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Well this thread was fun to read as I learned a lot I didn't know before, but you people put way too much stock in these rankings which ultimately seem more like a popularity contest rather than an unbiased, objective truth.
The standard deviation on any given rank seems like it's around 3-5 ranks on average - and that's about as accurate as it gets.
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Seems like individual top Sith/Jedi lists should have been done first but what's done is done.
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While there was a deal of discussion between Caedus and Vitiate, I noticed there was little to no discussion regarding Darth Plagueis and why he is below both Caedus and Vitiate. Why is he just assumed below them?
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Sidious was and is the most powerful Sith Lord to date. You can't even argue about it, Georgey boy said so himself. The only Sith that as we know could've exceeded him in power is Anakin Skywalker but then he got all RoboCop and well.. If you haven't watched the movies shame on you, if you have we all know how it goes from there.
Could you provide a source for George saying that?
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Anakin is the chosen one but he never reached his potential, Luke inherited that FULL potential and later in life ACHIEVED it in other words Luke is what Anakin could have been had he not lost his limbs on Mustafar.
How? Luke wasn't born purely of the force.
It seems like HAD Anakin truly actualized his FULL potential, he would be the undisputed #1 and even Luke would have been #2 to him (given the generation gap between being born purely of the force and that beings offspring with a regular human - making Luke in a sense a halfborn of the Force).
Are you saying they would both be tied for #1 had Anakin realized his full potential?
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[*]Yes she means Luke Skywalker. Anyone who understands the basic concept of the Chosen One (a being purely born of the Force) will understand that unlocking the full potential of the Chosen One is going to make you ridiculously powerful - powerful enough to move black holes.
I'm slowly catching up through this thread but this caught me.
Isn't Anakin the Chosen One, not Luke?
On a side note, assuming that Anakin hadn't been crippled, wouldn't he theoretically have the potential to become the most powerful force user and duelist ever out of anyone or anything (since he was born purely of the Force). I know it didn't turn out that way so I'm not arguing Darth Vader for #1 or anything, but assuming he had realized his full potential, wouldn't he be undisputable #1 amongst all Jedi/Sith/Other combined?
I've got some more questions once I fully catch up but for the time being I just didn't want to forget to ask about this.
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Hopefully the above with alleviate your concerns. Noting that this thread is operating under notion that, as none of these texts have yet to be updated, they are still valid canon sources.
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Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.
--Taken from Vader: The Ultimate Guide
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Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
--Taken from The New Essential Chronology
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Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.
--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary
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When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before."
--Taken from Insider #86: Yoda's Right Arm
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Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel—a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force’s light and dark sides.
--Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Thanks for providing some quotes. However, I find some of them to be problematic. Not that they should be disregarded, but that the context in which they used is relevant to determining their undisputed, objective truth.
1 - The first quote is clearly limited in it's perspective, being a first hand account of Darth Vader. While he's surely educated to some degree in Sith History, it definitely doesn't qualify him to make the claim in the quote represented here.
2 - I'd have to know more about the context. If it's a first-hand perspective of Yoda, then it suffers from the same problems as the above quote - probably even more-so due to the fact that he wasn't ever apprenticed as a Sith and likely knew even less of Sith history in relation to Palpatine's power than Vader did.
3 - I can't really criticize this quote without knowing the context. Who's the one writing it? On a lesser, perhaps more technical point, "the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power" isn't necessarily equivocal to "the most powerful Sith ever".
4 - I'd have to ask who is Wheless (lead animator?) and what are his qualifications for determining Star Wars Lore. As far as I kneow, the only person capable of making a definitive, indisputable statement about the Lore of Star Wars is Lucas himself.
More importantly though, there's a good chance here that his saying "channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history" is simply an overdramatization of the truth because it sounds like he's just doing a promotional interview for the film. Sure you could take his quote here to literally mean he is saying Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord in history, but I don't think that was what he was attempting to convey in that interview and I don't think he was actually going through his mind and considering the ramifications of such a bold claim.
5 - This criticism is merely about the quote being said in the present tense. It says nothing about past or future practitioners of the Force's dark side.
I'm not saying I've discredited these quotes in any way whatsoever because as a collection, they're all still good evidence that goes to support your argument that Sidious is in fact the most powerful Sith Lord ever.
I'm just very skeptical that these quotes guarantee the certainty you seek with indisputable proof such that any further discourse on the subject is rendered meaningless. If there isn't something more concrete, possibly a Lucas confirmation of the matter, I would say the title of most powerful Sith ever is still disputable.
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The book is far more believable than the game, if that helps.
Oh and it should be noted game mechanics aren't considered canon.
Well that's a relief. I'll have to listen to the audiobook sometime.
Busy with Darth Plagueis right now though.
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Force Unleashed (novel) is C-canon, you should perhaps refer to that.
Also, personal opinion doesn't decide what is canon and given that Lucas himself refers to TFU as integral to the story of Darth Vader it probably holds a lot more weight in the C-canon than anything else does.
Haven't read the book. I'm mostly talking about the Dragonball Z gameplay which is pretty silly.
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Frankly that is speculation, Galen's power has regardless of situation overwhelmed Vader's on two occasions.
And whilst true, we can speculate on what he could do all we want, what we need is absolute evidence.
Let's be real here, who honestly considers Dragonball Z (Force Unleashed) as Star Wars canon? It's up there with Lightwhip as far as bad lore contributions go from the EU.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I just don't take everything from EU seriously.
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^^ The above, according to canon, is the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history, according to multiple sources. There is no room for debate here. If you wish to dispute this position, please go elsewhere.
-Makes profound claim-
-Provides none of the actual sources to back it up-
A+ Thread.
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its....really... not that complicated. But laziness can take many forms.
You're so cool.
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Your crafting is level 1 since you just picked it up so you can only craft low level items.
Level it up and you can craft better gear lol.
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My game must be bugged then because I only get the Hutt Cartel load screen now.
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I'm tired of seeing the same load screen on every load.
I'm fine with Hutt Cartel load screen on the actual Hutt Cartel planet but PLEASE bring back all the other planet-specific load screens where they are relevant. It's getting old.
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Somewhere between 1 and 10,000,000.
pretty safe guess imo
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Yes I do because my motivation to raid comes from competing to be my very best and seeing the results of that effort in relation to others.
It's a multiplayer, social game. That involves competition. Lack of meters stifles competition.
There's nothing bad about healthy competition.
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In other words, will my slicing missions make more money when run by 10,000 affection companions compared to 0 affection companions?
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I was hoping for a buff to the Vengeance Juggernaut tree.
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What level are you? I'm a lvl 50 juggernaut, I own in huttball since people can't kill me. I am currently tanking HM EV (riding the bike back as I type this) and am doing just fine. I don't know why you're having so many problems, but the class isn't the main problem
immortal tree isn't the issue with the jugg
vengeance/rage trees are
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Wait and find out like the rest of us.
That's what I was asking, if anyone else knew something about it that I didn't, to which the apparent answer is "no".
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Someone told me they were playing on PTS and they were buffed but I can't find any patch notes on what they did.
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The way I see it, either YOU need the gear or don't. I am not talking about needing it for your companion or to sell on GTN, but needing to put on your character. The way I play, if it goes on my companion, I roll need, if it doesn't, I just roll pass.
That is the funny thing though. I am level 43 and out of all the heroics/flashpoints I ran, I think I only played with one person who actually passed on gear. Everyone else tends to roll greed if they don't need the gear and in many times, actually win.
Is there any point in the game where you are blocked from winning gear that doesn't pertain to your character?
Need shouldn't be used for your companion over someone else's main character.
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Title says it all.
I like the game without macro's and add-on's that allow you to spam one button for everything. I currently play a level 40 combat medic and enjoy the thought process that goes through when playing.
Please don't cave in to the lazy.
I don't appreciate the game without damage meters/combat logs. It hides competitive information you've already provided in PVP, why not provide it in PVE?
Please don't keep caving in to the causal/carebear who wants his group to carry him without anyone knowing.
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