was actually a pretty big difference. You'd be kidding yourself if you thought gear was irrelevant. That's part of the problem outlined in the OP. I was getting crushed in recruit and I was told that if I got BM, all would be well. I got BM but I'm still getting crushed by others in BM, and absolutely destroyed by people in WH. Refer to the screenshot posted somewhere in the 23-27 page range where a Marauder does 10k damage to me in a very short timespan (less than 2 seconds).
It's been 40 pages of thread and you keep saying the same thing. You're fine if you get a team to baby sit you. This doesn't make you fine. Other healers stand on their own, DPS stand on their own. Having a team makes those classes better, but they play just fine on their own. This is more true of DPS than it is of merc/op healers. Sorc/Sage on the other hand, appears to be absolutely worthless without a team. That's a clear imbalance.
Additionally, you keep throwing L2P and skill > ____ around like it's an instant solution. Not everybody has a team to play with and PuG WZ exist to be played. Like it or not, there's still a pretty large class imbalance. It comes right back to what I've been saying this whole time. If healers with guard are too stong, and healers without guard are too weak, make healers stronger and guard weaker.
No class should be in such a binary situation. It's why you have people shelving Sorc/Sage characters left right and center. Apparently you find a few people who stuck it out and have a really good team to support them, but the average case is that the class is just not working. So congrats on finding an exception, but it does not define the rule.
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It's either that or someone at BW thinks there is this slice of the gaming population that are raging masochists. So they designed the sorc/sage healer to apeal to these guys that like to cut themselves with razors and bathe in alcohol or somthing.
Haha, very aptly put
I can't imagine so, though... they've said they want to work on their PvP and make it balanced, I think they just need to start actively working on it. I know these things take time so all we can hope for is that they're paying attention I guess.
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Nothing to add on the rest, it's pretty much been covered. Just a couple of points...
* Still seeing a lot of people saying this is a L2P issue. Getting pulled/stunned and then burned before the stun isn't a L2P issue. There's nothing anybody can do about this, it's impossible. If the expectation is that a healer should never get caught, this is unreasonable. DPS is given tools specifically for the purpose of catching players who attempt to kite them. Being infinitely kited would be unbalanced, and this isn't even true in this game. Players will get caught... they need to be able to survive through this. This is 1v1.
* There's still a lot of people complaining that if Sorc/Sage were buffed, they would be unkillable. Nobody (who's being reasonable) is asking for godmode Sorc/Sage. Please understand that, as it is now, we're getting exploded by a single DPS in seconds. There's a screenshot I posted a while back (maybe page 25ish) showing a Marauder who put 10k damage on me in about 2 seconds. That's 2/3's of my health pool and it happened before I could even react. All we're asking is to be buffed a little... just so we're on par with the other healers who apparently aren't experiencing this same level of frustration. An alternative would be to tone down DPS a little bit. Either way, we're not asking for god mode, we're asking for balance. That's the operative word here, balance. Please, lets try to keep that at the forefront of our focus.
* Still lots of "you need a pocket tank". There has been a lot of discussion already on this topic so, to summarize, the complaint is that Sorc/Sage need a tank simply to be able to play. We're utterly crushed without one and we're still quite weak with one. In order to be viable, we need a fully coordinated team baby sitting us. Other healers maybe don't need this but Sorc/Sage does. DPS, on the other hand, does not. The bottom line is, no one class should be so completely reliant on someone else to be viable. Team play is meant to enhance the individual to form something greater than the sum of the parts, but each part should still be somewhat viable on its own. If the concern is that, if healer solo viability were increased, guards would make them unstoppable... then perhaps the key here lies in guard and that it should be toned down somewhat. I don't pretend to have the answer to this... our job is to provide feedback and right now that feedback is overwhelmingly that Sorc/Sage gets steamrolled by lesser geared, lesser skilled players.
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I'm back... hopefully everybody had a good weekend. It seems we've got 10 more pages of discussion that I'm still catching up on. Some good stuff in there though, and it seems we're getting a lot more people coming in to post their experiences, which do mirror my own. Great to have some support
First thing I want to reply to is this:
Another poster that doesnt read the thread.He said multiple times that this was an all healer problem, not just sorc.
You shouldn't be so quick to throw out the "didn't read the thread" thing... you're half right. I did start out saying all healers were getting crushed because I actually thought they were. However, somewhere around our initial discussion when you and I were first talking, I discovered that this wasn't the case. You yourself were saying you rarely take 5k hits and your incoming damage was fairly low. In fact, you didn't even believe me when I said I was taking as much damage as I was.
I've revised my opinion... enough merc/smug healers are posting that things are fine that apparently it's just sorc/sage who are so startlingly weak and prone to massive amounts of incoming damage.
I posted that, fairly clearly... I'm not going to go back and find it though, this is a lot of thread to go through. Suffice it to say, if you think your class is fine that's cool. I'm not here to argue that mercs have a bad gameplay experience when I don't play one. My experiences are with a Sage so that's all I feel qualified to discuss.
SUMMARY FOR CLARITY: This thread is about Sorc/Sage.
Thanks!
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full BM? Neat so when are you going to gear up? Okay, cool so do that then get back to us, thanks.Players with full WH augmented are experiencing the same issues.
Nice try though.
This, and additionally why should we have to have the top tier gear level just to stand a chance against people in BM? If a Sorc/Sage has to completely outgear someone only to still get beat, just last longer, that's a pretty good indication that the design is flawed.
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There is more than one Sage agreeing with me, just as there are quite a few experiencing the same thing you are.
The bottomline still is: Can't increase Sage survivability for the casual player as it will make top tier Sages OP and the new FOTM.
You keep claiming that your performance shouldn't be dependent on others, well... You know PVP WZ is a 8v8 Team effort. You are not alone against te other team. And you are supposed to play TOGETHER. If you do not like that play style, change to a class that can act more independently. I thought we who rolled Healers did that for the team aspect, or did you roll it with the sole intention of jut healing yourself?
Nowhere did I say I wanted Sorcs changed to be so powerful nobody can stop them. You keep taking my arguments to the extremes... this guy wants to not get destroyed in a few seconds, clearly he wants to be unstoppable. We can't have that, so no!
It's absurd. All I'm asking for, and a lot of others too, is to just be able to play the game. There are changes that can be made that will give us a chance to contribute without making us OP. Besides, right now we have FotM classes, and people are playing them, and they're demolishing Sorc/Sage. So we should just leave that alone because it's ok to have a FotM that's killing us, but it's not ok for us to be FotM? Your reasoning is flawed.
Finally, and for the last time because you apparently have trouble understanding it, and because I've repeated it so many times now that I'm feeling like you're just trolling, my performance shouldn't be so critically linked to others. Team games are fine, team cohesion is important. One class being so completely dependent on their team and so completely broken otherwise is not fine.
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Sorc healers can crit for more than 5k more regularly than a mara or other DPS can crit for 5k. period. I see it all the time and I play way more than you do so my experience > yours.
I couldnt find your screenshot. I see you claiming that you cant take screenshots, and then proceed to post a video showing a mara that takes 10-15 seconds to kill bads.
http://imgur.com/YxD9OFloating text stays up on your screen for what, a second? That guy unloaded 10k of damage on me all in one go. Mad skillz... man, I must be a noob to get hit that hard in that short amount of time. Clearly outplayed.
It was a few back. That marauder was unloading massive crits on people. Same as the guy in the game with the screens I took. And yea, I was having trouble taking them, I'm not sure what happened. It seems to work sporadically.
Anyway, 10k damage floating on my screen from one guy. He didn't even do that in a stun, it just happened... I was at 2/3's life and then poof, dead. This isn't a l2p issue, there's nothing I can do about it. This particular fellow had it out for me all BG. I would keep him at range using all my cooldowns, then he'd leap in and do that. I didn't get a screenie so you'll have to just take my word for it, but he crit me for 6700 earlier. I'm not making this up... it's happening.
Finally, in full BM sorcs aren't hitting 5k crits except under obscure circumstances, like relic procs or healing a shadow tank with their +heal ability popped. We get that ability that gives us two auto-crits, the maximum I've ever done is 4200. Maybe WH sages hit that hard, but as I've been saying all along we shouldn't need the maximum level of gear to stand a chance. It should give an edge, but not such a massive advantage.
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Why is there no camp for people who genuinely enjoy RPGs and customizing a character, tweaking its stats and specializations, basically "tooling around" w/ a character that they have invested time in so that it has become a somewhat meaningful avatar, instead of a stock, static pick-up-and-play character that you can find in any non-RPG?
Why can people from this particular camp not also enjoy fighting other players who have painstakingly tweaked and tooled their own characters to perform at the highest level?
Sometimes it's simply about applying class and mechanical knowledge to a dynamic environment.
I personally enjoy that MMO PvP takes into account your skill both on and off the field to achieve success. Players who are prepared AND skilled are the most rewarded.
You can accomplish this without grinding gear. There are other ways to tweak your character or to change things to suit your play style. Even if you got all your gear handed to you for free, you could still spend time tweaking your character with augments. I'd imagine you could go for damage/healing, defense, or a combination. Skills can also be tweaked to customize playstyle.
As it is, you're not painstakingly tweaking anything. You're spending more time on a video game and ending up with an item advantage.
There's a pretty big difference.
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It is about time you stop with your superiority act and actually start reading what ppl try to tell you,you are deliberately misinterpreting their posts just to get your point across. I believe I was pretty clear on the fact that I was using a metaphor. On the other hand my post was reluctant to the fact if you would be able to grasp it, obviously you didn't.
Even if you do remove the extremes on attack and defense. You are still left with about 10 medals that should be easy for you to come across.
I understand your frustration and it must be hell for you. But please stop acting like it is te general experience of Seer Sages in lvl 50 PVP, because it isn't. You have (by a rough calculation, I am sure you will go through each post just to give me the exact numbers as a way of discredit me) about 50% agreeing with you and 50% disagreeing with you.
I am totally fine with how my Seer performs in PVP and I do not want the Devs to change (buff) our survivability, because then we will become OP and the top tier (ones again, not counting myself as a top tier player) players will be unstoppable on their sages. You have to realize that when you balance something around the casual player, it generally affects the competitive players negatively, creating a huge unbalance at "the top".
The whole premise of your argument is that I'm a bad and am not playing correctly... who's the one with the superiority complex? The bottom line is, you're ignoring the fact that my team is getting crushed, that's why I'm not getting medals. I suppose it's not worth my time to tell you I am... it just depends on the game. When your team gets crushed, you don't max out medals either. I do my best and I think I do all right... I'm not a top-tier player either, but I know what I'm doing.
It's a fact that damage is out of control... maybe it's better if you're in full WH and purple augments, but you shouldn't have to have the maximum level of gear just to have a chance. Most of the folks disagreeing with me in this thread are DPS or non-sages. I was originally under the impression that it was all healing and that damage was too high against everyone, but maybe it's just me. It looks like a lot of sages save yourself and maybe one other are saying the same thing.
Finally, with guard and peels we're mostly ok but we shouldn't be so completely dependent on these things, especially when everybody else isn't so crippled without them.
Sooo... I did about 10 wz's last night. Rated and normals and took screenshots if you want of the top dps and top healerYou know who had the highest crit 9 times out of 10? The healers.
Top DPS had a 5k crit maybe once if I remember correctly? In 10 games, 1 dps in full augmented WH (PT pyro or Mara i cant remember) got a 5k crit.
Yea.. so stop spreading rumors that 1 dps is hitting for multiple 5k+ crits and killing you in 4 seconds before you can do anything.
Had a sorc healer with 14k hp(alt) do top healing in a Rated novare coast last night as well.
I took screenshots for you too, head back a few pages to find them. A marauder unloaded 10k of damage on me in about 1 second, maybe 2. There's no way I can keep pace with that level of damage. My gear is even better than it was when I first started this thread and I'm still getting crushed. My largest heal is still critting for about 4k. Bear in mind that you're a different healer than I am, your heals work differently. Deliverance is a 2.5s base cast, easily interrupted.
So no, it's not a rumor... it's happening. I took the screenshot you asked for to prove it.
Finally, I'm not saying we can't put out good numbers when left alone. I took a screenshot earlier of my first ever rated where the enemy team didn't touch me and I got just shy of 600k healing. That doesn't chance the fact that damage is still too high. Those numbers on the scoreboard don't say anything about the DPS who died while you were healing them, nor do they say anything about how utterly destroyed we get under any kind of pressure.
I told you I wasn't making this up. You asked for proof, I gave it to you. You still persist in calling me a liar. I don't really know what you want, man. If healers are so OP with guards and peels, that only suggests that guards and peels need to be toned down, then damage also needs to be toned down. This game is too much in extremes.
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This.
I play a Lightning Sorcerer and the first thing I do with my class when I notice I am getting healed is watch my healer. When I see my Healer is getting hit on by a Sent/Mar I immediately work towards getting them down while my Healer keeps him healed. If the rest of our team learned to play, they will begin having one or two more guys help out to keep them off of us.
If they didn't learn to play, they let the healer die if I cannot DPS the one, two, or three guys on him and then he goes down and then I go down and then we fail the warzone.
I am by no means some amazing player, I would rank myself as average to maybe below average. However, I know my job in relationship to my healer and my tank and they (hopefully) know their job. As far as I am concerned, no class spec is 100% self-sufficient without another team member helping them.
Hey that's great, thank you for being a team player. If I ever see you in my WZ helping me out I'll be sure to MVP you.
That said, what you're missing is that I'm not asking to be 100% self-sufficient. I'm asking to have a chance. Everybody seems to be missing that I just get destroyed so utterly quickly that this isn't about me wanting to faceroll god-mode against three DPS. This is about me wanting to be able to survive a single DPS and have a chance to be effective.
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Rerolled a PT and am owning mad face in WZs... it's pretty clear the class is too strong (marauders too) but there's been enough threads on it that it's clear that BW either doesn't agree or doesn't care.
Two options, really:
1) Quit
2) Reroll PT... maybe they'll listen when it's 8v8 of all the same AC, lol.
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Very fair points, however I have to disagree with #2. This is a team game, and if your DPS and tanks dont know how to peel you properly then they are not doing their job.
DPS rely on healers to keep them alive, and healers rely on DPS to peel them. Everybody babysitting around here. If you indeed know how to play your class well, I would talk to the best tanks/dps you encounter in WZ's and ask them to group with you.
I understand that a certain element of team play is involved, and even required. I have no problem with this. What I have a problem with is that unless my team is baby sitting me and doing everything they can to keep me alive, they'll lose me inside a 4s stun. Your average PuG just doesn't give a crap, and that makes my gameplay experience extremely unsatisfying. By contrast, DPS players are the ones doing that insane level of damage. They're being effective because they're killing people, and they're doing it without help.
Healers will make them last longer, but most of them come with defensive cooldowns and abilities to prolong their life. I get heals, but I can't use them because they get interrupted and even if I could, I die too quickly for them to make a difference.
So as I said, if the name of the game is that healers require their team to assist them, DPS should require the same element of team play. They should get zero interrupts and they should have a flat damage reduction that can only be boosted by an ability from another player. In the same way that I'm crippled without a tank and a team peeling from me, they are as well.
Now I can tell you exactly why that won't happen... it's because it wouldn't be very fun. So folks need to start seeing it from the sorc/sage shoes... getting popped in a 4s stun while you can do absolutely nothing to prevent it isn't very fun. It's a game balance issue and it needs to be addressed.
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I am a healer and I do not die easily. There are 3 reasons for this.
1. I have excellent gear.
2. I have a team that knows how to peel DPS off me, guard and taunt etc.
3. I KNOW HOW TO PLAY MY CLASS. I stand in a position that makes it difficult for the opposing team to kill me, and I know how to cycle my cooldowns effectively.
If you want proof, I only died 3 times and put out 1.1mil heals in a rated just last night. Notice the KDR and the amount of protection my team does. Its not ezmode, but its also not difficult to stay alive if you play right.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/screenshot2012070521363.jpg/
So no, healers are not squishy. Instead, they are just good in the hands of a good player.
Firstly, you are a different healer than I am... we've established over the last 20 pages that apparently merc healers don't get hit as hard as sorc/sage. Secondly, see the following...
1. You should not need excellent gear to even stand a remote chance of survival. See the above for the amount of damage I'm taking. I'm two pieces shy of full BM now, missing only the chest and an implant.
2. I shouldn't require the full attention of a team to be able to contribute. I'm glad you have a team to baby sit you, sadly I do not. DPS has no such requirement. If healers have to be saddled with being such high maintenance, DPS should also. Instead, they get to mash a few buttons and watch massive numbers appear on their screen, laughing all the way to the bank.
3. I know my class and my cooldowns. There is no way for me to prevent people leaping to me, or pulling me into the fray. I LOS as much as I can, keep my bubble and HoTs up, and slow/interrupt/stun where appropriate. People seem to think I just stand around and twiddle my thumbs. Every game I'm top heals and get a ton of MVP votes as a result. There's always room to improve, but I'm not as terrible as you make me out to be, so stop dismissing these concerns. They're echo'd a few pages back by someone in full WH gear who has the same problem.
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Have hand picked a few medals for you that should allow you to gt a minimum of 8 medals per WZ:
Medic - 2.5k Single Heal
Healer - 75k Healed
Savior - 300k Healed
Quick Draw - 1 Killing Blow
Defense Basic - 1k Defender Points
Defense Bronze - 3k Defender Points
Defense Silver - 5k Defender Points
Defense Gold - 7.5k Defender Points
Defense Platinum - 10k Defender Points
Defense Diamond - 15k Defender Points
Offense Basic - 1k Attacker Points
Offense Bronze - 3k Attacker Points
Offense Silver - 5k Attacker Points
Offense Gold - 7.5k Attacker Points
Offense Platinum - 10k Attacker Points
Offense Diamond - 15k Attacker Points
I'm guessing you missed the part where the other team was crushing us, eh? But it's cool, I should be able to get 15k attacker and defender points in a game where we're getting slaughtered, 'cause that's what pros do, am I right?
I'm not even going to bother to reply to the senseless drivel in the rest of your post. Having a major gear advantage doesn't make you pro.
By the way, to the guy who never game back... here's a couple of screens of me taking huge damage. I'm only 2 pieces short of full BM now, btw. I also have 5 slots augmented.
Floating text stays up on your screen for what, a second? That guy unloaded 10k of damage on me all in one go. Mad skillz... man, I must be a noob to get hit that hard in that short amount of time. Clearly outplayed.
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OK, back to QQing about sorc/sage healing in 3....2....1.....
20 pages of thread, a little derailing never hurt anything...
Plus that guy who was arguing with me about whether or not I could die in a 4s stun never came back. I assume he agrees with me, so /thread.
Greek names, eh?
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Hahaha, thread derailed! ^.^
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This is actually why I gave up on the full 31 point spec. I was sick and tired of having DPS running all over the place - even in voidstar - to fight people. I also hated feeling gimp offensively. Sometimes it's better to help burn someone down then heal that teammate.
I went to a 21 point innervate spec. I still (in a full warzone) put somewhere between 220 and 300k heals. I just also do 80-160k in damage as well.
Doesn't win me MVP votes but I am much happier with my own role.
I am flexible enough to spend more time DPSing if the team is well stocked on healing.
I work really well with a good healer who's not a sorc. If they are good, I can just focus on bubble maintenance, healing the healer, and then just DPSing more.
I appreciate the advice, but you have to admit... it's goofy that to get max medals I have to not do my job. I'm a healer, I'm there to heal and assist my team but instead the solution appears to be to spec into damage and do some of that to pad out my score.
Logically, shouldn't it be more effective for me to just heal and try to keep DPS alive?
Anyway, reality is what it is, but you see what I'm getting at, right? I did try the 21/20/0 spec for about two weeks... the damage felt awkard and my heals were less effective, though not that much. The spec you suggest gives up all the utility of 21/20/0 to get damage... it seems a gimicky way to get medals, but perhaps I'll give it a try.
That response was mostly to that guy suggesting it's lack of skill that has me with low medals... those people are frustrating because I would bet that person's never healed a match in their life. Healing just seems to generate low medals unless you're DPS'ing too.
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You have to make sure to get your 8 medals per game. Ones again we are back to the core of the issue: You lack the skill. I understand this is not the answer you're going for, seeing how defensive you are to all the replies, and to you it is easier if the class was broken.
Would you expect to play on the national team (insert random sport) from just practicing 1-2 hours, 2 days a week? Probably not, you would prolly be the suckest player who ever got on a national team. Same logic applies to this. You can't be lazy and expect the same results as the ppl that put in the work. And no, I am not talking about the gear, I am talking bout the experience to know how to act in situations and execute your role. It takes time, and you are not putting in the work.
All right, you go ahead and tell me what I should do. I'm not getting my 8 medals, but I'm topping 300k healing in a game, the most healing on both sides including the winning team. I had a 500k game last night and still didn't get my 8 medals. I suppose I could start not healing people and start doing DPS instead, is that the answer? Should I stop assisting my team and go sit on an objective and noble sacrifice myself so I can boost my numbers instead of helping my team try to capture objectives and try to turn the match around?
You seem to have all the answers, why do you go ahead and tell me how my lack of skill can be overcome and I can get more medals in a match.
Oh, additionally, I wasn't aware PuG WZ was the equivalent of the national team in a sport. My mistake... how presumptuous of me to think that I should be able to play casual games a few days a week and have fun. What was I thinking!?
Ok shameless dig there... but anyway, if I misread you I apologize. To the guy you quoted, yes apparently other healers are fine. I'm play a Sorc/Sage so I can only comment on what I'm experiencing. If you're not having these problems, great!
Healing is fine, they said. Just gear up, they said.
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I will grant you that this is how SWTOR works, and actually how most games work. I'm not a fan that there is no counter to coordinated focus DPS. I feel like, in order to maintain a skill based contest, you should be able to counter this. I think the problem is that SWTOR is the worst of the bunch. Damage in this game is the highest out of any PvP MMO I've played, including vanilla WoW where trinketed POM/Pyro was king. Sure you'd get one-shot in those days, but at least it was only once every three minutes
Anyway, it's fair to say there's a distinct difference between how it works and how I think it should work. I can accept this... I can't accept it coming from one player though (cont'd below).
I think this is our main source of contention... that you think I'm lying/over-exaggerating the problem but I'm really not. I'm rational enough to admit if I'm wrong, and have no need to get my back up over and internet argument and would be happy to have this situation not happen because there was some easy fix. There isn't... we've got 40+ pages of thread discussing it and I'm still a little dismayed that we're hung up on the same point.
It feels like we're failing to meet eye to eye on two points here:
1) Incoming damage on Sorc/Sage is very high... to the point where 1v1 a Sage isn't able to successfully heal themselves.
For this I've given you a screenshot of the kinds of damage we take. It was 2/3's of my life delivered in two seconds. It happened, and there's nothing I can do in order to counter it. It's too much too quickly, and the tools I have at my disposal don't allow me to counter it, or recover from it. So yes, I am dying to a single marauder that quickly... I'm dying even more quickly to focused fire. I don't know how else to convey this point other than to ask you to play a BM Sorc in PuG WZ to get a feel for what I'm experiencing. The implications of that last statement tie into the next point...
2) This game should only be balanced around, and accessible to, all levels of play.
This game, or any single AC/spec, shouldn't require you to dedicate your life to it in order to play and enjoy it. Not everybody can do this, not everybody wants to do this. I'm not saying the game shouldn't have balanced competitive play, just that this balance should include casual play as well. This is not something that is hard to achieve and several suggestions have been made already, it's just something that needs to be done. So if Sorc's are fine in your high-level ranked matches, they certainly are not in PuG WZ playing without a coordinated team. Balance is possible here...
Keep in mind that we do pay the same $15 a month as you do, and we are entitled to a fair, balanced, and fun experience. You are also entitled to this. If it's not provided, a lot of folks will pack up and move on for greener pastures, which may well be fine as far as your concerned, and this is probably true, but only for the short term. This game is built upon the existence of a community and if that community enjoying themselves, portions of it will move on. Ultimately, it will fall apart.
From all perspectives, this game has thus far seen exactly that. Upon release servers were full and PvP queues were popping frequently. Over time server populations have thinned and PvP queues stopped occurring because people weren't enjoying it (for any number of reasons). Server transfers have alleviated the impact of fewer players, but the evidence of the trend is there. People are leaving SWTOR. BW should probably start paying attention to why people are unhappy... and for a lot of people in this thread including myself, it's because they are getting killed very quickly in PvP through no direct fault of their own, and they aren't enjoying it.