Argomemnon Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 I think making a death match mode with no objectives would make it so the players that hate getting farmed by premades might get more people back in to pvp. Losing 56 matches in a week and only winning 5 is terrible run. I truly hate doing pvp because of this. Players are choosing to do a team death match instead of doing the objectives at all. When you tie winning, medals, games played, and you lose majority of the time you burn out players. Making a 8v8 or 16m free for all seems like a fairly easy to set up deal in an arena. This will give the death match players something they like and let us objective players do what we like. I can tell you now I hate losing and getting nothing other than games played most weeks unless I'm lucky. Paying to skip part of the season when you can just pay to not play it says a lot about the players enjoyment of pvp in general. I and many others feel that its done this way so there is people for the pvp people to crush and have their fun still since ranked was removed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragoslavRadanov Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 How does someone even lose 56 matches in a week? I've had bad weeks now and then but it's still relatively 50/50 between wins and losses, what the hell is happening to where your win loss ratio is 5/56? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFadedMemory Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 58 minutes ago, DragoslavRadanov said: How does someone even lose 56 matches in a week? I haven't even had 1 match to win or lose in... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhera_ Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 On 8/25/2024 at 2:03 PM, Argomemnon said: I think making a death match mode with no objectives would make it so the players that hate getting farmed by premades might get more people back in to pvp. Losing 56 matches in a week and only winning 5 is terrible run. I truly hate doing pvp because of this. Players are choosing to do a team death match instead of doing the objectives at all. When you tie winning, medals, games played, and you lose majority of the time you burn out players. Making a 8v8 or 16m free for all seems like a fairly easy to set up deal in an arena. This will give the death match players something they like and let us objective players do what we like. I can tell you now I hate losing and getting nothing other than games played most weeks unless I'm lucky. Paying to skip part of the season when you can just pay to not play it says a lot about the players enjoyment of pvp in general. I and many others feel that its done this way so there is people for the pvp people to crush and have their fun still since ranked was removed. if they actually spent dev time doing this instead of bringing ranked back which would cost ZERO dollars in dev then I will make sure my group queues an 5 or 6 man in regs obj WZ just to continue to farm you guys and make sure you lose the oBJ You would be surprised how easy it is for even a 4 man to hold the huttball mid from start to finish passing it back and forth and keeping the pvers from touching it a single time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyne- Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) On 8/25/2024 at 11:03 AM, Argomemnon said: I think making a death match mode with no objectives would make it so the players that hate getting farmed by premades might get more people back in to pvp. Losing 56 matches in a week and only winning 5 is terrible run. I truly hate doing pvp because of this. Players are choosing to do a team death match instead of doing the objectives at all. When you tie winning, medals, games played, and you lose majority of the time you burn out players. Making a 8v8 or 16m free for all seems like a fairly easy to set up deal in an arena. This will give the death match players something they like and let us objective players do what we like. I can tell you now I hate losing and getting nothing other than games played most weeks unless I'm lucky. Paying to skip part of the season when you can just pay to not play it says a lot about the players enjoyment of pvp in general. I and many others feel that its done this way so there is people for the pvp people to crush and have their fun still since ranked was removed. If the devs did this they would have to incentivize participation. Understand that the people that are running tank / heal premades, double AP PTs and double engineering snipers don't want to fight competitive fights. They want to queue into randos and absolutely stomp you with minimal opposition. It gives them the illusion that they're better than they actually are. The bigger issue, and the reason that you're having a bad experience is your lack of ability. People have said this ad nauseam at this point. Edited August 26 by Dyne- 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunayson Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 The OP seems to switch back and forth between "bad players don't want to be farmed" and "objective players don't want to play with death matchers." I'm guessing this conflation is cope like normal. The solution to problem 1 is stricter matchmaking (be it valor level, gear rating, premade size) and the solution to 2 is, wait, shouldn't you be winning? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AocaVII Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Zunayson said: The OP seems to switch back and forth between "bad players don't want to be farmed" and "objective players don't want to play with death matchers." I'm guessing this conflation is cope like normal. The solution to problem 1 is stricter matchmaking (be it valor level, gear rating, premade size) and the solution to 2 is, wait, shouldn't you be winning? They just want rewards easy without having to fight other players basically that sums it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajalkaar Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) On 8/25/2024 at 8:03 PM, Argomemnon said: On 8/25/2024 at 8:03 PM, Argomemnon said: Losing 56 matches in a week and only winning 5 is terrible run. I’m a deathmatcher and I’m not losing 56 matches per week and I’ve roughly 50% win rate in BGs while deathmatching 100%. So I do 100% of my games without doing the objectives and I win way more. I think it sound like a you problem more than a deathmatcher problem. Yeah sometimes deathmatchers will cost you the win, but what about player who don’t want to learn how to play, ppl who are clueless about games mechanisms, ppl who are just here for the season… These players cost you way more wins than death matchers for sure but yet we’re not talking about them I wonder why. I understand your frustation tho there’s a big skill gap between players and nothing is done to try to regulate this. Edited September 8 by Ajalkaar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argomemnon Posted September 9 Author Share Posted September 9 So my frustration comes from the players in my pug groups seem to no care when you say you need help in WZ. Weather that's to help cap something or to do other objective related items. Slowing or stunning in void star, using cc to stop caps, kiting players away from objectives so you can cap it. Satele Shan has a definite lower skill player population weather that is by choice or ignorance I dont know. Players are now going in pack to kill people to get their medal count propped up so they at least have a chance to get the required 7 medals a match to even get credit for points. As far as losing a lot of times the teams are short players due to lower population and the game starts with imbalanced teams. This is for both arenas an to a lesser extent Wz. my 56 losses was over the course of a week doing both arenas and WZ. When your efforts are not rewarded and you get 6 points a match. I cant vote kick players who I feel are not contributing or even aiding the enemy team. Add in people are doing /stuck to end arenas faster. Its quite frustrating to do the objective to try and get the win but you lose and still only get 4-6 medal match and it doesn't get you many points for the season. Obviously when you can set up a time to play with others and steamroll people its easy to do. with my job however I'm on at different times all week. I'm not sure how getting your easy wins in getting you credit for the 4 weekly objectives is different from what I'm saying as a solo player. You win most of you matches you already have your "free" 400 points to get for the week. I'm still grinding my points differently with 6 points per win and assuming i did arenas and wz matches played that got me the 200 points i still needed to play a lot more matches to get to the same points. wins are like 48 points i think per win so I need to play a lot more matches while you are still steam rolling me. the amount of time it takes the other players to get their points vs the time that it takes me imho is vastly different. I don't want free points I just want equal starting points that isn't a loss cause half you team is below 330, not communicating, and just there to afk the matches. I'm by no means an amazing bit i also don't want to spend a day doing pvp and nothing else for hours when I also like the other content too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raazmir Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 There aren't enough PVPers on this game for them to make an entirely new game mode. If you want PVP to get better and be more fun, form groups of your own, get in a discord and learn to work together, stomp the hell out of the death matchers hard enough and they'll either leave or straighten up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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