Vette

[Darves]

22 minutes ago, Goreshaga said:

All the companions who appeared so far since KOTET ended did so in a context that made sense storywise for them to be involved and in most cases they either appeared in scenes where they could just remove them entirely or they had to give their lines to someone else if they had anything significant to say. They'll not waste ressources involving Vette, especially not in a big way in places where she has absolutely nothing to contribute storywise (like in all the Mando stuff for instance, because she has literally 0 ties to them and whatever they're doing).

It's just your opinion and I don't agree with it. I have the distinct impression that you don't like the Vette and are annoyed by the idea that developers would waste resources on the Vette's return. For me personally, the appearance of Arcann and Torian is a waste of resources, all stories with Mandalorians are also a waste of resources, this is also just an opinion, as I wrote earlier, I can understand that someone likes these characters and I have no problem with that they appear. It's great that someone is happy when their favorite one appears, or they like Madalorians. @JenaSalton gave an example of how Vette can appear in a story and play an important role in it. Maybe you don't understand that people are different, have different expectations and like or dislike different things. For me, it is important that Vette appears again and, as I mentioned earlier, you can write many different stories in which not only will she return, but she will also be at the center of events. I don't want to spoil your fun and if you like e.g. the Mandalorian story, or the appearance of Arcann or Torian, that's great for me, I'm glad that you enjoy it. Maybe let me be happy too.

[Goreshaga]

10 minutes ago, Darves said:

It's just your opinion and I don't agree with it. I have the distinct impression that you don't like the Vette and are annoyed by the idea that developers would waste resources on the Vette's return. For me personally, the appearance of Arcann and Torian is a waste of resources, all stories with Mandalorians are also a waste of resources, this is also just an opinion, as I wrote earlier, I can understand that someone likes these characters and I have no problem with that they appear. It's great that someone is happy when their favorite one appears, or they like Madalorians. @JenaSalton gave an example of how Vette can appear in a story and play an important role in it. Maybe you don't understand that people are different, have different expectations and like or dislike different things. For me, it is important that Vette appears again and, as I mentioned earlier, you can write many different stories in which not only will she return, but she will also be at the center of events. I don't want to spoil your fun and if you like e.g. the Mandalorian story, or the appearance of Arcann or Torian, that's great for me, I'm glad that you enjoy it. Maybe let me be happy too.

 

I don't care either way whether she appears or not, my point is that they don't include a companion because said companion is player X's spouse, they include them only when said companion has some kind of ties to one of the plotlines and can do something not too important if they're killable. It is also possible that including a companion or not could depend on the VA's availability (for instance they could easily include Scourge in the whole Nul stuff alongside Kira, since he's available to every character and is unkillable, but they don't due to IRL issues with his VA)

Whether you like Arcann or not, it makes sense for him to appear if he's alive with stuff tied to Valkorion because he's his son, or with Force related stuff because he's a powerful Force User (and with his latest mission because it was in a part of the galaxy he was familiar with, unlike anyone else in the Alliance), whether you think it's a waste of ressources or not, it makes sense for Torian to be involved in the Mando stuff because 1/ he is a Mando and 2/ it has direct ties to both his dad and his clan. But in both cases their involvement isn't anythig crucial because they have to be easily removed or replaced since they can be dead.

Vette has no ties to the Mandalorians, no ties to Darth Nul, the Children of the Emperor or Darth Malgus either. Maybe they could have her appear briefly to bring a relic and replace her with Talos if she's dead, but right now, that would probably be the most they could do with her.

If there was something tied to Ryloth for instance it would make a lot of sense for Vette to be involved if she's alive, but that would mostly be stuff like appearing in a cusctene here or there in places where she can be removed or giving some not super important informations about the planet, the Twi'lek or the slave trade over there (so basically similar things to what Torian has had so far). But if they need a character to bring you some super important relic or piece of information, they'll definitely pick someone who can't be killed (like Lana, any of the Alliance's specialists, Tau, Arn, Anri or Rivix)

If they decide to include Vette anywhere, it'll only be in places where she would have something to contribute, but it can never be in a central, crucial role where only her can do something, because she can be dead, so they have to include her either in something where she can simply be removed or easily be replaced by someone else. That's what they've done so far, and that's most probably what they'll keep doing

In an ideal world where the game would have unlimited ressources, they'd be able to include every companion, or at the very least every LI whenever and wherever they want, but it is not an ideal wold and the game doesn't have unlimited ressources, so they have to choose who can appear based on the story and who can't, which means that for now we can have some time with Torian due to the whole Mando arc, but it's very likely that as soon as the whole Mando civil war plot is over, he'll disappear. Likewise, if they have something where Vette could contribute, she'd most likely appear for a while before disappearing again.

[Darves]

6 hours ago, Goreshaga said:

I don't care either way whether she appears or not

Not at all, if it were as you say, you wouldn't spend so much time proving and convincing me that you're supposedly right. Well, what is your goal, I won't change my mind, if you expect me to tell you "oh yes, master, you're right, poor me, I was so wrong" then I'm not sorry at all, it won't ever happen. I am asking you, do not write to me your revealed truths, because they are not truths but your opinions.

Now here's my opinion, it's just an opinion not the truth.

Once again, I will tell you that I have seen cutscenes in which, for example, Arcann appears and there are a lot of them, but I don't have them in my stories because Arcann sleeps in the dirt in my timeline. And once again I will write to you that it is only in your opinion that Arcann's appearance makes sense, in my opinion it makes absolutely no sense, because once again I will write to you that he was your enemy who stole five years of your life, for which he should be dead. Torain appearing in the story also doesn't make sense to me because the Mandalorian story arc makes no sense at all and is a waste of resources. As a force user, what do I care about the affairs of some Mandalorians?

However, this is my opinion and you don't have to agree with it just as I don't agree with your opinion. What's more, I don't understand your approach, for example, I don't comment on threads about Arcann, Torain or Tau, and I don't comment on threads about the Mandalorian story arc. I don't tell people who like Tau that every time I see her I dream of finally killing her. I'm not in the business of proving to people that their favorite characters should be dead and shouldn't appear again, just like you try to do. I can be happy that characters I personally don't like return to history, because maybe the return of these characters can make others happy. Apparently this is foreign to you.

As I wrote to you earlier, there are many possibilities for the Vette to return to history. Of course, I personally would like her to be the main character of some story arc, but I am content with Vette appearing in a smaller role. Moreover, Vette may be connected to the story of Darth Nul. I can imagine many stories in which the Vette would be a central or important character.

[Balameb]

20 hours ago, Talleradax said:

That is the difference between character choice and cannon. BW clearly show the Jedi Knight talking to Torian set long after the events of the chapter in which one died. so cannon wise Vette was the one that died. That cannon, not your individual choice when playing your own characters. As that is your story. 

If your JK talked to Torian after the chapter in witch one dies, then is because YOU played that chapter and choose to save Torian; it does not make it cannon.

Republic toons that skip have Vette. I do have a token JK that skipped all kotfe/kotet and have no talks to Torian so far (thank the maker, i hate that kid).

[Darves]

@JackieKo, please let me know if there is a chance that my favorite companion Vette will return in future stories.

May the Force serve you well

[Xewn]

I love Vette and would be really happy to have her back in the story. She's one of my favorite characters too. I wish I had the option for a full romance with her as a female character, although I did roll a male Sith warrior just to romance her. It frustrates me when characters are made killable and that pushes them out of taking part in the main story. 

[Darves]

19 hours ago, Xewn said:

I did roll a male Sith warrior just to romance her.

Yes, I also always play a male Sith warrior because I want to be able to romance Vette

@JackieKo, or someone else on the development team, please reply if there is any chance that the Vette will return in a future story.

May the Force serve you well

[Darves]

@JackieKo or someone else from the development team, I would like to ask you for a statement on this matter. Is there any chance that the Vette will return in future stories? I would really like to know what the chances of this are and whether they exist at all. I don't want to delude myself, I would like to know. If you are not yet sure if Vette will return, please consider Vette's return in future stories, I love Vette very much, she is my favorite companion and I assume there are also many people for whom Vette is as important as she is to me.

May the Force serve you well

[JenaSalton]

While I hope you get a response, I think it's pretty unlikely that you will and expectations should be managed accordingly.

Partially because responding to a thread about one companion will likely result in dozens of other threads where people are asking about their favourite companions and being quite upset if no one responds to their thread (or potentially, being quite disappointed if one character gets a "yes" and another gets a "no" or "maybe"). Plans also change, as we see witht the Fallen Empire storyline that was supposed to be three expansions, rather than just the two we got. There might be stories that are in the process of being written right now that include Vette, but something could happen and those stories could be scrapped for one reason or the other - including due to reasons pertaining to the ongoing strikes, which might affect Vette's voice actress' availability.

The only way, I think, that there could be a firm answer one way or the other would be if Vette was going to be involved in the next bit of story content (7.4) and any announcements about that likely would either be kept underwraps until it's released or announced in the livestream Jackie has said will be coming soon.

All that being said, maybe I'm completely wrong and you will get a response from one of the devs and I ought to be preparing a list of all the characters I want to know about.

[Shayddow]

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As a force user, what do I care about the affairs of some Mandalorians?

well, in the story Revan certainly did.  In the T.V. shows Luke & Asoka did. (see the Mandalorian and the Asoka series).

Personally I would like to see the character Vette involved as the other poster mentioned, in some type of tomb raid that has information about Darth Nul or such.  And if your character had lost her to Vaylin, her spot would be replaced by Talos or possibly Tharon (The Counselor companion) (If you spared him as an Imperial).

I'm all for including more of the original companions in the story going forward, instead of some no-name.

[AshleyRuhl]

Jumping in here to say that we appreciate the love for all of our companion characters. It's both a gift and a challenge to have so many well-loved companions in SWTOR, and I understand how special that connection can be to your personal story.

Our goal with each story update is to bring in characters that feel appropriate to the setting. And whenever a favorite character returns, we want to make sure we have bandwidth to give them a personal moment for growth and relationship development. Above all else I never want to include a character that feels shoe-horned in, or whose interactions feel shallow because we didn't have capacity to give them more. It's very important to us to make these companion interactions memorable.

It's true Vette in particular hasn't been present in the story for a while, but that doesn't mean she won't be part of our future plans. Just know that when she is part of the story, it will be a moment that we're deeply passionate about fitting to Vette's character.

[NeoBlakkrstal]

17 minutes ago, AshleyRuhl said:

Jumping in here to say that we appreciate the love for all of our companion characters. It's both a gift and a challenge to have so many well-loved companions in SWTOR, and I understand how special that connection can be to your personal story.

Our goal with each story update is to bring in characters that feel appropriate to the setting. And whenever a favorite character returns, we want to make sure we have bandwidth to give them a personal moment for growth and relationship development. Above all else I never want to include a character that feels shoe-horned in, or whose interactions feel shallow because we didn't have capacity to give them more. It's very important to us to make these companion interactions memorable.

It's true Vette in particular hasn't been present in the story for a while, but that doesn't mean she won't be part of our future plans. Just know that when she is part of the story, it will be a moment that we're deeply passionate about fitting to Vette's character.

And remember, some toons killed her off during KotET, much like Torian, so there's that to consider as well.

[felleto]

13 minutes ago, AshleyRuhl said:

Jumping in here to say that we appreciate the love for all of our companion characters. It's both a gift and a challenge to have so many well-loved companions in SWTOR, and I understand how special that connection can be to your personal story.

Our goal with each story update is to bring in characters that feel appropriate to the setting. And whenever a favorite character returns, we want to make sure we have bandwidth to give them a personal moment for growth and relationship development. Above all else I never want to include a character that feels shoe-horned in, or whose interactions feel shallow because we didn't have capacity to give them more. It's very important to us to make these companion interactions memorable.

It's true Vette in particular hasn't been present in the story for a while, but that doesn't mean she won't be part of our future plans. Just know that when she is part of the story, it will be a moment that we're deeply passionate about fitting to Vette's character.

The real question here is: Blizz  = Darth Nul? I can just shake the feeling when I stare into his little yellow eyes (Who has yellow eyes? Hm.. Sith much?)... I can sense something ancient there. HE DOESN'T FOOL ME!

[JenaSalton]

23 minutes ago, AshleyRuhl said:

Jumping in here to say that we appreciate the love for all of our companion characters. It's both a gift and a challenge to have so many well-loved companions in SWTOR, and I understand how special that connection can be to your personal story.

Our goal with each story update is to bring in characters that feel appropriate to the setting. And whenever a favorite character returns, we want to make sure we have bandwidth to give them a personal moment for growth and relationship development. Above all else I never want to include a character that feels shoe-horned in, or whose interactions feel shallow because we didn't have capacity to give them more. It's very important to us to make these companion interactions memorable.

It's true Vette in particular hasn't been present in the story for a while, but that doesn't mean she won't be part of our future plans. Just know that when she is part of the story, it will be a moment that we're deeply passionate about fitting to Vette's character.

Thanks for your comment, Ashley, and for all the wonderful stories you, Caitlin, and everyone else at SWTOR make for us. I'm looking forward to seeing what you have in store for us and our characters with the next updates.

[Whykara]

28 minutes ago, AshleyRuhl said:

Jumping in here to say that we appreciate the love for all of our companion characters.

hello please give Zash, thanks much

[Kendaric]

5 minutes ago, Whykara said:

hello please give Zash, thanks much

Would that even be possible, considering what happened to her? Also what happens with Khem? Don't we lose him and get some replacement Dashade?

[JenaSalton]

Just now, Kendaric said:

Would that even be possible, considering what happened to her? Also what happens with Khem? Don't we lose him and get some replacement Dashade?

SI who helped Khem reclaim his body, saw Zash during Nathema, and recruited Khem again at Ossus (with the option to start a romance). Folks who helped Zash keep Khem's body want her to return as well - no idea what/whose body though.

[Whykara]

3 minutes ago, Kendaric said:

Would that even be possible, considering what happened to her? Also what happens with Khem? Don't we lose him and get some replacement Dashade?

Spoiler:

Spoiler

If you chose Khem, he eventually returns and Zash dies on Nathema. If you chose Zash, Khem (in his own body) dies on Nathema, but Zash is never heard of again.

We can presume she is alive somewhere. So yes, it's very possible and it seems more like an oversight that she hasn't returned, while Khem has.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Whykara

[Darves]

1 hour ago, AshleyRuhl said:

Jumping in here to say that we appreciate the love for all of our companion characters. It's both a gift and a challenge to have so many well-loved companions in SWTOR, and I understand how special that connection can be to your personal story.

Our goal with each story update is to bring in characters that feel appropriate to the setting. And whenever a favorite character returns, we want to make sure we have bandwidth to give them a personal moment for growth and relationship development. Above all else I never want to include a character that feels shoe-horned in, or whose interactions feel shallow because we didn't have capacity to give them more. It's very important to us to make these companion interactions memorable.

It's true Vette in particular hasn't been present in the story for a while, but that doesn't mean she won't be part of our future plans. Just know that when she is part of the story, it will be a moment that we're deeply passionate about fitting to Vette's character.

Thank you very, very much, @AshleyRuhl, for your answer. Even you don't realize how happy you made me. Thank you also for clarifying matters related to the creative process, now I am sure that Vette is in good hands and if she appears in future stories, you will do justice and dignity to my favorite character.

I would also like to thank @JackieKo, because I can see that she took note of my request. You are the good spirit of the development team.

Well.. I just have to wait and hope for the time when the Vette's return will be appropriate.

May the force serve you well

[Kendaric]

1 hour ago, Whykara said:

Spoiler:

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If you chose Khem, he eventually returns and Zash dies on Nathema. If you chose Zash, Khem (in his own body) dies on Nathema, but Zash is never heard of again.

We can presume she is alive somewhere. So yes, it's very possible and it seems more like an oversight that she hasn't returned, while Khem has.

Good to know. I stopped playing my SI around level 55, as I much prefer Jedi to Sith. Though admittedly the Sith storylines are a lot of fun to play.

[LtGeneralGezlin]

2 hours ago, Whykara said:

Spoiler:

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If you chose Khem, he eventually returns and Zash dies on Nathema. If you chose Zash, Khem (in his own body) dies on Nathema, but Zash is never heard of again.

We can presume she is alive somewhere. So yes, it's very possible and it seems more like an oversight that she hasn't returned, while Khem has.

Spoiler

Do we have any confirmation that when Khem came back on Nathema that he came back in his original body, or somehow got his hands on another Dashade body?

 

[Whykara]

38 minutes ago, LtGeneralGezlin said:

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Do we have any confirmation that when Khem came back on Nathema that he came back in his original body, or somehow got his hands on another Dashade body?

 

 

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I'm not sure if it's explicitely confirmed, but it's really easy to assume that it's his body, considering there isn't really a reason why it shouldn't be. Sure, it's unclear how he got his body back, but it would be even stranger if he somehow managed to find a different Dashade. Keep in mind, his species is mostly extinct. Also I've always assumed it was the plan to let Zash return in a human body, so it makes sense that she ditched Khem's body. Imagine my disappointment when I found out that she wouldn't return on Ossus.

 

[KaraBlack_]

3 hours ago, NeoBlakkrstal said:

And remember, some toons killed her off during KotET, much like Torian, so there's that to consider as well.

The only time I'll choose Torian over Vette is with a Mando BH character

[JakRoanin]

5 hours ago, AshleyRuhl said:

Jumping in here to say that we appreciate the love for all of our companion characters. It's both a gift and a challenge to have so many well-loved companions in SWTOR, and I understand how special that connection can be to your personal story.

Our goal with each story update is to bring in characters that feel appropriate to the setting. And whenever a favorite character returns, we want to make sure we have bandwidth to give them a personal moment for growth and relationship development. Above all else I never want to include a character that feels shoe-horned in, or whose interactions feel shallow because we didn't have capacity to give them more. It's very important to us to make these companion interactions memorable.

It's true Vette in particular hasn't been present in the story for a while, but that doesn't mean she won't be part of our future plans. Just know that when she is part of the story, it will be a moment that we're deeply passionate about fitting to Vette's character.

I love it when you writers post. Yeah I admit my Male SW wants cuddles with his "Beautiful, Charming, sometimes crazy, and always exciting" wifey. Then again, I want Watcher 2 back Beryl Thorne and Master Sumalee back too! There are three very important romances I want to actually get somewhere with!

[TheVoyant]

10 hours ago, AshleyRuhl said:

Above all else I never want to include a character that feels shoe-horned in, or whose interactions feel shallow because we didn't have capacity to give them more. It's very important to us to make these companion interactions memorable.

 

I mean I'm entirely ok with Xalek just occasionally killing people in the background of cutscenes. 

(After some thought: same thing for m1-4x)

Edited September 26, 2023 by TheVoyant