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watched the video and found it to be some what entertaining. i am just curious why you keep calling it a pug when you are clearly in a 3 man premade group? not sure about the other 5 people in the match wasnt waching that closely but a 3 man premade + 5 pugs is still better than 8 pug. 1 man shy of a full queable premade is still premade in my book
but again i enjoyed the vid thanks for posting
No problem. Honestly, you can't have a full pre-made. We've had instances where we queued up with newer players and ended up losing. I am at least telling the truth.
It takes a team to win, 4 great pvpers can't always carry 4 newer players, it's the truth.
Glad you enoyed it more are coming.
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I know some people that open w/ a Project, but I believe that cost:damage isn't worth it. Why not open w/ Slow Time, then double strike for proc, Project, Slow Time, then TK Throw?
It really depends on who I am fighting. I sometimes open with slow time, and FB vs hard hitting classes. Project with team focus and solos I'll open with either DS or ST depedning on the class.
Your rotation really depends on whats going on.
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Biochem can help you.
You have to be tactial about your use of the defensive cooldowns and force cloak. For example
Dont use our Defensive increase cooldown vs a mara or sent. They have any ability called repost, it will hurt you it also reduces the cooldown of Rebuke, which reduces their damage taken by 20% and does damage to the attacker. Really if you see them pop that or saber ward force cloak or stun right away. You're gonna get ***** by a half decent sent or mara, if you try to duke it out.
Your best bet is to go after targets of opurtunity (low health, straggler) or focus with another dps.
thus infiltraters are glass cannons.
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Overall we are one of the most balanced classes.
We can tank Well.
We can DPS Well.
We can Burst Well.
We can cast Well.
Of course this depends on the spec. overall we are fine. Comanndos and a few other classes I feel need some love to be on our level.
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./facepalm
Highly geared = War Hero title now?
Oh and you aren't close to the best geared you could be. Because if you were you wouldn't take a Shielding Relic from PvE. And there is no such thing as a Black Hole Relic. It's Campaign.
Your better off stacking Expertise and Defense. Augment with +Pow/Defense. Ignore Shield and Absorb in favor of Defense but don;t neglect Shield and Absorb if you want to be completely tanky.
You still won;t be close to where we were pre 1.2. The new Expertise system shows all our glaring deficiencies while trying to play Tank Role with Tank gear.
Well you are correct, but I bought it from the black hole vendor in the blackhole, though you can buy it on Illum as well.
Can you explain how expertise works? I jhave around 1,200 and from my tests, The added endurance, sheild absorb and defence scale better than expertise. I am not a math genius, so maybe you could explain to me.
I have all the gear I do need, the only thing you are suggesting is change out relics, I have them already and mostiy some mods, some I have some I don't. I've also been looking at other classes tank gear too, like buying super commando,etc.
I rip out all of my mods from the BM/WH. After all, everyone knows that you can rip the mods out of BM and hand in the piece only.
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./facepalm
Highly geared = War Hero title now?
Yes? Wouldnt you assume someone with a war hero title HAS GEAR? At min thay would have BM and some WH. At level 70 you can get AUG WH Gear, and then put the mods in however you please.
That doesn't mean they are ANY GOOD! It's safe to assume they may know something, that doesn't mean they are any good though.
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I like your videos
.What are your thoughts on balance? I haven't tried it yet.
Infiltrater has amazing DPS and awsome burst. My origional spec was that, then I feel in love with pure tank, I never knew how much of a beating we could take.
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Keyboard,
Thanks for the feedback. However, I am not as squishey as you think. in the video, I have several occasions where I was at low health, my low health is aroind 8-10k/ out of 23k health. I have pecentages on now, so everyone can see in my future videos. the hits that would decimate any other class at most will crit me for 4k. Granted it's Rare i ever get hit that hard. My shadow infil spec, pulled 5 to 6k crits using relics and adrenals. So if a dps spec using adrenals can Get threw my Defence, shield, and hit me for 4k they deserved it. Too back I still have 19k left to go and they jsut wasted their cd on me which is what I want.
If a dps specced sage can heal threw 3 Dps bursting me. I think I am doing something right.
I even score with 8k health, poping resli and you can clearly see the stuns I resisted. My tactics and logic are sound, for me to assume a bh is around to pull me into the acid or fire is 100% correct. after all I got pulled into the fire in the video.
I am use to playing in pugs and getting no heals, my other videos will show how I can hold off 4 to 5 great pvpers long enough ina pug without heals for the rest of my team to get their. This is valuable assest, allowing another person to go on the offensive. I am sure if you ask anyone on my server they will tell you when they see me defending, they do not worry one bit about that node or plant site.
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1) Resilience doesn't protect you from acid *or* fire (they changed that)
2) *Never* use Project without the Particle Acceleration proc. Seriously, the DPS/FP ratio is terrible without the auto-crit
3) Speaking of Resilience, you're using it *way* too frequently, without any particular purpose (e.g. right after grabbing the ball in mid)
4) Guarding the ball carrier *and then running away* just makes it impossible for another tank to guard and stay close. That move hurts your team.
5) In the entire match, you used Slow Time...twice. This is a core spell in both PvP and PvE. Use it on cooldown.
6) Speaking of spells you never use, I saw you use Telekinetic Throw exactly...once, and you interrupted it mid-cast. This is not only your second highest-damage attack, it's a crucial part of your mitigation. While it's less important in PvP than in PvE, you should still be trying to plant and channel it as soon as your three stacks of HS are up. Then again, you won't be getting HS very quickly if you fail to use Slow Time.
7) Did you use your taunts at *all*? These should always be used on cooldown, even if you're not fighting anyone. I like to "drive-by taunt" DPS who are attacking someone else (preferably a healer) while I'm on my way to do something else. Nerf their DPS. It's free, off the cooldown, helps your team a *lot* and gains you medals.
8) I see you're wearing a proc'd shield relic. Swap that out for an activated DPS relic (preferably power, but surge is fine). Shield is nearly useless in PvP (but not so useless that you want to drop it altogether). That relic is a waste of good DPS.
Notice all those heals popping up on your character? That's why you did so well. The opposing team left *both* healers alone.
Not trying to be a jerk, this is just constructive criticism. I'm also trying to point out that this video is *not* a good example of shadow tanking in PvP. Though, it's not a bad example of all of the things you should *avoid*. Honestly, knuckle down, watch your procs, use your taunts and abilities more effectively and you will do a hundred times better. The victory of this match was all due to your teammates and some incredibly poor target management on the opposing team. Don't expect to see anywhere near the same success against 8 man premades.
I understand.
I am not dps specced, I will ignore all of the DPS related, no offence. I did taunt, not everytime on CD though.
I do sometimes, neglect some abilites. I get into the mode, " Is anyone at mid, to get the ball again?" That way the imps dont counter score as you see that happen once. It didn't happen again.
Or I get into position to pull, which makes me look like I am doing nothing until I get the ball.
Huttball is a bad example for DPS play for me, becuase I am busy doing other things ( not dps specced), that a pug wont do? Did you see me counter-mid? did you see me pull jokers into the fire and acid? did you see me try to get open? Pugs normally wont do these things.
BTW I dont know about your server. The imps we play are good, they will force stun,etc you and take the ball. The imps we played were average that game and had average pvpers.
I think you are refering to the openeing when I grab the ball. Anyone whos pvped anyone decent will get force stuned etc, and the ball taken. Thus poping resil, allows me to get the ball, un-hindered. I have a 45 sec cd on it. So i will be able to use it again to score in a pug. Also, most imps will try to pull me into the acid and focus dps. I do the same thing in the video with success.
Yes, My team did a good job. We all contributed to the win, I fail to see why you are poitning that out? Do you consider yourself the only reason your team wins?
I will do well in ranked WZS. Infact I will shine, even more due to fact I can count on my team in pre-mades, that was a pug in this video.
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I also wanted to add that this is my first fraps video.
I decided to record a whole game of huttball. Most of my games are like that and I wanted to share what I do.
I actually have a video of all the WZS taken in a day all with great plays. My thing is it seems people like the Doctored up motiffs, Of just ownage and not the objective based protector, how I play.
Anyone else noticed this? I mean how many videos do you see of a healer or non DPS tank? NONE really.
I think this is why. However, I will still make videos to those few who play these roles so we can discuss tactics.
People who wont like my videos: OMG Uber LEET DPS, Mercs, anyone who hates being pulled in crap, Anyone who cant kill me, Trolls
People who will like my videos: Someone who wants to play Pure tank in pvp, other tanks, objective based players ( high kills, Top DPS, Top Healing, will not win a rated WZ). People who like watching people get WTB BBQED in the fire pits or pulled off bridges.
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Its not a bad video, solid tactics. Just need to be faster about jumping in acid, pulling/ccing and getting out.
You also seem to take alot more dmg then im used to seeing.
Thank you sir.
My question.
I've noticed that sometimes with force pull you can pull people that are one level above you, when you're directly below them on the bottom level. Has anyone noticed this?
2. I am known on my server, I get focused alot. If you noticed in the game I had about 3 to 4 people hitting me. I also wanted to note, that msot of the pvpers on my server have the same gear as me. I am not well and above geared. I have the best gear possible for my spec and most of the imps have the same as well as republic.
If you noticed, the imps in that game were highley geared as well, many of them with War Hero Title.
I have 3 peices war hero survivor. Modded belt and bracer.
Augmented BM, AUG Light saber.
Matrix cube
Blackhole sheilding relic
23,105 health
And biochem
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lol wow, u are terrible. i love how u say "how a shadow should play". u are a clicker, u have the camera way to close, backpeddler....sigh. u are how u SHOULD NOT play. watched 2 mins and turned it off.
dont bother wasting ur time watching.
1. I jsut got a Razer naga. Getting use to it. I still click crap that's hot keyed out of old habit. It doesn't affect how I play and I do Epic crap still.
2. I play with the camera Close, so what.
3. I don't understand Backpeddler? Your main must be a merc!! They hate backpeddlers, Cant get behind em.
4. I am sorry you only watched 2 minutes. You missed some great plays and force pulls.
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I am absolutely confused as to why you think this game was anywhere close to decent.
What do you mean?
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This video I made today. Raw pvp Uncut!
I hope everyone enjoys!
Full of Action!
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This video I made today. Full huttball Game. Worth a watch to see how a shadow pure Tank should play. Whole Video is full of action, IT'S RAW PVP.
I hope everyone enjoys.
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ahh that's getting into creepy territory though.
please no microtransactions!!!!
Legacy unlocks are good enough!!
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This is sarcasim.
However, this game's pvp i like better than GW2 or WoW. Something so cool about charging into battle, and hearing the Hiss of the lightsaber and crackles as you hit people
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Ah well, think what you want I had enough of your flaming. Although I think you know what I'm talking about but if you decide to ignore it that's up to you.
Cheers.
dude if you want help?
First, do you have everything hot keyed? Minor things is okay to click like, buffs.
You don't point and click everything do you?
That's the first step. Let me know when you complete this.
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I call BS.
You didnt chain cryo? No Concusive Charge?
Terrible players, that should of been an easy kill.[/quote
but isnt that exactly the problem with marauders atm?
you expect 3 commandos to use their CCs just to win vs 1 other guy? in a 3v1, the 3 never should be using any CC, it would be total waste. IF, and this if is a big one, the classes were actually fairly balanced.
I don't expect that. I expect poor players to all spam cryo. The point is these players didn't even do that. I have no idea what spec they are, but I can tell you, 3 grav rounds+ demo would take a nice chunck. Hell, 3 assult plastiques would take a nice chunk. That mara with 4 secs of being frozen would have half his health missing vs just me: imagine 3 below average commandos?
I can name any combination in a 3 commandos vs 1 mara that would destroy that mara as overkill with an Below average player. One with no razer naga, that clicks everything with mouse pointer and has no twitch reaction.
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I'll put some Shadow tank tips. I am pure Shadow tank 67 Valor with Aug Bm/WH (survivor) 24k life, with matrix shard (disappeared) and (So close to 200 daily coms, sheild relic). Rakata Fort stim/ absorb and medpack
1. Guard people getting bursted.
2. Taunt DPS
3. Use KINETIC WARD. I don't care if people try to ignore you! Absorb is sooo godly!
4. We are awsome Defenders. Always volunteer to defend a Point. one Tank shadow with bio chem can hold off an army of players long enough for the team to arrive. No other Class can say this!!
5. Dont get tunnel vision.
6. while defending, don't be baited and ninjad.
7. Spam Slow time!! Aoe Slow and Damage debuff!.
8. asassian badge is possible, even as pure tank.
9. on offense use your stuns and Force pull to slow players down from a counter- cap or interrupt bomb planter.
10. Hutt ball either play offence or defence. And switch up. Pure shadow tanks are the ultimate ball carrier and great counter-carriers. Force pull +Force stun+ fire pit= Awsomeness for your team.
I'll add more, I do so much it's crazy!
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Dude I'm telling ya, we just die to fast, beside like I said my cryo was on CD.
Dude I play a commando( was my main, retired him for my shadow). Rank 61 full BM some WH CM spec ATM. I've been every spec. I am not sure what spec you are.
But you could of used reactive shield to negate most his damage and spam grav round or kite as assault or hell used charged bolts or FA, even 3 hammer shot spams would take a nice chunk.
You clearly are making this story up.
ScreenShots or it didnt Happen.
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I call BS.
You didnt chain cryo? No Concusive Charge?
Terrible players, that should of been an easy kill.
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Rank 67 Shadow Tank, 23k hp Bm Augmented/War hero (survivor) I have like 1,200 expertise with matrix shard ( disappeared today)( soon to be shield 200 com relic)and Biochem.
Zero poblems vs marauders lvling 10-49 no problems as well.
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no one mentioned this, but Resilience a shadow ability. I am immune to all force and tech attacks for 5 seconds ( I am tank spec).
Also, Force speed will break roots and resilience can be used to break em. You know when a shadow or Asassian uses it they will glow either bright Gold ( shadow) or Bright Purple ( asassian). Depending onspec it can last between 3 and 5 seconds.
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Deathrus Shadow Tank PVP Video
in Shadow / Assassin
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I am actually thinking about getting the +84 end and armor CD Campaing relic. I think it would be better than the matrix cube.
I am messing around with different set-ups and mods. I have the legacy Bracers and Belt I am playing around with now. Almost at 24k end, I have 24% def 41%dmg reduction 33% ele and internal, 50% sheild change with KW. and 42% absorb. and around 18% dmg reduction with expertise. This change though, as I always changing my gear, but numbers are within 2-4%