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    Jedi vs Adeptus Astartes (space marines)

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    Actually that's been retconned, Matt Ward and Phil Kelly have stated in their respective works that at any one time there are 35,000 Ultramarines, I guess they figured how ridiculous it sounds to state 1,000 Space Marines managed to beat an entire Tyrannid hive fleet, similarly to how ridiculous it was when Karen Traviss tried to state the number of Clone Troopers that existed at any one time throughout the Clone Wars.

     

     

    Are those books considered canon? Have the released a new codex that states that? I'm not trying to be a jerk I'm genuinely curious? If you know a place where it states that as official canon please let me know. Now that that's out of the way.

     

    We always knew their were exceptions to the rule you know the Black Templars and all. I find it surprising the Ultramarines would have more than a thousand marines considering their Primarch was the one who wrote the Codex Astartes. Which is where it says each Chapter should only have a thousand marines.

     

    We talking the battle of Armageddon or what? That's the most recent time I remember Ultramarines fighting an entire Hive Fleet. I'm pretty sure their were multiple chapters deployed in that fight. Not to mention all the Imperial Guard, and Possibly Ordo Hereitcus troops.

     

     

    I'm not really sure though my knowledge of 40K fluff may be outdated.

    Jedi vs Adeptus Astartes (space marines)

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    One on One? between an Average Jedi and an Average Astartes? The Jedi first has to get to the Space Marine without getting blown up by basic bolter rounds or Krak/Frag Genades, they have no advantage of speed, strength and flexibility, as the Space Marines are super humans.

     

    Then we have the fact the Jedi would die far easier than an Astartes would, he has three times more organs than a normal human and we have seen Space Marines survive things that would kill any normal human and was just shoved into a Dreadnought to serve a couple of hundred more years.

     

    If we move on up to Librarians vs Jedi Masters, its a rather quick battle, Psychic Powers have proven far worse than what the normal Jedi Master can do with the Force, the Jedi has also lost his advantage of a Lightsaber as a Librarian has a Power Sword, so I'm going Astartes again.

     

    If we move even further up, it gets beyond ridiculously easy for the Astartes, even if we take Grand Master Luke, we would then put him against anyone Primarch or even The Emperor himself, in which he stands no chance.

     

    All-out war? Astartes' Navy trumps any Jedi or Republic navy.

     

    The Space Marines on the ground have a massive numbers advantage, around five hundred to One, when we consider that the height of the Jedi Order was 15,000 before the Clone Wars, just one Astartes Chapter(which there are a lot of) has more than that, their weaponry massively outmatches anything the Jedi can muster, Psychic Powers, Las Cannons and Battle-Cannons against the Force and Lightsabers? easily the Astartes.

     

    Honestly, the best chance of survival for the Jedi is to disappear and wage a shadow war and hope to the Will of the Force that the Adeptus Astartes just stop caring and move on to another battlefield.

     

     

    Just wanna say each chapter only has a thousand marines. Unless we are talking Black Templars. The only time they ahd more than a thousand per chapter is back when they were legions before the Horus Heresy.

     

     

    The problem with this matchup is that Jedi have "plot armour" Basically the force can do anything. Not to mention it'd be rare to find a Astartes alone. They are squad based warriors. I mean it's not unheard of, but not exactly the norm either.

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