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Its not really an opinion if Jedi/Sith have all this power in them, and can't use it to take down a non-force user. What sense does that make? But I know its not going to be written that way, because writers want to give everyone a chance but realistically. If there is someone who can beat you, just by a mere thought or a wave of their hand...then they shouldn't be or rather hardly be defeated by a non-force user.
But it is just your opinion, nothing more nothing less. An opinion which clashes directly with pretty much every canon source regarding this subject. There are so many examples of non-force sensitive users taking down Jedi/Sith that if I start counting them I will get a headache. Not only that but you presume that every Jedi is on the same level with Yoda/Luke/Mace/Obi. From what I can see this thread is about average Jedi vs average Mando. Moreover, as someone else already mentioned Force sensitive users are not just born with all of those super abilities that you are stating, they have to learn them. And some of them never do.
I am not saying that Mandos should own Jedi/Sith with ease, what I am saying is that the average Mando going against the average Jedi has pretty good chances of coming out the winner.
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Did I say that it was bad writing if a non-force user killed a jedi or sith? No I didn't, what I am saying here is that it should be extremely unlikely or next to impossible to do so 1 on 1 if each character is written as suppose to be.
Should it? You see this is your opinion just because you dont like it, doesn't mean that it should be done the way you want it to be done. In fact I have the completely opposite view, I like things just the way they are. Why should Jedi and Sith have all the spot light and be nearly invincible to non-force users? I simply dont see the logic in that.
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Your right they aren't invincible, but how are you gonna have an unsuspecting Jedi? If they can sense an attack that is about to happen, then in theory they should be able to avoid it.
Sonic attacks could work yes, that was proven in EP 2 in the Arena battle with the Geonosions. Rockets....shouldn't because they can be caught and force thrown back this is shown in the BH storyline and even in the DLC Force Unleashed when Boba fires a rocket and Starkiller sends it right back to him. Cluster Rocket could work but its not like the jedi can't just use Force Speed to avoid it they won't stand there like morons.
Jedi are immune to poison, that is if they react in time to make a defense.
Again I never said Overwhelming Odds or Indirect Attacks couldn't work, what I am saying is that there are many variables to consider in them.
To the BH thing...once more, it was for plot purposes and the jedi were dumbed down.
This is all in THEORY here, if the jedi were written correctly then they shouldn't have any problems with an opponent.
This of course is just 1 on 1, I probably should have made that clear here because some seem to think that I am speaking of a group vs 1 jedi, when what I am saying here is of 1 vs 1 fight for not being clear on that I apologize.
So your arguments are that whenever a Jedi/Sith is killed(by a none Force user), that is either the result of bad writing or for a plot purpose? No offense there mate, but that is just plain ignorance. You see, fact is, that non-force sensitive users are known to be able to kill Force sensitive users and just because you dont like it doesn't make it bad writing or non-canon(unless you are George Lucas, which I am pretty sure you are not).
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We could have a tournament style Kaggath going on!
This is a great idea!
Just saying
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Perhaps he was referring to his sustained age through use of sith rituals. Rather than his essence transfer, which must have been a second option/last resort after the rituals failed. So maybe he either didn't know about the essence transfer (no one seems to no much about the Emperor) or he considered essence transfer as a failure on Vitiates part and therefore said he was close.
That is a plausible theory, but dont you think its stretching it a bit too much? I mean we know that Darth Plagueis hated essence transfer, so if Vitiate used it, surely Plagueis would not have acknowledged his achievements. And about Plagueis not knowing about Vitiate using essence transfer, well from what I know Plagueis was one of the wisest and most knowing Sith to ever live. Meaning that the possibility of him not knowing about the Sith Emperor using essence transfer(especially since he hates the ability so much) is really small. All I am trying to say is that the things stated by Darth Plagueis also clash with you original theory.
So how many things is it now
-The mail from the Hand
-The SWToR Encyclopedia
-Thing stated by Plagueis
-Revan novel(in your theory, not really a big problem)
All I am trying to show you is that you original theory is just as problematic(if not even more problematic), than the opposite theory of the Sith Emperor being alive.
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Not so fast! Your making a blunder that other's have already made. I theorized that this is the second incarnation of the Sith Emperor. Based on what Hall Hood said, that the Emperor may have died before. I believe after a 1000 years of sustenance through Sith rituals, his body finally died and he was forced to conduct an essence transfer to a new body. This body was the male human the Jk faced and effectively the Emperor himself but in a new body. What this also means however is that after the death of a body, the Emperor can survive. If you haven't given the interview a listen (the link is a few pages back) I suggest you do, so you can see where I'm coming from.
I think that would contradict the whole thing about him being alive for thousands of years. IF he is just transferring his essence form one body to another, that wouldn't really make him a special case, let alone the being to almost achieve immortality.
Still, what if the Sith Warrior will attempt (and succeed) to kill the Emperor while he is weak. What would happen in the empire and sith ranks?In short, if the Emperor dies I see the Empire falling apart. As much as people like to think the Emperor is just this evil being who wants to consume all life in the galaxy(well he pretty much is
), I think he is the only thing keeping the Empire together. The fear and obedience he commands, keeps the Sith at bay and also keeps the Empire citizens loyal. Without him there will only be chaos and destruction waiting the Empire. -
I think the last guy who was Lead Writer was Drew Karpyshyn, the guy who wrote Revan and a particular Republic propaganda pamphlet called Annihilation. Republic scum.
I havent read his books, but from what I can see a lot of people seem to hate the Revan one and the Annihilation book has received mostly negative reviews. So yeah.... no wonder he got removed from his position as the Lead Writer
. I see no reason why we can't say that at least this character is the Emperor (although it may not be the same one met at the Dark Temple or on Voss). It is after all the Emperor's space fortress and would be a bit of a waste if he never used it...
I agree. I think we can safely assume that the character on the space station was the Emperor himself, which would also explain why he was wearing the mask(in order to hide/protect his deformed and damaged face).
After considering the opposing side, I have to say my original theory that it was the Emperor seems less problematic. All it contradicts is what the Hand's said (which could easily have been lies) and what Eightus found in the Encyclopedia (which could have been referring to the Sel-Makor incident)I do not think that the Encyclopedia was referring to the Sel-Makor incident. Because, it was the wrath that saved the Emperor from Sel-Makor's prison, not the fact that he had a Voice. And the Encyclopedia was clearly stating that the safeguard(the Voice) would save him centuries later. If the Encyclopedia was refferin to the Sel-Makor incident, wouldn't it say something like "The future Wrath would save the Emperor from a devious trap" or something among those lines?
Also dont forget that you original theory also contradicts the Revan novel
. As much as people hate it, it is a legitimate canon source, which clearly states that the Emperor is a Sith Pureblood. Now something else. From a sith warrior p.o.v.. Suppose the hand does write you that e-mail, voice of emperor is dead, emperor is recovering etc. etc. what would, if you had so much freedom in this game, which you haven't.. a sith warrior do when reading this news?Kill the emperor and take his place I think! So how much validaty has that e-mail from the Emperors hand? To me, not much. The hand would suspect you to go after the emperor, but if you don't.. then you have proven to be loyal (which a sith should only be to gain power) and would give them time to find some solution and replace the emperor.
How the Sith Warrior reacts to the e-mail is entirely up to the player controlling him
. Now I know you said this is how you think the Sith Warrior might react to the news, but allow me to disagree with you. I do not believe the Sith Warrior posses any sort of danger to the Emperor at the time he receives the e-mail. For the following reasons:-Firstly, the Sith Warrior does not know where the damaged Emperor is, so even if he wants to take him out he wont be able to locate him. Now you might argue that the SW can find out the location of the Emperor, but again I have to disagree. The only people aware of the Emperor's location are his Hand and they wont tell the SW anything if they knew he wanted to kill the Emperor. And they wont break under torture because they themselves are more or less directly controlled by the Emperor as well.
-Secondly, even if the Sith Warrior could find the Emperor, why would he want to kill him? To take his place? I think that would be the single biggest mistake the Wrath will ever do if he decided to do it. For the simple reason that the Sith Warrior does not have the support nor the influence(not at the this time at least) to become the new Emperor. Just killing the Emperor does not immediately make you the new Emperor. In fact it will create a lot of problems and enemies for him.
-Last point if he does become the new Emperor, the majority of the Empire wont accept him(again at this time).
And these are the reason as to why I think your argument is invalid.
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Makoto_Shishio, dude, why so hostile? As much as I agree on your overall point (that the Sith Emperor is not dead), you cant just attack someone like that. All we are having is an intellectual discussion, dont take it too personally, just because someone has a different opinion or supports a different theory doesnt give you the right to initiate a full scale war against them. Anyway enough on that.
But I'm hesitant to make this too complex. You got to ask yourself, can you see this happening in the game? Perhaps, but I just get a very strong 'THIS IS THE EMPEROR' vibe from the guy you face in the Dark Temple - don't you?I dont know, Ive always seen the guy as the Voice, nothing more nothing less. But maybe thats just me being biased.
Hall Hood wrote the JK storyline?! Wow, didn't know that - I suppose we really have to start taking him seriously then. I thought it might be more speculation on his part, but as he's writing the story we may as well consider what he says as canon... food for thought indeed.Yes unfortunately, our Lead Writer is also the person who personally wrote both the JK and the Smuggler story, or at least hugely contributed to their creation. Here is a quote from his 'Developer Blog',
I will always have a soft spot for the Jedi Knight and Smuggler class stories since I wrote a lot of the content in both of them, but I honestly love all of our stories. Each one explores a different aspect of the Star Wars™ mythology, and I rotate through them depending on whatever mood I’m in at the time.
Before he became the Lead Writer I think he was also in charge of the Republic story overall(planet quests and stuff). Though dont quote me on this one as I am not entirely sure.
Not much separation of power in the Writers' department is there?
, when we have the Lead Writer, writing two of the Republic class stories and the Republic story overall. No wonder the Republic are winning the war! -
If the Emperor had the Human Voice all along, why did he ask the Wrath to take care of Baras? Surely he could have had his Voice go to the Dark Council and just say "Hey I am the real Voice, this fat dude here is just a pretender". And then if they question him, the Voice could have taken out Baras to prove to them that he is the real Voice. Moreover, if the Voss Voice wasnt the true and only Voice at the time, then why would Baras lure him into a trap. The whole point of the Wrath taking care of Baras(apart from getting revenge) was that the Emperor could not expose Baras, because he was busy or whatever, and that he could not use his real Voice to expose Baras because the real Voice was trapped on Voss. That is the problem I have with the Emperor having multiple Voices at the same time. Though I must admit the guy from the comic does kinda look like the Human Voice that got killed by the JK.
This seems to imply his entire essence was inside the host body. Rather than a small part of it. So this would not be necessary. This is why the Hands have to collect his essence and bring it back to the original body, because all of him is in there. I know I'm going back on my original point saying this would kill the Emperor, and I can see no way of gettting around that. So perhaps its not all of his essence just some of it. Ultimately this doesn't seem necessary, the JK doesn't know how much power the Emperor possesses anyway. And they clearly underestimated his power from the start (tried to arrest him, lol) I think this is just what happens when a Voice dies unprepared.I stand corrected. It does seem like it was his entire essence inside the Voice's body. It would also explain why he got so damaged after the Voice was killed. I totally agree with the last line as well. When he was fighting the JK, it looked like he was quite confident that he would win. So maybe the fact that the Voice suddenly died, didnt give him time to prepare. And that is why he was damaged so much.
Well if I have to be honest, I never like Hall Hood and now after seeing this statement from him I dislike him even more. And seeing as how he was the one who personally wrote the JK story, it wont surprise me if he decided to ignore everything, and confirm that the JK killed the real Sith Emperor.
It could be about the Sel Makor incident. That pic is the Voss voice.As for this, the Encyclopedia was pretty much saying that the Emperor was afraid that a similar thing to the Revan incident might occur. In other words that someone might directly and physically attack him. So when it said that "Centuries later, this very safeguard would save the Emperor once more", I assume it means that centuries later this very safeguard would save the Emperor once more from a direct and physical confrontation. The one that he had with the JK. Just my take on the quote.
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I'm sorry, but I have to call this a total dodge. We already have multiplayer conversations, and have had from the very beginning so that is clearly not what Mr. Hood was talking about in the interview. The implication was that you guys would not be making anymore Class Stories in favor of "Avenger-style" stories instead. That is the issue. Point blank, can we expect more class stories in the future or is that off the table for cost reasons? Right now we don't know if we will ever get more class story content and for a lot of us that's what makes this game worth subscribing to.
^This.
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OK, seeing as nobody has bothered to solve my problems. I've decided to solve them myself.
Is it possible that the so called Emperor's Voice encountered in the Dark Temple already existed long before the confronation with the JK, and perhaps before the war? Think about it, unlike the Voss Mystic it shows extensive dark side corruption. We know there have been multiple Voices before them, and we can only assume much like the Palpatine clones they expire after holding his powerful essence over a great deal of time. The Voice however encountered by Teneb Kel, shows little dark side corruption, and yet existed during the Great Galatic War. But, does it not seem extremely similar to the Emperor/Voice encountered by the JK. Human, male, bald. So maybe its the same guy? So who's to say after 30+ years of holding the spirit of the Emperor it began to become more and more corrupt? Your probably wondering were I'm going with this, but I've answered one question already - where this pre-corrupted body came from.
Now, onto the Voss Mystic. After discovering Voss the Emperor became interested in them. (Speculation begins here) But he already has a Voice and isn't in need of another yet. But a mixture of the desire for preparation and interest drives him to possess a Voss, putting a small amount of his essence within it, in the hope he can use its vision power. This would explain why it was a Voss, why it was not heavily corrupted, and why Sel-Makor took over it so easily (it only had a small part of him in it) and why it was so easily let go. It wasn't his proper Voice anyway, just a temporary measure.
Anyway, he's back with one Voice now, containing the largest part of his essence. This Voice may or may not reside in the Emperor's fortress (I'm going to say no, this would explain the mask - for that was the real Emperor. But he wore a mask to disguise the Voice, and the Voice wore the robes to convince the JK and Scourge he was the real Emperor) Most likely the Voice resided in the Throne Room of the Dark Temple, or the Citadel (lets say the Citadel). So the JK confronts the Emperor for the second time, but the Emperor fearing death has fled his fortress and Dromund Kaas for another location. Leaving his Voice behind, disguised as the Emperor, as a ruse. The JK is fooled and flies to Dromund Kaas, perhaps then the Voice escapes the Citadel and flees to the Dark Temple, knowing his death will badly injure the Emperor. The JK however kills the Voice and almost kills the Emperor (as it would have had to contain a large portion of his essence for him to control it completely). The loss of his Voice, leaving his essence floating about, leaves the Emperor basically shattered, with part of his essence with no body. The hands collect his essence and attempt to return it to the Emperor. The Emperor goes into a state of hibernation to recuperate strength and reconnect with his disembodied essence. Leaving the Empire without their figurehead.
However this begs the question, what's the point of a Voice if killing it harms the Emperor so much? A very good question if I do say so myself.
Basically the Emperor knew the risks, he knew he had to put a large portion of his essence in the Voice to control it fully. However he knew it would offer him a small sort of protection from death, as killing the Voice would only grievously injure him, not kill him. I believe this solves my original problems. The Voice wore black not white as part of the ruse to convince the JK of his authenticity, the corruption was because it had existed for a very long time and with a large part of his essence, and his death had a big impact because it was a real Voice. Whereas the Voss was more of a semi-Voice, a temporary possession so he could use its powers.
A few problems it doesn't solve however, why Hall Hood said what he said, about the Emperor's body dying and hinting at a possible reincarnation, and where could the Emperor have fled to?
But someone else can have a crack at them. (Lol, I probably will later)
What does this mean for the future. Well as Hood also says, the Emperor is going to take it very badly. As soon as he recuperates no doubt he'll seek revenge. Most likely in his fury he will neglect his paranoia and not take another Voice, taking the Republic, the Empire - every living thing head on. And everyone will be like ***! And kill him.
If you didn't read all of this, do so. Or don't bother replying. Seriously.
Interesting analysis to say the least.
Firstly, lets address the issue with the existing corruption on the Human Voice(the one that the JK kills). I tend to believe that the Emperor selects his Voice from the existing Sith, otherwise Baras would not have claimed that the Emperor chose him. So maybe the reason why the human Voice had corruption and the Voss one didnt, was because the Human voice was already a corrupted Sith before the Emperor chose him, whereas the Voss Voice was uncorrupted, prior to the Emperor choosing him. This is just my theory as to why one Voice had existing corruption and the other one didnt.
Now as to why have a Voice when it damages him so much when it is killed, I believe that the Emperor knew the Jedi Knight was going to come for him on Dromund Kaas. So he made sure that the Voice looked and felt as much as possible like the Emperor, in order to fool the JK that he killed the real Emperor. As you already pointed out the clothes, the mask were just a part of it. He poured as much of his essence as possible into the Human Voice, knowing that it would greatly damage him when the Voice was killed. It was all part of the plan to fool the Jedi Knight and the republic into thinking that he was dead. Again just a theory.
As for why Hall Hood said that, well.... I have no idea why he said it
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I have to go with Makoto_Shishio on this one.
Think about it this way, if the Jedi Knight defeats the real Emperor in Chapter 3, what could the JK possible do in the next chapters that would top that? I mean you've only defeated one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy, everyone you defeat after that would just seem insignificant compared to the Emperor. Its just bad for the Jedi Knight's story.
And it is also bad for the Sith Warrior's one. Youve just become the Emperor's Wrath and now suddenly you are going to be demoted back to just being a normal Sith, or even worse to serving a normal Sith? Youve had your one chapter of being the top dog in the Empire and that is it? You see what I mean?
Also, it would unbalance the accomplishments of each character, in terms of who they have defeated. For example, with the Sith Warrior you defeat Baras at the end, now compare that to the real Sith Emperor, it really pales in comparison doesn't it? Another example with the IA, you defeat Hunter at the end, now compare that to the Sith Emperor. If that was the real Sith Emperor that you defeat, it would really make the JK seem like the most special and important class in the game.
Lastly I do not think that the Encyclopedia supports the theory that the real Emperor is dead.
"The Emperor created his first Voice after the legendary Jedi named Revan attempted to assassinate him on Dromund Kaas. Though Revan's plot failed, he approached within striking distance of the Emperor. To guard against further vulnerability, the Emperor created the Voice to deliver his orders while distancing himself from the forces that conspired against him. Centuries later, this very safeguard would save the Emperor once more."
This quote seems to hint exactly the opposite.
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I am really really starting to enjoy these ‘Kaggath vs Series’, keep them coming
As for who would win, I know very little about both of them but from reading what other people have written I would say that Prince Xizor has the upper hand in this one.
Btw, glad to know that Malgus won the last one
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Signed, hope it happens.
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It must be considered a great honour to be chosen by the Emperor to be his next Voice, no? So I imagine a lot of the existing Sith would willingly give themselves to the Emperor and become his new vessel. So maybe The Hand has a database stored on all of the possible candidates and when the Voice dies they just choose the most suitable Sith to become the new vessel?
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Found it. Thanks for the help guys
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Today I tried to hide the Sith/Force Corruption on one of my characters and I couldn't find the option to do it in the user preferences. Is it just me not being able to find it, or did they remove the option to hide the corruption completely?
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Great ending of the analysis on Dooku and also a very good read as always. Btw, I would really love it if you do a similar analysis on Darth Maul or Grand Moff Tarkin(two of my favourite characters). Would you be interested in exploring those characters in more depth?
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That is indeed good news.
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That's like saying that Mickey Mouse will be in the next Marvel Comic... No.
Regardless to what you believe Disney is, they're not a stupid company. Infact, they're one the most successful in the world. They know better than to invest 4.01 Billion dollars into a project and then crash it into the ground and ruin the series completely.
Look at what they did with Marvel. Without Disney, there would be no Avengers Movie, no Thor, and no Iron Man movies. They only simply brought more fame to the series and brought more money into them.
Disney is a good thing.
Get over it.
^This
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As most of you know the Cathar are going to be the next playable race for both the Republic and the Empire. Story wise, the Cathar have always been a Republic race(as far as I know). So my question is how are they going to explain part of the Cathar joining the Empire(if they even give an explanation at all).
My best guess is that its gonna have to be, something to do with the Cathar Prince(cant remember his name), that Empire players release on Belsavis. If I remember correctly he was a war hero who was opposed to the idea of the Cathar joining the republic so the SIS kidnapped him and imprisoned him on Belsavis for quite some time. When you release him he is quite angry and states that he is going to return to his home planet and reveal to the Cathar that he was abducted by the Republic.
So maybe some of the Cathar leave the Republic with him and join the Empire? And that is how they become a playable race to the Empire?
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Yeah. I would immediately lose interest in the game and just not bother. All you have to do is play some alts through the planet story quests to get a good idea of what they mean by "Avengers style". And I'm sorry, that's just not good enough. If there were other things about the game that made it worth playing, then yeah maybe. But as it stands, the class stories are it (at least for me). If I want good MMO mechanics, I go elsewhere, to companies that quite frankly do it better. No one does class stories better than BioWare, they shouldn't lose focus on their strengths in an attempt to shore up their weaknesses.
I don't pretend to know how much SWTOR cost or how much of that budget was eaten up in the voice overs and writing (I suspect not nearly as much as most people assume). All I know is that's my line in the sand, and BioWare needs to be honest about it if that's not something they're going to continue to support.
^This.
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I was kinda surprised that Naga Sadow wasn't mentioned, considering that he almost won the Great Hyperspace War using his Battle Meditation.
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A job well done, I never knew that Darth Vader was able to use the Dark Force Healing as well. Really interesting.
I've decided to solve them myself.
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Now your talking my language
. Yes a fully trained Jedi Knight should have no problem dispatching the average Mandolorian. As for the average Jedi vs the average Mando, I think it will come down to the individual, you see this is why I hate threads that are average this vs average that. Because almost all the time it will come down to the individual...