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Hello everyone,
I am writing this because I seem to have a small problem. Ever since the Ancient Threat was put on Yavin, I have been struggling to find a group or guild willing to kill it, yet I have seen plenty of people with the titles associated for killing it. I have been asking around forever, but I have had no luck. Could anyone possibly help me out here? Would be really appreciated.
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When did he say that?
Also, the quote I was referring to (previously posted) is from a sourcebook, not George Lucas.
The Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn is one of the most well-regarded pieces of work from the Star Wars Expanded Universe, selling 15 million copies worldwide since the release of book 1, Heir to the Empire, in 1991. It was devoured by an entire generation of Star Wars fans, who were too young to see Return of the Jedi at the cinema, and still almost a decade away from The Phantom Menace.
The latest Star Wars update from Disney is that there is going to be an extensive review into the EU and a reconsideration of what stories are going to be considered canon. Up to now, the entire EU was considered canon, with every story being vetted by Lucasfilm prior to publication, and a vast database of events and characters being kept.
But with a new series of films on the way, Disney wants the freedom to create new stories, and not be beholden to a canon that will be totally unfamiliar to the average movie-goer. This is fair enough. Disney wants to tell stories in the post-Return of the Jedi universe in which most of the major EU works take place. And let’s face it, some of the EU stories are bad, some of them are crazy, and some of them take Star Wars to places it really shouldn’t have gone.
Some of the EU stories are fantastic. Some of them are true to the characters, are exciting adventures, and unfold in a way that makes them logical and worthy follow-ups to the original Star Wars trilogy. And the Thrawn trilogy is a prime example of this kind of EU story.
Does it matter if Thrawn is considered canon or not? I guess it doesn’t really, the books will still be there, and will be just as good as they always were. But it’s another slap in the face to the die-hard Star Wars fans, who have had to put up with a lot of bad decisions, from the Special Editions, to the death of Chewbacca, to the love story in the prequel trilogy. Can’t we be allowed to keep this in the canon, as part of the ongoing story we’ve invested in for more than 20 years now?
The fans ultimately don’t matter to the bean-counters at Disney. Fans seemed to hate the prequels, but they earned over $2 billion at the global box office and spawned a merchandising wave that continues to be hugely profitable to this day. The fans will come, they are locked in to visiting a cinema in December 2015 to witness Episode VII, JJ Abrams would pretty much have to turn Star Wars into a musical to keep the fans away, and even then we’d probably still watch it.
Thrawn is a great story. It takes place five years after the events of Return of the Jedi. The new republic is in a delicate period of expansion and negotiation, and things are getting tough as the realities of governance begin to take their toll. But a Grand Admiral of the Empire has been biding his time, building a fleet and gaining loyal worlds, and he begins a mission of conquest and revenge. Throw into this long-lost battle fleets, cloning technology and a demented dark Jedi who wants to kidnap Han and Leia’s kids, and you have the makings of a *great trilogy.
The trilogy has some of the most vivid and interesting characters in the entire EU, from Grand Admiral Thrawn himself, a blue-skinned, red-eyed alien who goes everywhere with a creature that can suppress the force, to dark Jedi Mara Jade, the former hand of the Emperor, who has sworn revenge against Luke. These are great, interesting and viable characters and it would be a shame if they were suddenly considered non-canon.
More than that, the Thrawn trilogy really proved that tie-in or spin-off novels could add a huge amount to the worlds that they took place in. They didn’t have to be self-contained adventures that returned everything to normal at the end, they could grow and expand, and connect with millions of readers, instead of a narrow group of super-fans.
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The Council chose him because of his myriad contacts around the galaxy, and because of his abilities in dealing with other species. He was often sent to social events to act as a representative of the Council, and was a spokesbeing for the Jedi Order, often directly speaking to the media.
Clearly he was of use, and would have been of more use during the Clone Wars in attempting to forge peace.
Nonetheless I don't see how any of this is argument for claiming Trebor to be a bad Jedi.
Diplomacy requires both sides be willing to negotiate. If they arent you have to bringing them down until they will be open to negotiations, and its the bringing down part that im questioning with Trebor.
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Anyone who thinks Yoda is the worst Jedi ever is not worth debating with, so I'd rather move away from that point lol.
Oh look at this, we actually agree on something.
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Sidious' knowledge of all Force abilities is a canon statement. It is absolute. There is no need for a plethora of evidence to support that statement for a several reasons, of which I don't need to say because they are so obvious.
George Lucas also said Thrawn isnt canon, yet he is considered canon. So as far as i see, his statements are unreliable.
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I see no reason why those exceptionally skilled in diplomacy yet lacking in combat ability should be barred from becoming members of the Jedi High Council when with the power they wielded, which is greater than the Council of Reconciliation, could do both the Order and the Republic a whole lot of good.
Remember the Council of Reconciliation deal with purely diplomatic concerns, however there are many instances in which non-diplomatic situations can benefit from diplomacy, and even be turned in diplomatic situations.
Havent seen Coleman Trebor do that, I have only seen him do pure diplomacy,so as far as I know, Council of Reconciliation is where he should have been.
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What arrangement? As far as I'm aware canon statements are to be regarded as facts within the Star Wars universe. That is the arrangement. If your not willing to accept that then there is nothing I can do for you I'm afraid.
Well if you wish to believe in things without actual evidence, then be my guest, there is no point in bringing in personal philosophies into a discussion that is apparently over.
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Its called a joke, well done for not getting it.
The "Jedi Diplomatic Corps" does not exist. Coleman Trebor's place is on the Jedi High Council, were he can lobby and advise the Chancellor in matters of peace and take control of delicate situations that require is expertise. As well as ensure that the Jedi Order does not drift too far from the role of peacekeeper, as they sadly did during the Clone Wars.
Indeed, my mistake, its the Council of Reconciliation.
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OK, but what is this was several centuries prior, and I had a decree from the king stating what I said was true?
I bet you I'd get pardoned. Canon is king.
Again, not that this is relevant to the debate. So I expect that quote in your sig.
No evidence, no quote, that was the arrangement. Also a decree is written in paper, thats not verbal evidence, thats a document.
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No, he chopped of Jango's head, you watched the special edition.
Again, obviously combat is not his strong suit, we've established that. But he makes up for it through diplomatic ability, diplomatic ability that surpasses other members of the Jedi Council.
Guess what, I'm willing to bet that other members of the High Council would have failed to end peacefully the disputes Trebor did. Who is greater? The Jedi better at inflicting violence, or the Jedi better at bringing about peace?
Remember, wars not make one great.
Um Mace Windu chopped Jango's head off. Also : The High Council was a group of twelve wise and powerful Jedi Masters who were elected to guide the Order as well as to serve as an advisory body for the Office of the Supreme Chancellor. Wisdom is not being argued here. The High Council members are some of the most skilled and powerful combatants in the Jedi order. Again as I said, Coleman Trebor would serve better as the head of the Jedi Diplomatic Corps, that doesnt make him good for the High Council.
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And what argument is that exactly? Whether Sidious did or did not master virtually every known form is irrelevant to this discussion. Regardless, we have a canonical statement saying he did achieve this mastery and no evidence to the contrary refutes it other than an absence of evidence, but an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
I'm afraid the only argument that is falling apart is yours.
If you do a debate or go to court and present no evidence for your claim, you will be dismissed. So, im afraid your argument is done. Word of mouth is useless without evidence. Also, word of mouth is not considered evidence by any debate or legal standards, so using the argument of verbal evidence is useless.
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Your totally missing the point, the point is that Jango is no average individual and is in fact deadly even to Jedi. And for that reason the fact that Jango easily killed Trebor is not argument to say Trebor is defenseless.
But I'm not going continue this apologia for Trebor's performance. He was a diplomat and a very skilled one, possessing qualities much valued in a Jedi and deserved of a place on the Jedi Council despite his lack of martial ability.
P.S. Trebor wielded Soresu, not Niman.
So you are telling me that a practicioner of a style specifically geared toward defense and blast deflection, failed to defend himself? Yes, Jango is no ordinary individual, but im willing to bet anyone else on the High Council would have been able to at least get away.
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Simply because he has not used a power, does not mean he is not capable of it. Especially given the fact that Palpatine has been in few situations in which he has been in a position to bring his powers to bear, let alone all of them.
However we have a canonical source confirming him to have mastered virtually ever Force Power in existence, and he has demonstrated a lot of abilities, perhaps more than any living Force User has.
Nonetheless its irrelevant, this is about the Sith Emperor vs Sidious. There is nothing the Sith Emperor can do that demonstrates him to be a superior Force User than Sidious, and there is little if anything the Sith Emperor can do that - by compiling logic and evidence, or simply evidence alone - it cannot be concluded Sidious can do also.
Well, if evidence cant be provided for Palpatine, the statement is useless. Without evidence, the argument falls apart.
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No you wouldn't, unless the guy was a diplomat not a warrior then you would. The more diplomatic Jedi being a boon as opposed to a burden for any Jedi High Council who serve primarily as peacekeepers, not warriors.
Its certainly not cause, considering all his accomplishments and renown, to call him "the worst Jedi ever".
You don't need to be designed to kill Jedi to be able to kill Jedi, Jango Fett was a Mandalorian and one of the greatest bounty hunters of the age, and he was damn good at killing Jedi - with and without a blaster./COLOR]
Again, those Jedi he killed, not High Council members, also Coleman Trebor was assumingly trained in Niman, which while a Jack of all trades style, is dependent roughly on the persons creativity and intelligence, the best example of Niman philosophy being Exar Kun. Its called the Diplomats form for a reason, its ment for people who want to study the force or different arts, so either way you put it, Coleman Trebor was defective somewhere.
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Hence the fact they look nothing alike I guess.
And what evidence would that be exactly? As far as I'm aware, I just provided it.
In which situation does Palpatine use Spear of Midnight Black? Battle Meditation? Deadly Sight? Force Destruction? Doppelganger? Things like that.
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So? They are diplomats correct? And politicians can be diplomatic as well right? My point is that if you engage in peaceful negotiations you don't need to be expert combatant as well, leave that for others.
They were warriors however, Trebor is a diplomat. However I was more referring to Komari Vosa who he killed single handedly. Jango Fett is grossly superior to anything Trebor would have expected to encounter in terms of hostilities.
Still, you would think someone who got on the Jedi High Council would manage to not get killed in 3 shots. In the end, Jango Fett is a blaster weilding assailant, not a creation made to kill Jedi like Grievous. And also, not all Jedi serve as diplomats.
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So all politicians and diplomats should carry guns? No.
Different people have different roles, and the same can be said for Jedi. Nonetheless Coleman Trebor is armed with a lightsaber and the Force and is therefore more than capable of defending himself. Just not against the then most deadly bounty hunter in the galaxy who has killed far more powerful Force-sensitive adversaries than Trebor.
Last I checked, Jedi arent politicians, and you refer to the Battle of Galidraan I assume, and in that case, I dont belive any of the Jedi he killed were High Council Members.
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Though, to be fair, they really don't.[/color]Put that in your sig and we will be.
Gollum wasnt a human, he was a hobbit, but thats besides the point. I will put that in my sig if you provide me with the evidence i asked for days ago.
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Agreed. One of the primary Jedi teachings is to end a confrontation with little to no violence, the greatest of Jedi being a master of Form Zero.
And what use is that skill, if when negotiations fail, one cant defend himself?
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Sigh, very well, I concede, Palpatine wins and im a stupid, worthless moron. Happy?
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Actually I disagree, on the basis that "mutant version of Gollum" is a contradiction in terms.
Um how? Anything can be mutated
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Thrawn is the greatest military mind in Star Wars and perhaps in Sci-fi, Ackbar and Picard being his closest rivals. In the end though, with everything taken into consideration: Thrawn is Kasparov and Ackbar/Picard are Karpov. Very close match but Kasparov won. Thrawn not only comes from a race that is more tactically inclined than other races, he is a genius, and as Ackbar himself said, Thrawn was the greatest commander in history. The best comparisson for Thrawn is, I would say, Gneghis Khan: Absolute Genius and can only be stopped by death. ( I would have said Alexander, but Alexander was stopped by mutiny not death. Also he can be compared to Suvorov and Napoleon as Suvorov never Lost a battle and was outnumbered most of the time, and Napoleon is considered the greatest military mind in history, just like Thrawn). This is the man who actually got respect out of Palpatine, which is a remarkable feat, considering anyone who questioned the Emperor in his face usually ends up dead. It is a pity he died, would have been useful against the Yuzzan Vong.
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On a somewhat unrelated note, at least Vitiate doesn't look like a mutant version of Gollum. http://darthipedia.com/wiki/Palpatine
(Yes I know this is not canon, obviously but if nothing else, just the picture, and despite the comic aspect, I think we can agree on some things)
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I didn't say that. I did mean that it wasn't as stupid as body checking a lightsaber.
Is that stupidity? Or is it paranoia?
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