Dev Post JoeStramaglia Posted September 4 Dev Post Share Posted September 4 Hey folks! We have a change coming in 7.5.1b and we wanted to let you know about it ahead of time as it does affect DvL tokens that you may have in your inventory. Since 7.5.1 launched, we have seen feedback requesting that the DvL tokens become Legacy bound as opposed to being bound per character. After reviewing player feedback and also investigating what can be done under the hood, we will be moving forward with converting the DvL tokens to Legacy bound. However, there are adjustments that need to be made in order to make this possible. Below are the two changes that will go live in 7.5.1b. DvL tokens will be changing from Character-based to Legacy-based. This is to allow folks to spend their tokens at the vendors more easily without having to recall which Character has which tokens and make it easier to spend them with characters that can equip the alignment restricted armors even if they earned them on an opposite alignment. The weekly cap will be increased to 200 (up from 100), however, the inventory cap will remain at 100. This is to encourage players to spend tokens as the 100 limit is based on the costs of the items found on the DvL vendors. After the update, if you have over 100 tokens you will still have your tokens but be unable to earn more until you spend enough to be below the cap. Players who have over 100 Dark Tokens or over 100 Light Tokens across their Legacy are highly encouraged to spend some of them before the next patch goes out, so that you can continue to earn them after the change. We do not have an exact date for 7.5.1b, but we are currently targeting early to mid September. We will be communicating rollout details once a date has been solidified. May the Force Serve You 13 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikuvonDrake Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) Great update! It's surprising that this wasn’t part of the initial DvL launch, especially since legacy-wide currencies have been a highly requested feature for all character-specific tokens. In similar past situations, the token/currency cap was temporarily increased for players with more than 100 tokens when currencies were merged. It’s a bit disappointing that this wasn’t possible this time around—I’m guessing this is due to technical limitations, or am I misunderstanding your post? Edited September 4 by RikuvonDrake 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoBlakkrstal Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 13 minutes ago, JoeStramaglia said: Hey folks! We have a change coming in 7.5.1b and we wanted to let you know about it ahead of time as it does affect DvL tokens that you may have in your inventory. Since 7.5.1 launched, we have seen feedback requesting that the DvL tokens become Legacy bound as opposed to being bound per character. After reviewing player feedback and also investigating what can be done under the hood, we will be moving forward with converting the DvL tokens to Legacy bound. However, there are adjustments that need to be made in order to make this possible. Below are the two changes that will go live in 7.5.1b. DvL tokens will be changing from Character-based to Legacy-based. This is to allow folks to spend their tokens at the vendors more easily without having to recall which Character has which tokens and make it easier to spend them with characters that can equip the alignment restricted armors even if they earned them on an opposite alignment. The weekly cap will be increased to 200 (up from 100), however, the inventory cap will remain at 100. This is to encourage players to spend tokens as the 100 limit is based on the costs of the items found on the DvL vendors. After the update, if you have over 100 tokens you will still have your tokens but be unable to earn more until you spend enough to be below the cap. Players who have over 100 Dark Tokens or over 100 Light Tokens across their Legacy are highly encouraged to spend some of them before the next patch goes out, so that you can continue to earn them after the change. We do not have an exact date for 7.5.1b, but we are currently targeting early to mid September. We will be communicating rollout details once a date has been solidified. May the Force Serve You Oh goody, no new items available from the vendors, so I literally am running around with multiple toons already at the 100 cap, and you decided how cool it would be to make DvL tokens a GS reward, which has already proven to be a pain in the rear, and now you are making them legacy. Fantastic, so I am going to lose hundreds of DvL tokens that I have earned over years of game play because you decided to never add anything to the vendors. Thanks a heap. Just more reasons to consider leaving the game. You are taking away our stuff. Way to go guys. 1 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtGeneralGezlin Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 13 minutes ago, NeoBlakkrstal said: Oh goody, no new items available from the vendors, so I literally am running around with multiple toons already at the 100 cap, and you decided how cool it would be to make DvL tokens a GS reward, which has already proven to be a pain in the rear, and now you are making them legacy. Fantastic, so I am going to lose hundreds of DvL tokens that I have earned over years of game play because you decided to never add anything to the vendors. Thanks a heap. Just more reasons to consider leaving the game. You are taking away our stuff. Way to go guys. Uh... there are actually four new armor sets on the DvL vendors. Two Knight armors on the LS vendor, and two Inquisitor armors in the DS vendor.... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrFoge Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) 37 minutes ago, JoeStramaglia said: DvL tokens will be changing from Character-based to Legacy-based. This is to allow folks to spend their tokens at the vendors more easily without having to recall which Character has which tokens and make it easier to spend them with characters that can equip the alignment restricted armors even if they earned them on an opposite alignment. The weekly cap will be increased to 200 (up from 100), however, the inventory cap will remain at 100. This is to encourage players to spend tokens as the 100 limit is based on the costs of the items found on the DvL vendors. After the update, if you have over 100 tokens you will still have your tokens but be unable to earn more until you spend enough to be below the cap. Players who have over 100 Dark Tokens or over 100 Light Tokens across their Legacy are highly encouraged to spend some of them before the next patch goes out, so that you can continue to earn them after the change. Ummm this would be a super welcomed change if: A) There were new things in the DvL vendors to SPEND tokens on Or B) The cap was 1000 or even higher. The way it stands there are quite a few (including myself) players who played before DvL tokens were removed that have at least 1 character (if not easily 10+) characters at their current 100 cap because even before they were removed there was nothing new to spend them on so the tokens just passively accumulated. I am positive though this is going to piss off most of your older players if the cap isn't set much much higher. You can't just say "you have time to use them at the vendor" when the vendor hasn't been updated in literally years... Edited September 4 by TyrFoge 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimpeline Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) Great update, but why is it so easy to do it now and so complicated to do it with the Nar Shada coins during the last event? Sounded like making the coins in the casino Legacy bound was near impossible Edited September 4 by Gimpeline 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthjantom Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) Great change, saves me from having to search all my alts to find the one that had my tokens. Hopefully some of the other currencies you talked about potentially making legacy (like the Nightlife event casino chips) will happen eventually as well. Also do people even read what devs wrote? 39 minutes ago, JoeStramaglia said: After the update, if you have over 100 tokens you will still have your tokens but be unable to earn more until you spend enough to be below the cap. The post stating we can have over the 100 token cap after the update clearly indicates we we wont loose tokens just be unable to earn any more until we spend them to be below the cap. Edited September 4 by Darthjantom 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCOneTwoSixTwo Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 I'm very happy to see the currency being made legacy! Thanks! More Legacy-wide currencies is better overall. (Especially looking at you, Nightlife!) While I'm glad we won't lose tokens we have, I am also in the "Played a lot back in the day and have a lot of characters maxed out." It'll take a bundle of work to figure out who has what and spend enough to get back under the limit, so I'm probably not going to bother until the patch. It's good there are new items at the DVL vendors, but I was hoping for more new items. Decorations, dyes, crystals, Hexid/Ranos customizations or unlocks, and so on. Maybe a reusable stim/adrenal/medpack. I'm just throwing things out there. Many of my fellow players are in the camp of having maxed out alts, so I would like to suggest setting the cap higher, 3k for now. When you have time to implement the new items and introduce them, then you can drop the cap, after people can spend their currency on more new things. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riyar Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) The legacy-wide update IS great news, especially for the alignment-locked rewards... But currency limits in this game allowing us to buy only 1 or 2 of the high-cost items on some vendors has always been a point of frustration. I don't think it's unreasonable that some of us with over 1000 tokens should have to spend SOME down, but I'd like it if I could have a stash for spontaneously picking up more than 2 speeders without having to pre-plan on dozens of large-scale boss fights in order to afford something new. (Edit: Basically, though, I think it's the vendor prices that are a problem with the new system. If those are changing too then a limit of 100 might start looking more reasonable.) Edited September 4 by Riyar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicphoto Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Very happy to hear this and sharing it now with firiends that really wanted this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinowoman Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 I'm all in favour of making the currency legacy wide. It makes everything so much simpler. I do agree with some other posters though that it would be good to have a wider range of things to buy. Like many others, I have multiple toons who capped out under the old system, and nothing left on the vendors that I want to buy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enomars Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Thank you so much. I was being very careful about which toons I was gathering tokens on. For example exactly the toon to finish DVL that week or who am I picking to defeat the bosses with if farming. As we all have found out ranged are having a better time on these bosses.. particularly 35 meter ranged classes. my melee toons are not able to participate as effectively. the Armor sets are legacy bound already to that was never going to be an issue. its not that I can be sloppy now but I can bring any toon and I thank you for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyAdmiral Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyAdmiral Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 If someone has say, 300 Light-side tokens spread out across their entire server's worth of characters, maybe because they had some saved from the last event, will any be deleted after the conversion to Legacy-wide, since there is a 200 cap? @JoeStramaglia (Should I be advising people to spend them before the legacy-merge so they do not lose any?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCOneTwoSixTwo Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 2 hours ago, JoeStramaglia said: The weekly cap will be increased to 200 (up from 100), however, the inventory cap will remain at 100. This is to encourage players to spend tokens as the 100 limit is based on the costs of the items found on the DvL vendors. After the update, if you have over 100 tokens you will still have your tokens but be unable to earn more until you spend enough to be below the cap. You'll still have it. I added bold and underline to a quote above. I presume Joe meant 200 and not 100 in the second bullet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillerbees Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Like a lot of the event vendors we reaaallly need new stuff to buy from these guys. If you want use to stay engaged with old systems and events its the LEAST you could do aside from doing nothing (which is mostly what we get at the moment). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyAdmiral Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 30 minutes ago, RCOneTwoSixTwo said: You'll still have it. I added bold and underline to a quote above. I presume Joe meant 200 and not 100 in the second bullet. Oh I think you are right, thanks for spelling it out for me! Appreciate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strathkin Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) 3 hours ago, RCOneTwoSixTwo said: You'll still have it. I added bold and underline to a quote above. I presume Joe meant 200 and not 100 in the second bullet. He likely was correct as I read it, as you can earn 200 Weekly, yet the Max Current is 100 before you have to spend to earn more... ...while usually the opposite, with Bessie for example weekly is 100 and max is 200. Still that was designed differently, because they only want so much weekly progression; here they let you earn more weekly given how many Character's people have! Yet the Max Cap is lower so you're encouraged to spent them more regularly! I'm perfectly fine with how it's designed here, and think this is wonderful news! -- If they increased Max Currency Higher, they'd likely also adjust current prices for Items further, which most don't want; as he implied... Those who have perhaps 500, or 1,000 will just have to start spending between now, or perhaps wait till the update... Yet may risk loosing 1, 2, or 5 by accident, at least until they get under the Max 100. It was good however, they made the weekly max earnable being double, given all Character's people play on! NOTE: Still if you have 200, 500, or far more, your challenge is deciding what to get for whom; Arcann Companion customization, + some others more expensive... Edited September 5 by Strathkin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Ziva Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Having the cap at 100 is fine going forward. However, converting a character currency into a legacy currency you HAVE to allow for people to go over the cap during the conversion. If people are over 100, just don't let them earn any more. I have 82 characters. Now I have to go through 82 characters and make sure I spend DvL tokens on each one of them to make sure I only have 100 total when the conversion happens? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabeef Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Devs, your post says we will not lose tokens, but encourage us to spend them so that WE CAN CONTINUE TO EARN THEM. PLEASE give us the following info before the patch drops: If I have over cap will my tokens still be usable, just not visible? (my spreadsheet: 3000. my legacy: 200/100) i.e. legacy shows 200/100 tokens, can I still buy 3k worth of items? I am one of the old timers and have multiple sets of the armors/weapons/pets/mounts and not much to buy. Its great that this change will help newer players, but I have max tokens on close to 40 toons. I would rather be allowed to keep my tokens (4k/100) and wait a few years for new items to spend my tokens on than to lose close to 4k tokens I earned. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Hightower Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 37 minutes ago, Screaming_Ziva said: Having the cap at 100 is fine going forward. However, converting a character currency into a legacy currency you HAVE to allow for people to go over the cap during the conversion. If people are over 100, just don't let them earn any more. I have 82 characters. Now I have to go through 82 characters and make sure I spend DvL tokens on each one of them to make sure I only have 100 total when the conversion happens? Exactly my thoughts. For the conversion let the people have, for example 1254/100 Light Side Token. Found a toon having 63 light Side token but is only light I (no idea how that happened tbh). Cannot spend them on several things since they require Light II at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranadiel_Marius Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 45 minutes ago, Screaming_Ziva said: Having the cap at 100 is fine going forward. However, converting a character currency into a legacy currency you HAVE to allow for people to go over the cap during the conversion. If people are over 100, just don't let them earn any more. I have 82 characters. Now I have to go through 82 characters and make sure I spend DvL tokens on each one of them to make sure I only have 100 total when the conversion happens? It does exactly that? Quote After the update, if you have over 100 tokens you will still have your tokens but be unable to earn more until you spend enough to be below the cap. (emphasis added) 26 minutes ago, Seabeef said: I would rather be allowed to keep my tokens (4k/100) and wait a few years for new items to spend my tokens on than to lose close to 4k tokens I earned. You can? You just can't earn anymore until you get it below 100 just like you would if you were at 100. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screaming_Ziva Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 1 minute ago, Ranadiel_Marius said: It does exactly that? (emphasis added) You can? You just can't earn anymore until you get it below 100 just like you would if you were at 100. But the very next line says they encourage you to spend them so you can earn more. Maybe we can go over 100 in the conversion but they aren't that clear. If they would just say "you will not lose any tokens in the conversion", I think that would be much more clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Hightower Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 13 minutes ago, Ranadiel_Marius said: It does exactly that? (emphasis added) You can? You just can't earn anymore until you get it below 100 just like you would if you were at 100. That what the following post suggests. 5 hours ago, JoeStramaglia said: After the update, if you have over 100 tokens you will still have your tokens but be unable to earn more until you spend enough to be below the cap. Players who have over 100 Dark Tokens or over 100 Light Tokens across their Legacy are highly encouraged to spend some of them before the next patch goes out, so that you can continue to earn them after the change. But, sorry, it would not be the first time they screw things like that up... Therefore, it would be nice to have an expressis verbis confirmation that upon the patch you can go over the limit of 100. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strathkin Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, The_Hightower said: Exactly my thoughts. For the conversion let the people have, for example 1254/100 Light Side Token. Found a toon having 63 light Side token but is only light I (no idea how that happened tbh). Cannot spend them on several things since they require Light II at least. You can in fact buy them as they are Legacy Bound, you just can't wear them on character, if you're of the opposing Force... ...stick in Legacy Bank to transfer! -- Arcann Customization is different even for Light sided toons, same applies to Dark sided, you can use both customizations, as it only requires Arcann. -- Honored (Light Side) / Dire Taskmaster (Dark Side) have no Light / Dark requirement to wear either! So no precondition of Light I/II/III/IV/V or Dark I/II/III/IV/V. The first point is wonderful, cause if your Dark sided Jedi on Republic side, and have Dark Points then gain a Darker, &/or Lighter Arcann! So use those to start lowering your currencies now! Just some "food" for thought... Edited September 5 by Strathkin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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