Why pvp? Help!

[Keoden_Burel]

First a story, I bought there-order of this game and I played for the first 2 years or so (I have 1st and 2nd Anniversary Fireworks in my Cargo Hold) at that time there was little to no new content, I was sick of the same heroics and dailies and because at that time it felt like there was a push for PVP and everything was gearing and moving towards all things PVP.

 

I can’t do PVP, I don’t like PVP, I’m not a gamer at all, before coming back to TOR the last game I played was Pokémon Violet for 2 months when it came out, I’m not a gamer I am a Star Wars fan and I still believe the story’s here can still be part of the cannon, so I don’t PVP but not only that, it causes me great anxiety so much so that I just can’t do it, I’ll either shake uncontrollability kinda like when a person goes into shock or I’ll freeze up  

 

So I left this game until recently,  knowing one day I’d return when there was more content to keep be busy  

 

So I figured 8-10 years of new content this would be awesome.

 

However now I have a mission that your forcing me to do PVP which i can’t do

 

I’ve been looking for an answer to this problem, a lot of smart people worked on this game and you can’t tell me they made this without without a solution, there various support groups for stuff like this they had to know about but so far I haven’t been able to find an answer.

 

I’ve talked to people who have left this game and people who just didn’t do the one quest and they said it caused them some issues after.

 

I haven’t slept much in the last 3 days and I’m completely overwhelmed about this, how am I suppose to complete this mission on any of my 17 toons when physically, mentally I can’t do PVP?

 

“The booming vocoder for freedom” you have to win 10 unranked warzone matches just the thought of having to compete in a bare minimum 170 more when I loose and I will loose, back in the day there was a physical group of people who played TOR so if this happened back then I could have just had them do it for me but I can’t find any trace of them and I’m not giving out my info to anyone so I can’t ask anyone to do it for me and it’s not like it’s something I can get another person who loves PVP loot 10 items for me to use to complete it and there’s so far no cartel unlocks so as of yet I can’t find a solution 

 

Customer service told me to repost this here so that the Dev’s could help me out since apperently customer service can’t help me.

 

I don’t want to have to stop playing because I’ll never be able to finish past this quest and you can’t tell me there isn’t an answer when this is a fairly common issue 

 

Help me obi-wan Kenobi, your my only hope

[VilianSW]

Unless you're really obsessed to get this one companion, just let it hang there, don't complete it. It's just one companion and the mission doesn't mean a thing story-wise.

Personally found it a heavy ordeal to finish on my rep main, don't want to suffer same thing when doing this for any other alt. And there's its imp mirror for Lt. Pierce, which I'm passing on as well.

Just let it go, it's not worth to beat yourself over it. Go and enjoy the PVE aspect of the game, there's a lot out there to enjoy for non-pvpers.

[Keoden_Burel]

6 minutes ago, VilianSW said:

Unless you're really obsessed to get this one companion, just let it hang there, don't complete it. It's just one companion and the mission doesn't mean a thing story-wise.

Personally found it a heavy ordeal to finish on my rep main, don't want to suffer same thing when doing this for any other alt. And there's its imp mirror for Lt. Pierce, which I'm passing on as well.

Just let it go, it's not worth to beat yourself over it. Go and enjoy the PVE aspect of the game, there's a lot out there to enjoy for non-pvpers.

Like i said i don’t want to have to stop playing, your suggestion is just that, it’s saying stop playing altogether because there’s no point since I can’t finish 

I realize that’s not what your trying to say but ultimately, that is what you’re saying

 

 

Edited September 5 by Keoden_Burel

[VilianSW]

If one unfinished mission that doesn't stop story progress is all that you need to make you quit playing altogether, it is your choice - and yours choice only.

Personally I didn't rage quit after failing The Asylum or many datacron hunts - I can't do jumping quests for the life of me, so thanks to that got quite a list of unfinished missions in mission log. Couple of failed missions won't make me go away from everything that I love about the game though.

What I'm saying is - if that one unrecruited companion is a reason for you to walk away - good luck out there, it's ultimately your choice. You're leaving behind many enjoyable things the game still has, but it's your decision to focus on negativity from single non-game-breaking thing.

[kjarnage]

No need to quit. there are a few things you can do.  I am not sure what mission is the problem but I doubt it is in the story line.  unless it is in the story line just skip it.  For example Pierce you can just let that returning comp hang in mission log. I have a lot more comps than I can ever use.

The other option is to look for a guild that will carry you. For example plenty of guilds will help with datacrons, 

The other option is to pay someone or a group to carry you. this is frequently done in the hardest operations.  

I am sure a pvp guild would help you.  

Players also often ask for help with the warrior mission in the dune sea or HK missions. 

There is piles on just storyline to do that often people skip side missions...

 

Good luck.

 

 

 

[Strathkin]

On 9/5/2024 at 2:40 PM, Keoden_Burel said:

Like i said i don’t want to have to stop playing, your suggestion is just that, it’s saying stop playing altogether because there’s no point since I can’t finish 

I realize that’s not what your trying to say but ultimately, that is what you’re saying

If the Companion is Pierce from a Warrior provided you had him at least Influence 10, you don't even require to do any PvP in fact...

• Now if you earn him on other Classes, that is your choice, and even if you loose it only takes 20 matches; or far less if you win them all.
• Win's count for 3x in PvP Warzones, like you don't like PvP yet some I try to enjoy like Hutt Ball, just not a big fan of Death Match.
• The same applies to Trooper for M1-4X provided they Influence 10 from Class Story, which isn't hard to do.

Edited September 26 by Strathkin

[Keoden_Burel]

I knew this was a bad idea eslry

no one here understands what I’m saying 

I can not do pvp period these last 2 people commenting just made me so much worse and not at all helping it’s just that I don’t like it, if it was that simple I wouldn’t be overwhelmed and stressed out 

i am now on day 4 of little to no sleep because the anxiety over this is getting worse, any solution that it’s going to involve ANY form of pvp will cause me great mental health issues so not even remotely helpful, I couldn’t even push the little button to Que for warzone just looking at it stresses me out nd is super triggering

anyone suggesting to just ignore it, your not helping you’ll drive my ocd even worse why buy or play a game you can’t complete?

anyone suggesting to just not do the quest your also not helping same thing as the last

if the dev’s have designed this and not a solution to this problem for people like me who just can’t do this for mental health reasons, don’t forget I’m not the only one, then that means I can’t finish the game and my ocd can’t handle that so if thy don’t have an answer then I’ll have them refund my money and not play anymore and I’ll make sure all the support groups know and make sure everyone knows they don’t care about anyone’s mental health, which I can’t even say with a straight face as the people I have felt with so far on staff have been great, not always great at explaining but great in everything else

 

however while my main is stuck on this mission (Jedi knight) I haven’t started it on anymore else so I’ll make sure my troopers and Sith warriors have them over 10 that is super helpful if it means I’ll not have to do pvp 

i also don’t think I care about all of my 17 toons getting the pvp companions I know for sure I would do one without each just to see what happens but there is about 8-10 toons I’d really want them on 

“Now if you decide to however earn him on other Classes, that is your choice, and even if you loose it only takes 20 matches; or 10 if you win them all.” See again there is NO “deciding” the game is a huge spanning story it was written at this moment to get the companions that’s how you play anything less is incomplete and that alone will fester and cause more issues, why would anyone spend all this money to play a game they can’t finish?

however if I understand correctly what your saying is I could just enter the battle, spark a joint and chill, let them kill me 20 times and it’s done? I might might be able to work with that if I can click on it 

Edited September 6 by Keoden_Burel

[Keoden_Burel]

3 hours ago, kjarnage said:

No need to quit. there are a few things you can do.  I am not sure what mission is the problem but I doubt it is in the story line.  unless it is in the story line just skip it.  For example Pierce you can just let that returning comp hang in mission log. I have a lot more comps than I can ever use.

The other option is to look for a guild that will carry you. For example plenty of guilds will help with datacrons, 

The other option is to pay someone or a group to carry you. this is frequently done in the hardest operations.  

I am sure a pvp guild would help you.  

Players also often ask for help with the warrior mission in the dune sea or HK missions. 

There is piles on just storyline to do that often people skip side missions...

 

Good luck.

 

 

 

So your answer is to brake game rules and give out my password and to lay someone? Please, I really want to tell you to re read my post it’s like you saw one tiny part and that’s your tangent

there use to be a physical group in my city but they don’t exist anymore

so there is getting the companion 

or

Quitting  becuse you can’t complete the game (I do love how many of you can just let go and not do it and think it’s ok or an easy thing to do)

This is the first and so far only quest I haven’t been able to do since the game came out, I just ran the whole HK mission because I was board waiting for responses it’s just long and boring not very hard 

remember I CANT PVP I either freeze up or shake uncontrollability how can a lvl guild help that? Or how can they help with the aftercare? 

[Keoden_Burel]

7 hours ago, VilianSW said:

If one unfinished mission that doesn't stop story progress is all that you need to make you quit playing altogether, it is your choice - and yours choice only.

Personally I didn't rage quit after failing The Asylum or many datacron hunts - I can't do jumping quests for the life of me, so thanks to that got quite a list of unfinished missions in mission log. Couple of failed missions won't make me go away from everything that I love about the game though.

What I'm saying is - if that one unrecruited companion is a reason for you to walk away - good luck out there, it's ultimately your choice. You're leaving behind many enjoyable things the game still has, but it's your decision to focus on negativity from single non-game-breaking thing.

Yes it most certainly does. It means you can’t complete the game, have you never heard about anxiety or stresss or ocd you do realize how much you just triggered my ocd and anxiety right now no the game is not enjoyable and you’ve made it so much worse thank you for fraaking my mental health even more 

where are the Dev’s? I was told this is were they read all and answer all, please no more unhelpful comments and if you can’t respect my mental health don’t post 

if you want to rage quit go a head, this is a mental health issue, if you read the original post you would have seen that and by now you should know the difference by now and my mental health IS more important then any game and it’s pretty arrogant of you to dare think to tell me how I feel, I have no anger or rage just anxiety and stress and in need of sleep which won’t happen tonight 

Edited September 6 by Keoden_Burel

[SteveTheCynic]

6 hours ago, Keoden_Burel said:

So your answer is to brake game rules and give out my password and to lay someone? Please, I really want to tell you to re read my post it’s like you saw one tiny part and that’s your tangent

No, that wasn't what was suggested.  The suggestion of getting people to carry you is that you play your character in a group situation (group up with a bunch of folks, then the group queues for the group activity, whether that's flashpoints, operations or even PvP), while the other members of the group do the work of getting you through it.  (They "carry" you in the same was as a certain someone carried the narrator in the "Footprints" parable.)

They're unlikely to do it for free, unless its a guild situation, but the payment could easily be in-game stuff (rare resources if you have them, credits, etc.) rather than real-world cash or some equivalent.  (And a group that wants real-world cash for helping you with your unwillingness to do PvP is way out of line, and you should avoid it like the plague.)

6 hours ago, Keoden_Burel said:

there use to be a physical group in my city but they don’t exist anymore

That matters exactly not at all.  You can find groups of randoms from all across the country, or even all around the world at least as easily as just folks from your city.

[Keoden_Burel]

38 minutes ago, SteveTheCynic said:

No, that wasn't what was suggested.  The suggestion of getting people to carry you is that you play your character in a group situation (group up with a bunch of folks, then the group queues for the group activity, whether that's flashpoints, operations or even PvP), while the other members of the group do the work of getting you through it.  (They "carry" you in the same was as a certain someone carried the narrator in the "Footprints" parable.)

They're unlikely to do it for free, unless its a guild situation, but the payment could easily be in-game stuff (rare resources if you have them, credits, etc.) rather than real-world cash or some equivalent.  (And a group that wants real-world cash for helping you with your unwillingness to do PvP is way out of line, and you should avoid it like the plague.)

That matters exactly not at all.  You can find groups of randoms from all across the country, or even all around the world at least as easily as just folks from your city.

Ya that was in response to what I thought you meant of giving my password out, the group was someplace to go to play with others together like a lan party with drinks and smoke etc. back in SWG I could go there and log into my game and have them do whatever pvp I needed, they also did it for tor but when tor came out and the first year it was fine it wasn’t until year 2 there was what felt like a major push towards pvp 

so ok your idea is good, how do I get over the anxiety and the stress and how it’s keeping me up, thinking of PVP (which apparently no one understands) triggers me so doing the pvp even if another is “carrying me” I still have the mental anguish and issues doing it 

it’s not like that dude who didn’t know what “rage” meant, I’m not mad or angry it’s how it’s triggering and messing with my mental health and how everyone seems to think that doesn’t matter which in itself is triggering

ive just spent the last 3 hours trying to psych myself up just to press the cue button to go into a war zone 

It’s not just that I’ll suck because I know I will it’s what it’s doing to me mentally which is why there must be an answer the devs are too smart to put triggering activities into a game and not have a way around it for mental health reasons 

Which is why I say there’s only 2 real answers the devs do there thing or I leave again removing the triggering factors from my life but if I leave then I’ll need a refund as I just up’d my membership not too long ago 

 

[LD_Little_Dragon]

Unless this is an OCD issue, then just remind yourself that every alliance alert is OPTIONAL content.  You lose absolutely nothing by not picking up Pierce (or the pub equivalent M1-4X)  there have exactly zero (0) interactions with you after you get them in your companion stables.

The majority of my alts don't bother doing any alerts, or just do a couple for companions I want to run with for RP reasons.

It's no different then choosing not to pick up the operations storylines, bypassing all the flashpoint quest givers, or passing by heroics or sidequests.  There is a ton of optional content in the game that you can choose to just not do.

 

[SteveTheCynic]

4 hours ago, Keoden_Burel said:

it’s what it’s doing to me mentally which is why there must be an answer the devs are too smart to put triggering activities into a game and not have a way around it for mental health reasons

Indeed, and there *is* a way around it for whatever reason you don't want to do it.  @LD_Little_Dragon explained it just above my post: If you can't bring yourself to do PvP, then click the "untrack" checkbox in the alert mission and never bother with it again on that character.  On other characters, don't even launch the alert.  The alerts for M1-4X (for non-trooper(1) pubsiders) and Lt Pierce (for non-warrior(2) impsiders) are purely optional content.

And don't forget that the crew at the studio probably don't think of PvP as a triggering activity.

(1) Troopers who rank up M1-4X's Influence to at least 10 before launching KotFE don't have to do any PvP for that alert, and the same applies to Warriors who rank up Lt Pierce.  Other origins have to do the PvP because these companions' effective Influence is only rank 1 when you launch the alert.

[Keoden_Burel]

1 hour ago, SteveTheCynic said:

Indeed, and there *is* a way around it for whatever reason you don't want to do it.  @LD_Little_Dragon explained it just above my post: If you can't bring yourself to do PvP, then click the "untrack" checkbox in the alert mission and never bother with it again on that character.  On other characters, don't even launch the alert.  The alerts for M1-4X (for non-trooper(1) pubsiders) and Lt Pierce (for non-warrior(2) impsiders) are purely optional content.

And don't forget that the crew at the studio probably don't think of PvP as a triggering activity.

(1) Troopers who rank up M1-4X's Influence to at least 10 before launching KotFE don't have to do any PvP for that alert, and the same applies to Warriors who rank up Lt Pierce.  Other origins have to do the PvP because these companions' effective Influence is only rank 1 when you launch the alert.

Right which means leave the game again which I don’t want to do 

and sithspit they don’t know, that’s there job there’s support groups out there and again I’m not the only one and sure there are many people who can click it off and not have anxiety over not being able to finish the game, you want to lay all this money to buy and play a game and not be able to use it completely that’s on you and good on ya, doesn’t help me one bit

 

clearly no one here understands mental health so let’s not have any more comments from the peanut gallery and let’s hear some real helpful ideas and more importantly the devs and even if they for some random reason had no clue they can still work around it 

if you can’t understand that the thought of doing pvp is triggering and causing me great mental harm then don’t make suggestions they prob won’t help 

So if just thinking about pvp can trigger me and send me spiralling what the fraak do you think will happen if I got into pvp? Let’s use our big brains people it’s not that hard, be helpful not harmful!

Edited September 6 by Keoden_Burel

[DragoslavRadanov]

16 hours ago, Keoden_Burel said:

however if I understand correctly what your saying is I could just enter the battle, spark a joint and chill, let them kill me 20 times and it’s done? I might might be able to work with that if I can click on it 

Yes and no, for 8v8 warzones you'd have to play 20 warzones, however you'll have to play till completion. Either until the timer runs out or a team triggers a mercy rule like a 6-0 score in huttball. If arenas count you only need to do 20 as well, but arenas are minimum 2 rounds (3 if the same team doesn't win both rounds), so you'll only need to die at least 40 times instead of waiting out the WZ timer, since you infinitely respawn in WZs.

[DragoslavRadanov]

37 minutes ago, Strathkin said:

It's definately Warzones that are required, not Arena's. 

 

I know warzones are required. I was just curious if arenas counted because arenas and 8v8 regs weren't separated when that alert was made since ranked still existed. Back then it was either Unranked (8v8 maps, plus unranked arenas) or Ranked (just arenas)

[Darcmoon]

6 hours ago, Keoden_Burel said:

Right which means leave the game again which I don’t want to do 

and sithspit they don’t know, that’s there job there’s support groups out there and again I’m not the only one and sure there are many people who can click it off and not have anxiety over not being able to finish the game, you want to lay all this money to buy and play a game and not be able to use it completely that’s on you and good on ya, doesn’t help me one bit

 

clearly no one here understands mental health so let’s not have any more comments from the peanut gallery and let’s hear some real helpful ideas and more importantly the devs and even if they for some random reason had no clue they can still work around it 

if you can’t understand that the thought of doing pvp is triggering and causing me great mental harm then don’t make suggestions they prob won’t help 

So if just thinking about pvp can trigger me and send me spiralling what the fraak do you think will happen if I got into pvp? Let’s use our big brains people it’s not that hard, be helpful not harmful!

I'm not trying to be mean here but there are other missions that will pop up that you probably won't complete either.  I'm not sure if it is just PVP that you have an issue with but there are OPs missions also.  I've always looked at MMO's as generally having mission/quests that I won't complete for one reason or the other.  The alerts for Pierce and 4X are ones that it is doubtful they will change at this point.  Ever since they introduced those alerts there has been a section of the players that have complained about it and it is still the same as it originally was.  If this is something that you can not handle not completing, then quitting would be my suggestion.  It sucks if you do quit but don't drive yourself crazy worrying or obsessing about it.

[VilianSW]

10 hours ago, Keoden_Burel said:

clearly no one here understands mental health

 

You've just assumed that not a single of all the players over the forums is suffering from mental or physical issues cutting them off some parts of the game.

For example, you've just assumed nobody have ever had any issues with completing Oricon storyline - the one that concludes only after completing two 8m operations. You may or may have not any idea what kinds of suffering forced group activity can inflict.

If every single unfinished mission is making you hurt - this is not a game for you, please leave before it makes you suffer more. There are many missions here that you might need to just leave there hanging or they'll drive you insane with obsession.

[Abmong]

So what I'm getting is OP is an extreme completionist, but can't do pvp so the pvp quest is upsetting them... Sorry to say but there's no solution for that. You either have to ignore the quest as others have suggested or quit if you can't ignore it and it gets to you that much.

I'm having the opposite problem, I'm trying to pvp but can't get a pop. Lol.

There is a solution, and that's if devs create a no-pvp server, or a no-pvp game mode, but unfortunately it'll probably never happen.

Edited September 7 by Abmong

[arunav]

Queue for Warzones and guard objectives.

Type "help, (number of enemy players), your location on the map (east, west, south, mid, etc)" when the other team tries to take it, that even happens.

If you get a Huttball match, try to help your team's ball carrier. Another option, on a stealth character, is to stand near the other team's endzone to catch the ball, run it into the endzone (you have to come out of stealth to catch the ball). 

There's nothing that prevents you from being carried by 7 other random people in PVP warzones for 10 wins. You might even start enjoying a completely different part of the game.

Chances are, no matter what you contribute, you'll need about 20 matches with a 50% win rate, which is fairly typical for non-premade groups in Warzones.

Edited September 8 by arunav

[Aberd]

Fortunately you do not have to win any PVP match, you just have to do 10-20 depending on how often you win/lose.  It is a PITA, but that is the only way I know of at this time to clear the alert after you start it.  SO if you want to clear the alert and get the companions, blte your tongue and queue up for a few PVP matches (they do not have to be ranked).  Doing one or two a day makes it more bearable.

If you could get by with just standing in the starting area I would say to do that, but I think there is a mechanism in place preventing that (someone can confirm/deny).  SO do what I do, run around like a chicken without a head and attack anything with a red name tag.  No will know or care how good/bad you are.

It would however be nice to have the option to abandon the alert after you start it and forego having M1-4X and Pierce as companions once the alert is started.

Edited September 8 by Aberd

[DragoslavRadanov]

1 hour ago, Aberd said:

If you could get by with just standing in the starting area I would say to do that, but I think there is a mechanism in place preventing that (someone can confirm/deny).  SO do what I do, run around like a chicken without a head and attack anything with a red name tag.  No will know or care how good/bad you are.

 

Yes, if you stay in spawn or don't revive if you get killed you're put on a timer that auto kicks you after some amount of time (not in game, so can't confirm the actual amount of time you have, but guesstimate is about a minute, maybe less)

Edited September 8 by DragoslavRadanov

[recalcitrantIre]

On 9/6/2024 at 7:52 AM, Keoden_Burel said:

 I played for the first 2 years or so (I have 1st and 2nd Anniversary Fireworks in my Cargo Hold) at that time there was little to no new content

you played in the peak of the game and you're complaining about content?

yeah, listen to that obsessive inner voice in your head, quit again and never come back

[Traceguy]

 

On 9/5/2024 at 2:52 PM, Keoden_Burel said:

I haven’t slept much in the last 3 days and I’m completely overwhelmed about this,

You might be overthinking things. It's not something to lose sleep over. I've been playing for over 10 years now and I've never heard of "The booming vocoder for freedom" until today. I guess you do it if you want Pierce or 4X to join the alliance. Is that something you really want on all 17 toons? Because it's certainty not needed, and it's nothing I've wanted on my 37 toons. It likely serves as filler material so players during KOTFE had something to do while the devs took their time making more content. Similar to the Eternal Championship and Uprisings.

At the very least, pick a toon to be your "main", and complete the mission 1 time, and 1 time only. Don't worry about doing it 17 times. You can also accomplish it in smaller chunks. Don't play 20 PVP rounds in 1 day. Do 1 match per day, or per month, or per year, until it's done. Chances are you'll complete it before we ever see version 8.0