TarikGur
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Everyone just stop talking to him, he wont get it. its giving me a headache. lol.
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The argument is stupid when your over-simplify it the way you have.
The argument isn't that getting groups easily is bad, or that it's asocial, the argument is that the side effects of an automated, cross-server system, which groups people who have no connection (i.e. exist in the same game world because they're on the same server) creates a massive disincentive for social activity, and also creates a massive move towards "dumbed down" content, because the group cohesion and co-ordination just isn't "there".
This starts a downward spiral to where the game because totally asocial and formulaic, and nothing is a challenge, and nothing is therefore rewarding.
No, you are simply wrong...its really hard for anyone to argue with you because your points are so wrong we just sit there shacking our heads.
Standing there yelling for a group is social how?? It doesnt matter what you think will HAPPEN, it matter what IS already happening....you are comparing points that cant be compared.
not finding a group is killing any possibility of social interaction. at least this way we have a CHANCE of being social and having fun, the alternative is just standing there doing nothing.
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Easily finding a group is the MOST social thing that can happen in a game!! Looking for a group all day isnt social! its just boring and a waste of time.
So you get some bad apples in your group? kick them out! We did it all the time in WoW! Everyone in the group knew they were bad, so we kicked them, case closed, back to running the dungeon and having fun and being social!
This argument is completely stupid.
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player a: I stood in the /fleet for an hour and couldn't find a group
player b: You need to make some friends
player a: How do i make friends without joining them in groups first?
Player b: /logs out to troll lfd forums
hahaha
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I just stood in fleet station for 20 minutes LFG....no replies, not one. 88 people on my server in there....whats the freaking point? how is that social? im so bored with this game!
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Exactly which letters of the acronym does it violate?
MM = Lots of Players, Check
O = Online, Check
RPG = Game Style, Check
An FPS in Deathmatch mode could almost qualify. You're attaching your own meaning to it.
He said that earlier too, and I could never figure out what he meant.
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I'm with you brother and I'm pretty sure the majority of the playerbase feels this way.
Thanks. But I want to state that im not against raiding, I just have no use for it currently. Let the raiders have their raids, and the rest of us have our easily formed flashpoint groups.
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I do not get how those who desire an LFG are characterized as opposed to socialization. Socialization will happen anyway it isn't like they've taken a vow of silence or something. They just want to form groups faster. See a list of groups, find one you want to do, click apply to group, maybe get accepted. Then into the action!
Intra-group dialog will still occur:
"Thanks for accepting me to the group"
"Target X first", "Ok"
"Ready?", "Good to go"
"Anyone know a good way to do this?"
"Good job!"
"Good run all!"
Instead of:
/1 "Anyone doing normal Hammer Station?"
(Other spams from other people desperately trying something similar)
/1 "Anyone doing normal Hammer Station?"
(Other spams from other people desperately trying something similar)
(X whispers to you: Fine don't invite me!)
/r "Sorry didn't see your message in all the spam"
(Player is no longer online)
/1 "Anyone doing normal Hammer Station?"
(Other spams from other people desperately trying something similar)
(X whispers to you: Hard mode?)
/r "No"
/1 "Anyone doing normal Hammer Station?"
(Other spams from other people desperately trying something similar)
(30 minutes later...)
/p "Omg this is taking forever."
/p "Sorry but I'm out of time to play now, good luck"
Agreed. Exactly right.
I used to be in dungeon finder groups in WoW that rocked, we would stay together all day running randoms. We chated, we knew how the other was going to play, it was great fun. But without the dungeon finder ability, I would have never found those fun groups, and been stuck in chat all day looking for a group.
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Okay?
I don't understand your mentality. You're playing an on-line, "massively multiplayer" game, and yet you want to just do things without having to interact with people, when those activities are explicitly designed to involve other people.
There are games that let you do this.
KOTOR and KOTOR 2 are examples, they're even in the Star Wars universe too! You can fire them up and have your party of people whenever you want and they only exist to do exactly what you tell them to.
So, why are you playing this game instead of that one?
See, you don't want TOR to have a new feature, your real complaint is that they made TOR instead of KOTOR 3.
Why do you care? I dont understand your mentality either.
You simply cant understand how people can have a different opinion than yourself, and therefore, you decide that they are wrong. Just because you dont understand, doesnt make the point any less valid. If you dont get it, then stop posting and go away.
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If I want social interaction I can talk to people in the real world.
I play games for fun...not for social interaction. yeah its nice to make friends and chat with them along the way, im not arguing that. but I would rather be able to actually run a flashpoint without talking to another person the whole time, than never run one and have lots of in game friends that we all sit around and chat and do nothing.
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And that's fine, just don't expect to actually get anything meaningful done in 90 minutes, and especially don't try and rain on the core element of MMOs -- i.e. the social aspect -- because you only have 90 minutes.
I seriously don't understand people who want to just log in for 90 minutes, kill a dungeon, and then log back out and go back to "having a life" or whatever they call it.
Why don't you just play KOTOR or KOTOR 2? There's a party always waiting for you!
You come to a genre of games that are absolutely infamous for their ridiculous time investment requirements, and expect to be able to do things without a ridiculous time investment.
It's like expecting to build a continent-wide fibre optic telecommunications network with $2.50 and a roll of copper wire.
That's a false dichotomy. WoW in BC wasn't "hard-core, raid only", I had casual friends -- very casual -- who were successful at heroics, PvP, and who even managed to scrape by in multiple successful raiding guilds.
The problem with this line-of-thought, is the fact that people expect the game to fit their timetable, rather than their timetable fitting the game.
But this game is full of other people, and other people aren't at your beck and call.
Roflmao.
Whose fault is that?
*sigh* you just dont get it.
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Many people dont have hours upon hours to play...many people only have 90 minutes. And you might be surprised, but its those same people with little time on their hands that keep their subs going.
If this is to be a hard-core, raid only game...then so be it, it saddens me, but so be it. I wont be playing it. I have neither the time, nor the state-of-mind to be hardcore. My life is hardcore enough as it is. I dont need the stress of a perfect raid run and clicking every single button at the exact right time in the exact right location. I want to be able to play with a general knowledge of the game and the specific environment im in.
Im a casual gamer and proud of it.
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LFG IS a joke. But implementing an LFG system (if it is global) will remove any accountability for your actions and how you treat your groupmates. I will agree that they need to make a better LFG interface, but not something that auto-pairs you. That defeats the purpose of the second M in MMO.
AH is not really a joke, it's just not convenient because you can't just search for what you want right away.
Resource gathering and crafting is a joke, how? Resource gather/crafting in other MMOs required you personally to take time to get the materials and spend time crafting. Here, your companions gather for you. They craft for you. You don't have to do anything other than order them around.
Everything you just said is exactly why I beleive those things are a joke. I actually LIKE resource gatherine, its a nice way to pass the time and chat with friends and make some money.
I dont care about how people act in a flash point....to a degree. Ive never had problems with them in the past and see no reason to have a problem with it now in SWTOR. The alternative is a slow death for the game.
AH is a joke, even though its a simple joke, its still a joke. the design is horrid. The functionality doesnt excist. Theres hardly any player interaction in the process, just drag and click and aggree to the recommended price. You cant search, thats huge! well I take it back, you CAN search, its just so painfull of an experience and the results arent reliable, that it might as well not be there.
and im still trying to figure out how auto-pairing has anything to do with the word multiplayer??
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What he's saying is true, Tarik. Bioware expects to make their money off of the people that actually like the game, and realize how much of a major project it is to create an MMO, and maintain, polish, and add-on to it.
On a different note, a big problem that I have with players I encounter in MMOs is that they are impatient and whiny. They expect that, because they have been handed/experienced certain things in other MMOs that they have played, that they must be there in the current MMO they are playing. Oh, I can't have a flying mount to make questing faster in SWTOR? Might as well unsub, this game sucks. WoW has virtually no glitches, but then this Star Wars game has a few small problems. Might as well forget about what the first couple months of WoW were like and unsub! Stuff like this^ is what really gets to me.
The problems arent small, and they arent few. This game was made with 10 year old expectations. Im not whining for silly issues. Im complaining about serious design issues that bioware SHOULD have anticipated and placed in the game to begin with.
If you buy a car and it breaks the next week, do you just take it as is? Or do you complain and have them fix it? If you buy a dvd that is scratched do you just throw it away and say oh well? If you order food when you go out to eat and the cook makes your steak wrong or sends you the wrong order, do you just sit there and smile and do nothing?
I dont want the game tailor made for me. I want the game made with MODERN requirements in place! LFG is a joke. AH is a joke. Resource gathering and crafting is pretty much a joke. They thought they could just sell us a traditional story driven bioware game, and not implement what all current MMO's should have. Not because WoW has them or any other game has them, but because they are the standard for the current MMO market.
Thats like buying a car without a seat belt and the dealership telling you that they didnt want to be like all the other car brands out there, so they decided to not put seat belts in. Seat belts are standard today, and the issues that I complain about are standard in MMO's today. same thing!
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Time will tell, dude. I guess you know how they make money and I dont, you are the worlds smartest person.
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I have not cancelled my sub, but if things do not get better soon I'll have to. The game no longer serves as my escape from reality if I cannot really play the game because of the difficulty in group formation. I'm getting bored of solo & PVP which are things I do just to pass the time while waiting for a group. IMO not having an LFG is a serious impediment to group play.
I do not understand why the naysayers are hung up on some kind of "automated" bit, who says it is entirely automated? Other LFG systems (such as DDO) put the group leader in total control of defining who/what they're looking for, what they are running, loot policy, and even approval/rejection of individual group applicants.
This isn't rocket science. It has been solved and done before. Just do it already!
Agreed.
Just put out a basic one at least to begin with. Auto select a tank, and a healer and some dps. Later when the flashpoints get more tuned and tweaked and require better group adaptation, then make the Finder tweak and tune its own group placement parameters. Its not that big of a deal.
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They sold us a car with 4 wheels and no engine. They just put a picture of an engine in its place and told us its real. And since we had no way of seeing it in person till we spent money, we are the suckers for falling for it.
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I can understand your emotions in the matter but remarks like this nothing for our side of the conversation and only deminish our POV. Try and keep the remarks more friendly.
Oh sorry I didnt know this was a kiss-*** convention.
It shows the devs that we DO have emotions, and our emotions DO have consequences.
And if they only want to cater to the ultra-polite, then I dont want to play it anyway.
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Have fun playing an empty game all by yourselves. And when they realise they arent making enough money they will just cancel all your hard work and stop putting any money back into the game and eventualy kill it off.
have fun with that. It should be nice and quiet for you in there.
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I already canceled my sub. this game sucks. done.
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Excuses excuses....canceled.
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When you buy anything, there are standard features that you more or less expect to get for your money. If you go out and buy a brand new car, you expect that car to have at least a working engine, a steering wheel, a radio, windscreen wipers, wheels, a locking system and seatbelts etc etc etc. Then there are the less mandatory, but still pretty much expected things these days like automatic windows, ABS, sat-nav, an on-board computer and a decent sdound system. Then maybe even some really cool things to set it aside from other cars on the market like maybe... oh I don't know. An Ejector seat? or TV screens in the back seats? A fridge? You get the idea.
Anyway, supposing this new brand of car, promising to be the car to end all cars, was missing one or more of the Mandatory features (in MMO terms you could liken these to a chat system, a grouping system and some form of Auction House or trade system) then it will be laughed out of the game market.
SWTOR has most of the mandatory features an MMO should have, but has next to none of the standard, expected features that are present in Rift, WoW... hell even Warhammer Online and Aion, and many of the F2P games that I've tried between then and now. Rift is the king of MMOs atm, as it contains more features than any of the other afformentioned games, and really sets the bar for what every MMO developer should probably aim for. Taking these features and using them is like making a new brand of car. If a car was any different, it wouldn't be a car. It would be a spaceship, or a helicopter.
What it all comes down to is: would you buy a car that didn't have a steering wheel because the developers were too busy making sure that the buttons for the radio (that didn't work) felt nice when they were pressed? That's how it feels playing SWTOR - too much focus in the wrong areas of the game.
This game lacks so many features that are not just "stuff wow has that make it easier for noobs" - it lacks features that are a modern standard for any MMO. SWTOR felt like a huge step back in terms of MMO. It's beyond the point of having a "classic feel". It's coming off as just a huge lack of effort on game development from BW, because they spent too much time and money on voice overs that only a fraction of people care about enough to the point where they can totally overlook the game's problems.
I'm going to get lots of flame and hatred for even suggesting that there are actually people out there who care more about the game than the story, but as good as the Voice Over work is, it's just not enough to make the actual game more enjoyable post 50.
I totally agree and have used the same arguement myself!
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Who cares about all this dumb story!?!? It lasted 1 month for me. 1 month!! After that it was boring as all hell.
They think that they can make their kind of game and turn it into an mmo. Well, its not working. storyline driven mmos cant support a long running sub base. There has to be the basic back bones needed to keep people playing. and this game severely lacks almost ALL of those backbones.
just having those needed parts of a game doesnt make it WoW. it just makes it work!
I already canceled my sub, too bad i paid in advance for month I wont use...i was being optimistic, i wont make that error again.
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Im canceling my sub. I will wait for diablo 3. In the mean time I can find some old games to tinker with off of steam or something cheap. No biggie. Just irritated I wasted my money on SWTOR.
Bored!
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Let me start by saying Ive already canceled my subscription.
I havent played more than a few hours since hitting 50 over a month ago.
In fact, I dont play at all. I havent played in 3 weeks. I tried logging in, stood there for a minute, realized how boring it was and logged off.
I wanted this game to do well SOOOO badly...I bought a 6 month sub just to show my support and be an optimist.
Now? I quit. its boring! theres nothing to do! Im not whining. Im not crying. Its just true. Im sad that this game is dead. Im considering going back to WoW. At least I can farm when im bored and still enjoy myself....