ogchad Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) Hello guys, i'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this or ask these questions, but i'm going to do it anyways, i apologize if i'm in the wrong area or this was not meant to be on here... I'm currently running the hardware listed below, and my problem is my fps keep's bottlenecking. When i'm not in the main cities or warzones my fps stays consistant around 60 - 110 fps, when i join cities / warzones or an area where there's lots of animations or stuff going on my fps drops significantly down to 20 even 15 fps, i open the control center for my video card, and the usage only shows it at 20% - 30% being used, i check my task manager and my CPU is at 80% or more at times. When lowering resolution / graphics the fps does not increase at all, it still stays at the same FPS as it did on the highest resolution / highest graphic settings. My question is, is my CPU causing the bottlekneck, is it not strong enough to power my video card? out of my whole system my CPU is by far the worst piece of hardware i have and in my opinion it's causing my bottlekneck, but i am fairly knew to PC hardware that 's why i came here. If it was my video card and not my CPU i would expect my video card's usage to be maxed out and CPU usage not maxed out. WPO-620Q WT Power 620Watt (Max) ATX PS 12cm Ball-Bearing Fan ASUS P7P55D-E LX LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9S-4GBRL Intel Core i3-540 Clarkdale 3.06GHz LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80616I3540 Sapphire Radeon HD 6790 1 GB DDR5 DL-DVI-I/SL-DVI-D/HDMI/DP PCI-Express Graphics Card 100316L ^My current hardware, video card / ram are only a couple weeks old. Please only post if you really know what you're talking about and have significant information, i'm planning to purchase a I5 Quad Core or an I7 Quad Core but i'm not sure if the i7 is worth the increase in $ over just purchasing the i5 for 100$ less. thank you alot! Edited January 1, 2012 by ogchad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metallicantera Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 i5 2500k is nice only 220 bucks what ive had my eye for a bit now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabaal Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) TOR is quite CPU intensive but an i3 should in no way be bottle-necking that card. If you do upgrade only go for an i7 if you frequently use apps that will make use of it, if you don't then just go for an i5 as the performance between the two is almost identical in gaming. Edited January 1, 2012 by Kabaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metallicantera Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 also the games really terribly optimized atm so i would wait it out not worth upgrading alot of people are having fps issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHouse Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 also the games really terribly optimized atm so i would wait it out not worth upgrading alot of people are having fps issues i doubt the external validity of this statement, I just upgraded my machine, payed about 1k to dell for a desktop, and my fps is now 60 at medium, vs its original 20 on my laptop. im aware that people are complaining on the forums but like i said, not a lot of external validity in that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogchad Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 Thank's Kabaal, the only reason i thought it was my CPU is cause when the FPS starts to drop i notice my CPU usage is always maxed out around 70 - 90%, card constantly stays at 30% or less... never pushed any higher. You got any idea of an i5 that would be worth getting? that will fit in a Lynnfield board ( socket 1156) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceasaigh Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 You have a mid range card with a CPU that's not really designed to be a gaming CPU. Others will disagree but when you pair a high to mid level gaming GPU with low end entry level CPU you're going to get a bottle neck. The i7 2600k (What I'm currently running) is well worth the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogchad Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 You have a mid range card with a CPU that's not really designed to be a gaming CPU. Others will disagree but when you pair a high to mid level gaming GPU with low end entry level CPU you're going to get a bottle neck. The i7 2600k (What I'm currently running) is well worth the money. Will that work in a Lynnfield board (socket 1156) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaRockStar Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I think you are right about your CPU being the bottleneck. I just upgraded from a Core 2 Duo @ 3.4GHz to a i5-2500k which is a quad core and there has been a huge improvement to FPS stability. It never stutters even in busy areas. Unfortunately you have the older socket, 1156 so you can't buy the i5-2500k. But there are still plenty of good CPUs you can get. Its about time you get a quad core, almost every game uses multiple cores now days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RachelAnne Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 An I7 you only need if you are working with graphic intense programms, an 2500k is only needed if you want to OC, else pick a 2500 or 2400. The I3 is not really the problem in your system, I dont think that SWTOR can adress 4 cores anyways. I think that the GPU is the bottleneck but it could also have other reasons, a PC has more components Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogchad Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 Would this suffice for a CPU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonCowz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) Your computer specs are pretty similar to mine, everything you have is a slight upgrade to my stuff. I get about 25 fps in warzones and the republic fleet. i was getting 15ish until i overclocked my GPU. You should have catalyst control center for your video card, there is a tab called overclocking, i overclock the GPU on my hd 5770 all the way, except I dont overclock the memory at all. I have had it overclocked for about 6 months without an issue. You may want to do some google searching about your specific video card and how it handles with overclocking, but you should be good. Hope this helps a little, dont expect too drastic of results from this. ps. I have all graphics on high except shadows off edit: guy above me, that would work fine for swtor, the speed is a bit slow but it is still better than what i am using Edited January 1, 2012 by DemonCowz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boefje Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 An 2500k as more have said here it will be more than enough, however, if I'd had the money to buy that I'd wait till march when the new Ivy bridge will be out. With the money you'll pay now, in march you will easely outperform what you'd buy today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogchad Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) An 2500k as more have said here it will be more than enough, however, if I'd had the money to buy that I'd wait till march when the new Ivy bridge will be out. With the money you'll pay now, in march you will easely outperform what you'd buy today. I cannot use the 2500k that is sandy bridge i believe (socket 1155) my board is Lynnfield (socket 1156) trying to find a good one to get that will fit my board now Anyone got any ideas thanks all for ur input appreciate it a lot. Edited January 1, 2012 by ogchad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogchad Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 An I7 you only need if you are working with graphic intense programms, an 2500k is only needed if you want to OC, else pick a 2500 or 2400. The I3 is not really the problem in your system, I dont think that SWTOR can adress 4 cores anyways. I think that the GPU is the bottleneck but it could also have other reasons, a PC has more components what other components are there that i could list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonCowz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 what other components are there that i could list? Nothing that would really matter. Your computer is fine, your performance really isnt bad at all. Just make sure all your drivers are up to date and look in to overclocking your GPU.... you could overclock your processor too but I dont know much about your processor so you should researh how that handles, but the GPU will be thr more important thing to overclock. This is pretty much all you can do short of buying upgrades... which I dont think you really need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogchad Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 An 2500k as more have said here it will be more than enough, however, if I'd had the money to buy that I'd wait till march when the new Ivy bridge will be out. With the money you'll pay now, in march you will easely outperform what you'd buy today. Yeah but would have to buy a new motherboard and all then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RachelAnne Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) what other components are there that i could list? Oh, well the power supply, also the HDD can be important. Also what kind of drivers you are using atm, how the catalyst control center settings look like. Its always hard to give a "right" answer to questions like "will it run better" - every PC is different and if ya dont sit infront of it, its hard to say whats wrong with it There is a reason why self build PC´s always outperform those premade´s which a shop sells - advanced people do pick every piece of hard and software very carefully, but as a "novice" people usually think 2500k, AMD or nvidia card, 8 GB ram = perfecet ^^ If you want to upgrade your CPU, then also make sure that your Power supply is sufficent, the CPU you posted above does need about 35 TPW more than your current does. If the CPU will help you, I dont know. The CPU is a quad but a quad does not guarentee you more fps. There are many people with AMD quad´s who have low fps, I think the game has problems with adressing all 4 cores but thats just my "feeling" - its not a proven fact. You did upgrade the ram and GPU you said, so I am guessing you still have the old Power supply in there? It could also be, that it does not deliver enough power for your current system. Edited January 1, 2012 by RachelAnne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogchad Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) Oh, well the power supply, also the HDD can be important. Also what kind of drivers you are using atm, how the catalyst control center settings look like. Its always hard to give a "right" answer to questions like "will it run better" - every PC is different and if ya dont sit infront of it, its hard to say whats wrong with it If you want to upgrade your CPU, then also make sure that your Power supply is sufficent, the CPU you posted above does need about 35 TPW more than your current does. If the CPU will help you, I dont know. The CPU is a quad but a quad does not guarentee you more fps. There are many people with AMD quad´s who have low fps, I think the game has problems with adressing all 4 cores but thats just my "feeling" - its not a proven fact. You did upgrade the ram and GPU you said, so I am guessing you still have the old Power supply in there? It could also be, that it does not deliver enough power for your current system. I have all the drivers updated to recent and i just listed my current power supply to my original post. Power supply was updated also it's 620 wats and supports AMD / Intel quad cores. Would that power the CPU i listed above? Edited January 1, 2012 by ogchad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelixUnlimited Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Hello guys, i'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this or ask these questions, but i'm going to do it anyways, i apologize if i'm in the wrong area or this was not meant to be on here... I'm currently running the hardware listed below, and my problem is my fps keep's bottlenecking. When i'm not in the main cities or warzones my fps stays consistant around 60 - 110 fps, when i join cities / warzones or an area where there's lots of animations or stuff going on my fps drops significantly down to 20 even 15 fps, i open the control center for my video card, and the usage only shows it at 20% - 30% being used, i check my task manager and my CPU is at 80% or more at times. When lowering resolution / graphics the fps does not increase at all, it still stays at the same FPS as it did on the highest resolution / highest graphic settings. My question is, is my CPU causing the bottlekneck, is it not strong enough to power my video card? out of my whole system my CPU is by far the worst piece of hardware i have and in my opinion it's causing my bottlekneck, but i am fairly knew to PC hardware that 's why i came here. If it was my video card and not my CPU i would expect my video card's usage to be maxed out and CPU usage not maxed out. WPO-620Q WT Power 620Watt (Max) ATX PS 12cm Ball-Bearing Fan ASUS P7P55D-E LX LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9S-4GBRL Intel Core i3-540 Clarkdale 3.06GHz LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80616I3540 Sapphire Radeon HD 6790 1 GB DDR5 DL-DVI-I/SL-DVI-D/HDMI/DP PCI-Express Graphics Card 100316L ^My current hardware, video card / ram are only a couple weeks old. Please only post if you really know what you're talking about and have significant information, i'm planning to purchase a I5 Quad Core or an I7 Quad Core but i'm not sure if the i7 is worth the increase in $ over just purchasing the i5 for 100$ less. thank you alot! i may be wrong but last i checked if you want a quadcore your going to have to change your motherboard to an LGA 1155 a quick search on google and all i could find was dual core i5's for an LGA 1156 you may have to upgrade your mobo aswell if you want a quadcore. i may be wrong and if i am im sure i'll get flamed for it regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonCowz Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Well since you dont seem to care for overclocking i will just say this. Dont be disappointed when you spend a bunch of money on that processor and a new motherboard and it does nothing... because that is what will most likely be the case. 4 cores doesnt mean better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogchad Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) Well since you dont seem to care for overclocking i will just say this. Dont be disappointed when you spend a bunch of money on that processor and a new motherboard and it does nothing... because that is what will most likely be the case. 4 cores doesnt mean better. Would there be a point to overclocking the video card when its only at 20% usage? i will try overclocking it for sure, i just figured if the card was the problem it would be using a lot more then 20% of it's potential, and when im playing the CPU usage is maxed out, which is why i thought it was the CPU. Edited January 1, 2012 by ogchad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogchad Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 i may be wrong but last i checked if you want a quadcore your going to have to change your motherboard to an LGA 1155 a quick search on google and all i could find was dual core i5's for an LGA 1156 you may have to upgrade your mobo aswell if you want a quadcore. i may be wrong and if i am im sure i'll get flamed for it regardless. There are i5 / i7 quad cores that will fit in a 1156 board, I found a bunch just not sure if i should purchase one or not, or which to purchase. thanks everyone for your input and help by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazcat Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Might be OT but that power supply has a strange way of listing its output. If I read it right 20a on +12 and 20 a on -12. Isn't that only a 240 watt PS on a single 20a 12 volt rail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogchad Posted January 1, 2012 Author Share Posted January 1, 2012 Might be OT but that power supply has a strange way of listing its output. If I read it right 20a on +12 and 20 a on -12. Isn't that only a 240 watt PS on a single 20a 12 volt rail? no idea =/ would like to know lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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