JoeGrizzley Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I hope im not the only one whos seen most of the forums posts and been saddened to see the shear number of people, who expect SWTOR to be up to the standard of WoW which has been out 7 years and had all that time to change and add new features, compared to our SWTOR that hasnt even been out a month. I just find it abit silly But they thats just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadysketchy Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 This isn't 2004 SWTOR needed to be able to compete with the current market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGrizzley Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 yeah thats understandable, but you honestly expect them to have absolutely everything people want straight away at launch? As soon as people have one demand met, they straight away find another thing to want/demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirshipGirl Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I hope im not the only one whos seen most of the forums posts and been saddened to see the shear number of people, who expect SWTOR to be up to the standard of WoW which has been out 7 years and had all that time to change and add new features, compared to our SWTOR that hasnt even been out a month. I just find it abit silly But they thats just my opinion. This argument does not work. Bioware said they were going after WoW, that means they have to compete with WoW 2011, not 2004. Also, Bioware had 7 years of Blizzard doing allthe work for them. Bioware could look at WoW to see what worked and what didn't work. So no, do not use this argument that WoW has been out for 7 years. Not having something as simple as adjustable UI, guild banks, better character customization, and more responsive combat is no excuse in today's market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eegorr Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I find it even more amazing that people are defending TORs shortcommings with what WoW was like seven years ago. Technology has advanced. Cars are no longer started by manually cranking the engine and the fact that other companies have made poor design decisions does not excuse Bioware from doing the same. Don't get me wrong. I like this game. It has many things going for it, but I respectfully disagree completely with the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodiruk Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 yeah thats understandable, but you honestly expect them to have absolutely everything people want straight away at launch? As soon as people have one demand met, they straight away find another thing to want/demand. I'm more put off about some of the easier features that didn't make it in at launch. Also, some of the bugs are pretty ridiculous. Examples of features: - No /roll - No guild bank Examples of bugs: - Guild chat, or other chats, not working for people. - Ability responsiveness delay I still love the game and will continue to play. But some of these things make me wonder what happened during the 6 years of development that they couldn't add or fix these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGrizzley Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 Don't get me wrong. I like this game. It has many things going for it, but I respectfully disagree completely with the OP. At least your polite about it, i was just stating what i thought, and its nice to see some one who can point out what they think with out shoving something down your throat or being extremely hostile. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodiruk Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Also, Bioware had 7 years of Blizzard doing allthe work for them. Bioware could look at WoW to see what worked and what didn't work. So no, do not use this argument that WoW has been out for 7 years. Not having something as simple as adjustable UI, guild banks, better character customization, and more responsive combat is no excuse in today's market. I agree completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crogga Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) yeah thats understandable, but you honestly expect them to have absolutely everything people want straight away at launch? As soon as people have one demand met, they straight away find another thing to want/demand. No they just need to have enough to keep people from getting bored. I already bored during the leveling process because: Current LFG tool sucks and can't find groups (defeats social purpose) World already feels dead- above doesn't help (too much sharding?) Boxed in linear feel Lack of combat/spell variety Lack of dual spec and AC change makes above worse The stories are not strong enough to counter those things for me past a certain point. I'm trucking along but it's becoming unenjoyable. Edited December 31, 2011 by Crogga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirshipGirl Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 At least your polite about it, i was just stating what i thought, and its nice to see some one who can point out what they think with out shoving something down your throat or being extremely hostile. thanks Nobody jumped down your throat or even attacked you, we commented on your post. If what we said hurt your feelings you shouldn't be posting on these message boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGrizzley Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 I understand what some of you guys have said, and i definetly see where your coming from. Im still experiencing some problems with the game, like i cannot pvp at all due to massive stuttering problems, but i still like the game. Although i cant comment on the UI as i have no problem with it, and when i played Wow along time ago i just added the extra side bars and never had a single mod on my game and i did ok. but yeah theres room for improvement, but lets just give them abit more time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eegorr Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 yeah thats understandable, but you honestly expect them to have absolutely everything people want straight away at launch? As soon as people have one demand met, they straight away find another thing to want/demand. No, not everything, but some fundamental things. What also saddens me a bit is that a lot of the stuff is sub-par even to their own games. Character creation being one of them. I also think that many people are disappointed in that this game doesn't revolutionize anything. Everything it does has been done in other games. This is not necessarilly a bad thing. It just plays very safe, but this frustration might lead people to give it some unwarranted criticism when aspects that they were sick to death of in MMO X appear here as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kesayo Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Well, if people don't complain then how will the devs know which features to focus on? If the game launched and no one said anything because everyone was like, "oh well, it just came out so I shouldn't complain about broken or missing features," then the devs would be like "ok, well if they like it the way it is, and we're just gonna go work on other stuff." Now, the people who rage quit because the economy isn't mature yet or there isn't enough end game material 2 weeks after launch are f-ing idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeGrizzley Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 Nobody jumped down your throat or even attacked you, we commented on your post. If what we said hurt your feelings you shouldn't be posting on these message boards. I never said you did or any one else in this thread at all, i was just pointing out what a nice change it was. Of course theres going to be some friction, but your assumptions to jump on some one straight away for saying how polite some one is being is unneeded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodiruk Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 No, not everything, but some fundamental things. What also saddens me a bit is that a lot of the stuff is sub-par even to their own games. Character creation being one of them. I also think that many people are disappointed in that this game doesn't revolutionize anything. Everything it does has been done in other games. This is not necessarilly a bad thing. It just plays very safe, but this frustration might lead people to give it some unwarranted criticism when aspects that they were sick to death of in MMO X appear here as well. I'm going to have to disagree here. The story line/questing in this game is amazing. I admit, I haven't played every mmorpg out there. But could you please point me to a game that has a better or even similar story line / questing system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralShade Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 It is because many people can't comprehend how much work has been put into this game, and expect it to be end of all MMOs right out of the gate. This game has the potential to be the best MMO to date by a large margin, but MMOs by design take time to tune, balance, perfect. Of course none of the complainers here understand the amount of works it takes to develop a game, let alone an MMO, let alone a *fully voiced* MMO. Therefore, they cannot appreciate ToR for what it is, and what it will likely become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTed Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 This isn't 2004 SWTOR needed to be able to compete with the current market Seriously, how old are you? Be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyhorsek Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 The only thing I have to complain about swtor really is the damn sharding... I hate it. It goes against my idea of having ppl "moving all around" and the feel that "nice I'm playing with lots of ppl" instead of "ok, I have no lag, but this stupid sharding makes me only see npcs"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodiruk Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 It is because many people can't comprehend how much work has been put into this game, and expect it to be end of all MMOs right out of the gate. This game has the potential to be the best MMO to date by a large margin, but MMOs by design take time to tune, balance, perfect. Of course none of the complainers here understand the amount of works it takes to develop a game, let alone an MMO, let alone a *fully voiced* MMO. Therefore, they cannot appreciate ToR for what it is, and what it will likely become. I am a programmer and fully understand the amount of time it takes. Please let me know how they couldn't put a guild bank or /roll in at launch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralShade Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I am a programmer and fully understand the amount of time it takes. Please let me know how they couldn't put a guild bank or /roll in at launch? Priorities....deadlines...simple. If you follow the Devs you know this is at the top of their list of features to add to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodiruk Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Seriously, how old are you? Be honest. How old are you? He's right. Imagine a world where every product had to compete with others like it based on models that were 7 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirshipGirl Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I understand what some of you guys have said, and i definetly see where your coming from. Im still experiencing some problems with the game, like i cannot pvp at all due to massive stuttering problems, but i still like the game. Although i cant comment on the UI as i have no problem with it, and when i played Wow along time ago i just added the extra side bars and never had a single mod on my game and i did ok. but yeah theres room for improvement, but lets just give them abit more time? Time is not a luxary Bioware has in this market. Games are judged from first impressions. Also, I recall beta people saying they had brought these issues up time and time again when the game was in beta. The response from some players was, *give them time*, it's always give them time. A month from now, people will be give them time, then 6 months from now, a year from now. Nope...they've been working on the game since Pandemic and Bioware merged. They've had plenty of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eegorr Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I'm going to have to disagree here. The story line/questing in this game is amazing. I admit, I haven't played every mmorpg out there. But could you please point me to a game that has a better or even similar story line / questing system? Sure. The companions and storylines are taken from Biowares previous titles (Mass Effect, and KOTOR are the ones I have played). These games are fantastic (apart from ME2 which I really didn't enjoy) and have exactly the same type of storyline questing system. The difference here is that when you in a game like KOTOR do the side quests, you here do them in the MMO world with other players and you share your side quests if you will. The MMO itself plays and feels like WoW, except for the way crafting is handled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyhorsek Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Seriously, how old are you? Be honest. He's right to an extent. If you buy a car today... are you comparing it to Ford Model T, or are you expecting your brand new car to come out with all the features included in previous cars, AND MORE...? You dont want to hear "man... relax, it will evolve... remember the ford T? It didnt even have AC, so chill, they'll put it in also... in like... 80 years" So... I have to somewhat agree with him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoggyMack Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 This isn't 2004 SWTOR needed to be able to compete with the current market It does compete with the current market. Lucasarts pulled the plug on the OTHER star wars MMO, so no competition from that hot mess. Tabula Rasa died. Huxley never got off the ground. Star Trek Online went Free to Play right as this game launched, totally conceding the fight. That leaves Eve as the only spaceship/laster pistol having MMORPG out there to compete with this game. As far as fantasy based MMORPGs go, this game's doing better than LOTRO, EQ, EQ 2, GW1, Rift, DAoC, and just about any other fantasy based MMORPG you can think of save one. World of Warcraft. But that game has its own issues to deal with (Pandas). And so all Bioware has to do to stay competitive is keep developing this game. And wow, check that out, there's a content patch in the works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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