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The Empire loses more because the Empire is the bad guy. No matter how much BW tries to show that the Republic has all these flaws, in the end, everyone knows The Empire is the villain of the story. Whether the Empire is your favorite side to play on or not, it will always be the villain..
You misunderstand my point, and clearly you misunderstand the game. I wonder if it's really worth explaining it to you...
As Anakin memorably pointed out in Revenge of the Sith - Evil is not an objective term, it's a point of view. What the Jedi and Republic consider sadism, the Sith and Imperials consider ruthness. And the Jedi's restraint on emotion is seen to the Sith as mental imprisonment, and to the Empire as sanctimonious. TOR makes clear that the Republic are enemies, and to the people of the Empire they are to be feared.
In NO Imperial class story or world arc is the 'Empire' the "villain of the story", Darth Thanaton was archaic, and Darth Baras was a usurper - both the Inquisitor and Warrior are clear that defeating them are in their, and the Empire's best interests. As does the Agent, regardless of his/her alignment.
Storytelling doesn't mean both sides should lose equally either, just because there are Empire players. Empire is going to lose. You know that going in.
Nope, it's clear to any player that neither the Empire nor the Republic are going to lose. For that is no place for a story driven game that accommodates players of both factions to go. When the final ever piece of content is added to TOR, it will not feature the end of the Empire. Of that I am certain.
As for Bounty Hunters/Smugglers taking on Jedi/Sith. Why are you limiting it to those two? If you're going by the movies, how does ANYONE who isn't trained in the force able to beat a Jedi/Sith? Jango only held his own for so long and Boba we never really see fight Jedi. Boba at most ensnared Luke, who then broke out of it.This basically comes down to the game needing to accomodate the players.
Saying it comes down to "game needing to accommodate the players" is meaningless, as it totally ignores what my original point actually was.
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I agree with Never_Hesitate's assessment. The fact that advancement can only be achieved by killing your superior, is an unsustainable method of governance. This eventually leads Darth Bane to implement the Rule of Two.
Another issue you are probably not taking into account is that ALL sci-fi stories tend to have is a general lack of concrete passage of time.
There are several examples of this in the Star Wars universe. One of which is...
- the entire sequence of the Falcon evading the Empire in ESB:
- how long did the Falcon evade the Empire before entering the asteroid field?
- how long did the Falcon sit the belly of the asteroid beast before they figured out they were in the belly of an animal?
- how long was the sub-light journey from the asteroid belt (in the "no-oid" system to Bespin)?
[*}how long were they in Cloud City before Lando brought them to "dinner" with Darth Vader?
And during all this time Luke is on Dagobah with Yoda in Jedi training.
In movie time that whole sequence only took about 30 minutes, but it was probably months if not a year.
In this game the JK spends a year under the influence of the Emperor, but the time goes almost instantly for the player - there is a fade to black and fade back in.
And all the other class and planet stories happen in parallel. Chances are that several years pass during the leveling 1-50 process.
In addition, unlike in real life where many evil leaders build their "empires" over time and by the time the rest of the world realizes what is going on, it often too late...in SWTOR the Republic realizes what the Empire is doing and quickly swoops in to prevent it. Which is why the "war" is so short. The Sith Council is decimated and now the Empire has to start over again.
Lastly, as to how a smuggler or trooper can kill a Sith Council member like Darth Decimus - call it what you will, but in every story the hero has to defeat the villain eventually. Whether by luck or skill, the hero wins in the end.
I get that, but regardless of the time-scale and Sith infighting there is a disproportionate amount of Imperial deaths in comparison to Republic ones - and the Republic deaths there tend to be far less significant. E.g. Death of a significant Dark Council member in Republic Corellia arc, death of previously unknown Green Jedi Council in Imperial Corellia arc. Further many who the Republic kill are actually featured in the Empire storyline or atleast well known - Darth Lachris, Darth Malgus, Darth Angral, Darth Decimous and the Sith Emperor, to name a few.
Apart from the Supreme Chancellor, I can't think of any significant Republic deaths (characters we've heard of) in the Imperial storylines - no Jedi Council members for example.
Pluck, grit, and determination. It's pretty clear that all of the protagonists are "strong" in the Force, even if they can't see, or use it.If you play a Bounty Hunter you get to enjoy several instances of skill and technology triumphing over powerful Force Users, such as
Act 2: You can Judo throw a Jedi and shoot her in the face while she's down.
Act 3, a Jedi force pushes you off a ledge, but when he leaps down to finish you you turn around and kill him with your blaster.
When you face down your Jedi archenemy your bounty hunter shoots missiles that he bats aside, and one more he is forced to dodge, but you're already waiting with the flamethrower and put him on the defensive almost immediately.
And lastly, if you choose honor over money and fight the Sith at the end, he blasts you through a door and throws all kinds of crazy stuff at you, but you jetpack out the way and again, use your technology to put him on the defensive so he is forced to engage you in combat.
That's true... but if one quotes from the films (as the developers did, constantly), you see Jango Fett and Boba Fett able to go toe to toe with powerful Jedi Knights, where as the idea of Han Solo fighting Darth Vader is ridiculous.
- how long did the Falcon evade the Empire before entering the asteroid field?
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Note: the whole post contains SPOILERS which is why I'm not tagging it, please take this in mind when reading.
This is more apparent in the later stages of the game, ie Act 3, but is plenty clear enough in Act 1 and 2. The Imperial classes tend to expend their time hunting other Imperials, while Republic classes get to directly attack the Empire.This is most obvious on Corellia, in both class stories and the world arc. While most Republic classes deal their blows to Empire, only one Imperial class directly damages the Republic.
Darth Decimus, Darth Acharon and Darth Hadra all die at the hands of the Republic on Corellia, shortly afterwards Darth Thanaton, Darth Arho and Darth Baras die as a result of Sith infighting. That's half the Dark Council, in the game's last moments.
Though not through Republic involvement, the Sith Empire also loses Imperial Intelligence.
Conversely, the Imperials kill no members of the Jedi Council (bar the First Son, a servant of the Emperor) - and only get to kill the unimportant 'Green Jedi Council'. True the Bounty Hunter kills/captures the Supreme Chancellor - no doubt a blow to the Republic, but oppositely the Jedi Knight (seemingly) kills the Sith Emperor - clearly a far bigger blow than the Supreme Chancellor.
Following this in the novel - Darth Karrid is killed at the hands of the Republic - who make fools the Empire, breaking into the Minister of Logistics fortress on the Sith world of Ziost. Add a 7th to the Dark Council death toll, in a short period of time.
Yes we know ultimately the Empire loses, but this quickly? I didn't think they would start killing of the Empire so early into it's existence - they're working with a blank slate, clearly the Empire's story could last centuries more. I'm hoping that this will be the case, and there will be a resurgence in the Empire's war effort - and Imperial charactors get to kill notble Republic charactors - such as Satile Shan (perhaps for the Sith Warrior).
Story wise the game seems completely unbalanced to me, and on a technical note - how is it feasible that a Smuggler or Trooper could kill a Dark Council member like Darth Decimious?...
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I'd prefer my character to be done with his rise to power quest line and instead focus on the actual story happening in the galaxy right now. This is a good direction, imo. A more Mass Effect style of storytelling is welcomed. You never had a class specific story in that game and look how well it did.Didn't stop me from completing Mass Effect twice. Many different endings, you don't know how this story line will play out. I'll do it. Did it stop me from leveling 12 alts to 80 in WoW? Same quests, same story? Nope. You should be fortunate to have a story at all in this game, it is an mmo and mmos usually do not support expansive stories like this one.
The main story of Mass Effect was the equivalent of class specific content in TOR. And a move in a Mass Effect direction would mean the expansion of class content. But then you can't and shouldn't compare TOR with Mass Effect.
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You going to be disappointed... I believe they have already said that they intend to eventually add many new planets to expand the game
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Edit: Actually, isn't Malgus on the Council too? Because I really like that guy.
I'm pretty sure that Darth Malgus isn't on the Dark Council.
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Well that's confusing, because a "Lord" was able to give the Minister of War his "marching orders". Which makes him seem like he is lesser than Lords, and Moff are not under Darth control (as the Grand Moff reminds Malgus), let alone Lord.
Though I suppose that Lord may have been acting on Dark Council Authority, which basically overrides all Rank (except the Emperor and his direct minions).
I don't think it's exactly clear; if you do the Black Talon, and speak to Grand Moff Kilren as a Sith Warrior, he certainly didn't consider himself above Darth Baras by the way he spoke of borrowing his apprentice for a time, whilst if you speak to Kilren as a Sith Inquisitor, he merely says that the duties of the Empire are more important that Lord Zash's research; very much: "she can wait".
Though if you look at 'Darths', they aren't all of a single rank; as for Malgus we don't know. The Darths on the Dark Council are obviously the highest, then you have those like Darth Thanaton, and Darth Baras who answer directly to their respective Dark Councilor; then you have the Sith below them. Lord Zash answered to Darth Skotia, who answered to Darth Thanaton. When Zash replaced Skotia, she answered to Thanaton. When Zash raises you to a Lord, she hints that your rank will be her former rank, you (as a Lord) answering to her, she answering to Thanaton, and Thanaton answering to the Dark Councilor.
(though this was quite an empty promotion, since the Inquisitor wasn't going to live for too much longer if zash got her way)
I think it goes something like this:
Dark Council Darth
Darth (like Thanaton and Baras)
Darth (like Skotia, and later Zash)
Lord (like Zash, the Warrior and Inquisitor)
Overseer (Harkun, Tremmel - Lords such as Zash and the Inquisitor were able to issue orders to Overseers, but strangly enough they are never called by Lord, where apprentices are)
Apprentice - the rank they hold in there own right, as shown in both SW and SI stories, when speaking to people they act as proxies of there masters thus speak with the authority of the rank of the masters. Apprentices are also the lowest rank in which people refer as "My Lord", Acolytes merely get 'Sir'. Though this may also be a curtecy due to the rank of there Master.
Acolyte.
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I'm quite sure that as an Apprentice your giving orders and such on behalf of your master, and the level of authority you are granted is at the level of your Masters (plus both the Inquisitor and the Warrior are always referred to as "my Lord", whilst Overseers [who must rank above an apprentice] are not.) As Apprentice of Darth Baras for example, the Warrior dealt with allot more high ranking people than the Inquisitor who was the apprentice of Darth Zash.
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(I apologise for the double post)
You certain that's how it works? I've been wondering about who outranks whom because (Ilum spoilers):You see Grand Moff whatever yelling at Darth Malgus on Ilum who seems to just... accept it. They both acted like it was entirely proper for each other and themselves to behave in such a fashion. Confused me quite a bit, especially when he followed it up by yelling at my warrior and then 'I'm sorry, my lord'ing when she choked him for it. Even if Malgus is just really weird for a Sith, it seems odd that the Grand Moff would expect to be able to get away with such behaviour in general.
Do remember that Grand Moff Tarken spoke down to Darth Vader, despite him outranking Tarken.
Dark Lord/Sith Emperor | Dark Lord's Apprentice/Emperors Wrath/Voice of the Emperor (anyone else working for the Emperor directly) | Dark CouncilYou know that the Dark Council isn't ranked bellow the Emperor's Wrath and certainly not the Emperor's apprentice. These are just the Sith who answer directly to the Emperor, whilst everyone else in the Empire ultimately answers to the Dark Council.
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Grand Moff was the title given to the Regional Governors of Oversectors. These sectors, also called Priority Sectors, were locations that were of special interest to the Emperor. These included the Imperial capital of Coruscant and the Death Star. The system was used by a number of governments: Odile Vaiken was the first Grand Moff of the Sith Empire, while Wilhuff Tarkin was the first Grand Moff of the Galactic Empire, and held authority over multiple Priority Sectors.
And...
The title of Grand Moff, now inseparably identified with the Empire, was neither Palpatine’s nor Tarkin's invention, though both can be credited with resurrecting the title for Imperial use. In fact, the title dates back to the Expansionist Period (ca. 25,000–20,000 BBY), when the Republic frequently encountered many small satrapies and mini-empires.
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Issue is:
BW always focuses on the Empire as pure bad guys, blood thirsty and murderous killing machines. This is very black/white and not levels of grey..
I disagree, there are many of respectable and honourable Imperials of the Empire, who do there duty to protect their citizens. Example from the Imperial Agent class story; Watcher two: "sorry sir, but there were 3000 people on that ship, half of them civilians"
Watcher two is by no means the only Imperial who cares about the civilians, that is just an example to the fact that Imperials care about things like that.
In Fatal Alliance, an Imperial spy risks his life (from the Sith and the Hutts) to get hold of a nav-computer so that he can give it to the Minister of Logistics rather than let the Sith have it.
There hasn't been any attempt to paint the Empire and Republic as black and white, and I think that BioWare has made a nice balance.
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What really sucks about this quest is that if you die, you respawn at the medcenter and have to run back (it's not exactly round the corner).
For me, I've had little trouble; i defeated every boss up to Zash with no problem at all; defeated her in one, although my health got dangerously low. So far with Thanaton, It's not going to badly; I got him down to half health with almost full health, THEN i accidently hit Force Cloak, which unfortunately didn't remove me from combat (as it should) but it did restore Thanaton's health to max, which resulted in my death.
Dieing being the biggest issue, as you say, in this quest. You die, and your respawned along way away, and if you decide to give it a try a bit later, by the time you've returned all the beasts have respawned and you have to clear them before you can begin your fight with Thanaton.
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If you hit Legacy level 25, that is seriously, seriously pathetic and that's coming from a no lifer. I've been going 12 hours a day, have 2 50s and a 37 and I am just above legacy 18.
I've got legacy level 5 lol, can't believe how fast and much people are playing.
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So many theories, when the truth is out there for all to see...
British accents are sexier than American accents.
End of story.
Couldn't agree more. Why try to come up with any other theories, this is clearly the truth.
At least they do not sound like Dick Van Dyke doing his cockney accents.You sir have clearly not visited the East End of Kass City.
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I disagree. "Speculating" negatively on somebody's character and motivations, especially when accompanied by cherry-picked misinformation, isn't legitimate criticism.....it's borderline slander. Even taking the Plinkett persona into account, the most diplomatic thing I can say is that the comedy elements seriously compromised it's integrity as a critique.
I think the Prequels and SE's have their flaws too, but fair is fair and much of what is in that "review" is anything but fair.
Of course it it.
If you live in the public eye you have to grow a thick skin. Short of libel, the press ALWAYS 'cherry pick' information to present an opinion (often negatively) on the motives, et cetera, of anybody and everyone in the public eye; politicians and bankers get the worst of it. And these reports are ALWAYS presented in a way in which the individual media outlet wish for it to be seen.
George Lucas is nothing special, it happens to him no more than anyone else.
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not another movie but they are working reportedly on a new star wars tv series..
Ah yes, I remember back when I was like 12 years old, back in 2005 getting really existed at the prospect, 7 years later - virtually nothing. I wouldn't hold my breath.
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"...I have trained you since you were a small boy." Obi-Wan says this to Anakin in ROTS, like he's talking to a stranger. Like he has to explain to Anakin that they've been hanging out for the past 20 years, practically living together, forming an almost father/son relationship. Like Anakin doesn't know who Obi-Wan is or why he should listen to him.
or
"My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count." Are we watching DragonBall Z? Does Anakin have some kind of Force-o-Meter to tell him how good he is? Nobody would say that!
Sincerely,
Myk
The funny thing is, he then goes and ruins it by showing Anakin meeting Count Dooku on several occasions during his childish Clone Wars series - long prior to Dooku's death.
Whats worse is in RotS when Anakin and Obi Wan meet with General Grevious both parties act as if they have heard allot about one another, but this is they're first time of meeting, ie:
"I expected someone with your reputation to be a little older"
and
"General Grievous, your shorter than I expected"
Lucas has really lost his way. No more so than with the Clone Wars series. I've watch it every now and then, and I cringe every time the Republic beets the Separatists with ease, often due to a spectacularly 'brilliant' and 'clever' plan by Anakin, which in truth can be seen as unrealistic. Anyway, what's the point in a show in which the protagonist barely has to try to be able to win?
Then there's his nepotism, he lets his children write episodes of the Clone Wars and have camios in the films.
Why can BioWare tell a Star Wars story better than its creator?
On a side note, if there was ever to be be another film trilogy, the only books that should be considered (in my opinion) are Drew Karpyshyns: Darth Bane trillagy (Path of Destruction, Rule of Two and Dynasty of Evil). They are brilliant stories, which would work well as films and could even tie into the existing ones.
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For a slightly more serious reply I have two points:
A. I fail to see how anyone can claim to be in a position to judge what you have mentioned, such as balance, when they have played for only 5 days.
B. The game has been out less than a month, and it has bugs... big surprise there.
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You made $1,000 PLAYING in ++++2 YEARS++++
**** YOUR MY IDOL..
Get a real job Mr.Semi professional Gamer. No one cares about your openion when its presented like this.
I know! I would recommend that professional footballers such as David Beckham, who gets a mere £1,000,000 every two weeks, quits and becomes a semi pro-gamer. Clearly making $1000 (which is what, £600), only proves that semi pro-gaming is where the money is.
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They don't disappear, what has happen, is the mobs destroyed them.
Next, you have to got to each separate location to complete it. You can't repeat in the same location. It's not clear on that, and it lets you plant the relays in the same place with now message that it won't work.
They do disappear, I've seen it happen clearly with mobs never even having touched it. And we do know that we have to plant them in the 3 different locations, that IS what the mission is about, point is they disappear at all locations.
At first I thought it happened if you died or left combat, but after studying the beacons they actually vanish long before you've defeated the mobs, plus if you hover over the mission icon on the minimap, the instructions don't change.
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First I would like to say that I am enjoying this game. I am playing the game with some old friends from Star Wars Galaxies and some friends that are local (fellow college students and neighbors). I also would like to thank BioWare for keeping the Star Wars gaming alive. I am a huge Star Wars fan and love to enjoy the many aspects of its story.
With that said, I would like to point out some thing that I see as a continuity and lore error. These are just how I see it and I do not want to pretend that I am some sort of authority on Star Wars, but I am a fan that has my own point of view.
First, Imperial speciesism (not racism). Now… I know that the Empire was very discriminatory against non-human species in the movies and the Empire era Expanded Universe, but it seems to me that this ideal does not fit in this storyline period. Here is why:
So... In this period, the Sith species (Sith Purebloods) are not yet extinct. These people are the origin of the Sith name and when combined with the Dark Jedi outcasts became what is to eventually become the Sith as we know them. So at this point in the timeline, the Sith are a mix of humans, sith pure bloods, and other species. Also, the Sith are the rulers of the Empire (hence The Sith Empire). But the Empire discriminates against non-humans? If I were a Sith pure blood Sith Lord, I think I might be pretty pissed to find one of my minions saying that I am beneath him because I am not a human.
What do you think?
If you read the Revan novel then you'd find out that 300 years prior to TOR, that whilst Humans are treated as 1st class citizens of the Empire, they are considered 'lesser' by Sith Purebloods - Darth Nyriss and Scourge refered to humans such as Darth Xedrix in a very derogatory manor, despite him being on the Dark Council.
Times changed by the Cold War after allot of Sith Pureboods had died in the Great Galactic War, Humans became virtually as respected as Purebloods, at a time where they were bolstering their numbers with 'aliens'.
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I'm enjoying the Sith Inquisitor story allot, but I was disappointed by the lack of the political element I was expecting.
I thought that it would evolve gaining followers, creating a power base, making power plays and perhaps even an ascension, or attempted ascension to the Dark Council, .
But whilst some of that happens, it happens because various elements happen to be in the right place at the right time.
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As a physician, I am disturbed not only at the missing Reasonable Accommodations RE the UI, but more so by the blatant insensitivity bordering on cruelty by the RL Siths. "Don't buy the game if you can't read?" Seriously? This kind of comment in the XXI Century? To suggest that the OP "can't read" is insulting. To suggest that someone just go away because of a medical condition is discriminatory.
Welcome to the Internet. Believe it or not, not everyone is nice.
(ps, don't get the impression that I support or would ever make offensive comments such as you speak)
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I don't want any game from BW anymore.I wont buy DA3 if they make it.
They are making DA3 and I certainly will get it, I'll also be getting ME3, and most likely any future BioWare game (with the exception of Command & Conquer).
And I defiantly still want KotOR III. That's not to say that I'm not enjoying TOR, I'm enjoying it every bit as much I did KotOR (with the exception of the tedious levelling quests that KotOR lacked), but TOR isn't KotOR III.
Someday they are going to have to tell the fall of the Sith Empire (even if it takes place hundreds of years after TOR), which can't be told in an MMO, because an MMO requires two roughly-equal factions. So I bet one day they make a single player RPG to tell that story.
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i'll consider cancelling my subsciption if khem val isn't a romance option in the future.
Before or after Zash takes up residence in him?... But that could accommodate both the males and females, for both hetro-and-**** relationships, all in one character.
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The Empire would not be strengthened by allowing Aliens to consider themselves equal to humans... or god forbid purebloods. The empire will not be strengthened the day that it shares power with the alien barbarians. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. The Sith and it's Empire is not there to be 'liked', and Imperial society is certainly not suppose to be equal..... Well that's the Sith's argument anyway.
While the Empire may be physically strengthened by allowing more aliens into their ranks, it would fundamentally change the Empire - the Sith and Imperial aristocracy would fade away. That would have weakened the xenophobic and tradition based Empire that said Sith/Imperials professed to strengthen, and create a new empire which is sickening to those currently in power.