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Apples to Apples
My logic is that many people post on these forums talk about GW2. In reality these forums as a whole are a small portion of the population that play this game.
I'd be willing to bet that hardcore pvpers are the ones that come to the pvp forums for the most part and complain they are moving to the next big thing (insert name here) when its released.
I am not directly comparing popularity for the point to say SWTOR is more popular than GW2 omgzorz. I am saying that you must take the majority of these things on the forums at face value.
Before swtor came out these same people saying OMG GW2 probably said OMG SWTOR pvp.
Actually, most of us pvpers were trying to submit feedback on how bad ilum was turning out. Most of us submitting feedback were ripped to shreds by the swtor fanbois, as this game is somehow perfect and has no flaws. It got so bad that any kind of feedback or criticism was quickly deleted because it turned into a flame war within 3 posts. Those were the "omg swtor pvp amazing" people you are referring too.
Those of us currently following the press beta details for gw2 haven't been disappointed yet. Unlike swtor which was getting mixed reviews at this point in development.
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Read again man. I posted those video numbers 10 days ago. SWTOR has been out since then it has gained 400,000 views in 10 days.
GW2 video gained 30,000 in that same time span.
So how is SWTOR gaining 400,000 views in 10 days and the game has been out for almost 3 months now and some have played it longer than that in beta? That video is the opening cinematic for SWTOR btw.
I understand being optimistic but my point is that there isnt no where near as much hype as you would like to believe it is or some on these forums. There are tons of GW2 videos out there already.
Just be realistic
So what you're saying is, by your logic....
You like Justin Bieber?
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Lets look at some numbers now while these are not the end all be all I think they raise some interesting questions.
Youtube search Guild Wars 2 most viewed video 1,000,656 views (9 months ago) was previously around 974,000 last time I posted this info 10 DAYS AGO) check my post history.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBC_ig73aMs
Youtube search SWTOR Most viewed video 8,000,000+ (1 year ago) 2,451,327 for video 7 month ago. (was 2,000,000 mil last time I posted this info 10 DAYS AGO)
Update on illum open world 3,053 Replies
Post 1.1 Illum issues 2,820 Replies
I've been checking this info because I think well forum perception sometimes isnt reality in swtor.
If you just look at the number 1 thread with the number 1 amount of replies in the PvP forums 3k isnt anything and as many so called hardcore pvpers want to believe they are small percentage of population they are not.
Im pretty sure more than 3k people pvp in this game. Most probably don't hit the forums.
In my opinion most are idle threats of quitting and if they do in the end 3k or 2k or 5k if you want to combined the numbers isnt significant at all compared to 1.7 mil subs
If you look at the video views you see SWTOR has a video that has gained 400,000 views in 10 days.
Guildwars 2 Gained around 30,000 in that same time period and that video has been out longer period of time than the SWTOR video which is closest i could find around that time.
So to me this says GW2 has buzz but it isnt no where near the casual buzz which is what would make it this SWTOR Killer or WoW killer for that matter. Anyone that knows about GW2 is gonna buy it and I wish it success Ill buy it probably but if you read these forums and believe everything its the next messiah MMO that based of these numbers has less buzz than SWTOR.
TL;DR PvP is probably fine for most in this game needs work but enjoyable probably to most that play it. Forums full of troll spreading misinformation and alot of doomsayers in the pvp forums (some not all)
GW2 has buzz but its not as big as these forums make it seem to be.
GW wasnt as popular to look up as swtor at the time. SWTOR was the spotlight for a while because it was closer to release, and the fact that its bioware.
Thats slowly changing now that the press beta is over and we're starting to get actual info. With the failure that is swtor pvp, its only going to increase now that the WvWvW videos are out.
Now add this into the equation. Swtor was getting its fair share of good and bad reviews during press beta events. Guess what? There hasnt been a single bad review for gw2 yet. Go check ign, gamespy, mmorpg.com, all of which are saying this game beats anything that is currently released. Even the questing system that gw2 uses makes the old click and accept system that wow/rift/swtor use and turns them into an embarrassment.
. And if there is a bad review, i'd certainly like to see it.
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Its not bioware or our fault if the people on your server hate actual pvp. Ilum is extremely fun with two even forces.
This must be your first mmo
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ROFL
Can you please, point us an MMORPG that you think is not a WoW clone please?
Guildwars 2
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I love all the "you rushed lawl" posts people keep throwing out....
You act like this game is hard and leveling takes long. I work 8 - 10 hours a day, and I hit 50 in about a month.
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No keylogger found. The only stuff running in Task Manager is supposed to be running.
You must be new to Trojans.
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Your "shielding in unimportant in pvp" comment on the Darkness tree makes you lose pvp credibility.
Lacerate is also useful as it tags people trying to cap stuff.
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3. The reasonable individual, like myself...Who can see that this DPS class can be out-DPSed quite easily by other classes, such as PT Bounty Hunters, which are meant to be TANKS, NOT DPS.
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Fail on so many levels.
Assassins can tank. ASSASSINS ARE MEANT TO TANK NOT DPS RIGHT?!
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Sorry, but no one on the forums has as much credibility as the experienced players most of us speak to in game. In fact, I'd say that posts like this are why the Assassin sub-forum is one of the worst.
I wish I took a screenshot of the battlemaster assassins I spoke to calling the darkness and hybrid builds "gimmicky and a waste of time". One of them said that the forum goblins were looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. They are 100% correct and killed your credibility.
1. Battlemaster means nothing. See first day of 1.1 ilum where half the population got battlemaster in 3 hours.
2. I'll repeat again. I experienced both. I know the difference. The problem: The deception defensive talents need to be merged and replaced with more useful talents.
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Deception has been working for me from rank 1 all the way to Rank 73.
We're squishy but we can put out tons of damage. Good tradeoff from Darkness with almost no burst whatsoever but with much much better survivability.
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This is 100% incorrect and killed you credibility.
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I think deception does it a little bit. 30% armor with surging charge, 30% aoe reduction, 2% damage reduction. Dont think everyone in deception specs for these.
. Except AoE damage is a non factor. Aoe damage is incredibly low as it is.
. 2% damage reduction is a tier 1 madness talent.
To the talents above. No one specs them because they are useless.
I will repeat again. Darkness talents add both offense and defense, such as energize. Deception talents do not. That is what this topic is about. The defensive talents of the defensive talent line have offensive components attached to them, thus allowing you to keep up in dps.
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Ohh yeah I agree, but you cannot judge the 2 specs on just 1 maul damage. There is a lot more to it. I would say best thing to do it call a tank in a empty pvp map. get both builds to unload on the tank about 10 times each and you will see the full range deception has.
when it does not proc Deception will be way better. When it does proc on most attacks, It will blow away darkness. I believe with the tank not hitting you and killing you and stuff, you should be able to take him down on deception much earlier than the darkness.
Ofc, you can argue that in actual PvP you wont survive that long. Well Deception is not a Rambo built. Its a group built. Trust your group healer and Shield tank to protect you.
If you're talking about the maul debuff proc. Thats a tier 1 talent, which any spec can grab. I use that in my Darkness spec with the leftover points.
I'd say the damage difference is maybe about 10%. I ran with a group with deception spec. I switched to Darkness. I killed just as fast, and was unable to die unless overwhelmed.
Again, i'm not saying Deception spec is less dps/burst than darkness. I'm saying the dps to survivability for speccing it isn't worth it at the moment, as the dps gain is low per loss of survivability. As in, I can burst a target in say 6 hits instead of 5, and still run off with 90% hp from the self healing and shields.
Also note, Darkness has plenty of talents that increase both damage output while increasing defense at the same time. Energize is an example of such a synergy. Deception does not....again which is what this topic is about.
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BULL!!!!
I have no idea how a tank build can do more DPS than a DPS build. Maybe its a regular tank playing DPS but there is no way darkness and deception are equal in DPS. Yes deception might die very very easily, but in pure DPS terms, over a decent time interval, I dont think a lot of classes would come close.
I never said they were equal in dps
What I did say is they are close. 3k maul crits with deception, 2.8k maul crits with darkness.
My damage output on scoreboards also doubles when I use darkness. Add in the absorbs and self healing. Why? Because I can 1 vs 3 dps every now and then and manage to kill 1 before I die, something I cant do as a deception spec.
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It's very noticeable actually.
I've used both for multiple weeks
it really isnt
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You have 2 options with this class in terms of DPS for pvp and that's a more than a lot of other classes. 1 go glass cannon and grab all your pve talents, throw surging charge on, and blow kids up before you die. or two, throw on dark charge and be a sturdy dps who can take a beating while killing people before they can drop you.
pick one and stop asking for the best of both worlds. we're a complicated class to play, so learn it or roll merc and have fun spamming tracer missile.
Darkness spec does almost as much damage as deception, and has 2x the survivability. Basicly, its stupid to spec deception over darkness, as the damage trade off is almost not noticeable.
FYI.
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So how's that fix working out? Anyone care to comment? Big changes, system fixed right? RIGHT?
They did change it
They changed it to "disabled"
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thats easy, and all pvpers know it: less carebears trading captures for the pvp daily.
people actually KILLING eachother. its amazing.
population and reward balance caused problems, sure, and theyll be rectified, but its a hell of a lot less carebear than it was last week, so its a step in the right direction.
dont want to pvp? stay the hell out of the pvp area.
only pve? no reason to be complaining.
only pvp? be glad the gd trading is over, and know that its continuing to get better.
Another example of someone who had no idea what was going on.
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And you're the classic example of a complainer. The entitlement generation has spoken.
If you think so, ill ask you this.
What good came out of the ilum change?
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This game is grossing millions, and so has every other game they have ever made.
Whiny little brats like you arent enough of a reason to get these people fired. All you see is the tiny little corner of this game that is PvP, when the devs were also responsible for the entire rest of the game that pretty much works great and is a unique mmo experience.
They wont get fired because they are good at what they do. Your dissatisfaction and tantrums wont change that. People like you are not qualified to evaluate the job performance of MMORPG developers because you dont really have the slightest clue what it entails. And all you can see is the part of the game that isnt working the way you want it to.
Here is a classic example of someone who probably doesnt even know the situation currently going on in ilum.
Fanboi.
Upcoming titles = pvp a lost cause in SWTOR?
in PvP
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Ncsoft is only publishing. Anet (formally known as blizzard north: The creators of Diablo 2) is the developer.