Hrafnhildur Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) Hi. I really don't understand why is Senya even a companion, since she is a complete failure: - as a mother, she ran away because .. " the children wanted nothing to do with her" . Really, lady?? A REAL mother would have said something like " I don't care if you hate me, you will do as I say because I am your mother and I said so" . - as a mother 2.0 saving Vaylin : Senya knew Vaylin was taken to Nathema, a place where Force users have problems using their powers. Why didn't she employed Mandalorians to rescue Vaylin? They, the Zakuulans, knew about Sith, Jedi & Mandos.. - as a Zakuul Knight: she not only aided and abetted a known terrorist who ordered the murder of Zakuulan citizens and burning of their houses, but also SHE decided the same terrorist, also her son, deserves another chance because he saved HER life. This woman is, by all accounts, disgusting, irritating, selfish, egocentric and dellusional, since she thinks HER life is more important than anyone else's. Now.. why is she a companion again? Why bother to save her at all, when all she does is cherry picking, ignoring her Zakuul Knight job when it fits to do so, ignoring her mother role for the same reason? Edited September 4 by Hrafnhildur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadforce Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Sounds like your problem is not putting on the "correct" cultural glasses to see her through. Not going to give you much more hints than that or the antiwoke and misogeny accusations will start flying. That is something that must be fought elsewhere. If you can find those glasses and keep up the 4th wall like that, then what you are meant to do is hinted by Valkorion a few times: 'she desperately wants to be loved'. She was abandoned by all the kids (at least until you opt to take the arcan-redemption path) and shunned by old Valk himself long before that for trying to keep Vaylin away from him(*). That is loved and being put to appreciated work (& given a purpose that makes sense to her), not bonked. She makes for a reasonable mother-type companion by the simple swtor standards. If you are going to go around dragging "what would real people actually do" into it, you've wandered way into the woods. Ok, maybe I should have used a different metafor since I hear there are zero forests on iceland, but I hope you get the idea. The point being you have big holes in the infamous 4th wall, which are preventing you from getting joy out of it. *) which is wholly preposterous. A force powerhouse like him would have sensed it by himself, or many of the other force users in his ranks close to his family would have noticed. And all that is completely ignoring the fact that he is shrewd and would have tested her as matter of principle, not taking any risk that his kids would repeat to him what he did to his dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 17 hours ago, Hrafnhildur said: Hi. I really don't understand why is Senya even a companion, since she is a complete failure: - as a mother, she ran away because .. " the children wanted nothing to do with her" . Really, lady?? A REAL mother would have said something like " I don't care if you hate me, you will do as I say because I am your mother and I said so" . The children would have just laughed at her if she tried that "argument from authority" gambit, to say nothing of the reaction of their father... 17 hours ago, Hrafnhildur said: - as a mother 2.0 saving Vaylin : Senya knew Vaylin was taken to Nathema, a place where Force users have problems using their powers. Why didn't she employed Mandalorians to rescue Vaylin? They, the Zakuulans, knew about Sith, Jedi & Mandos.. Why do you think the Mandalorians would have accepted such a job? 17 hours ago, Hrafnhildur said: - as a Zakuul Knight: she not only aided and abetted a known terrorist who ordered the murder of Zakuulan citizens and burning of their houses, but also SHE decided the same terrorist, also her son, deserves another chance because he saved HER life. Interesting definition of "terrorist". I'd have let you have "tyrant" or "despot" or even "traitorous usurper" without the slightest quibble, but "terrorist" seems out of place here. And people do, indeed, think that someone who shows a sliver of good (by e.g. saving someone's life) deserves a second chance. Especially Force-sensitive types who can see deeper into other folks than we can. 17 hours ago, Hrafnhildur said: This woman is, by all accounts, By *your* accounts. 17 hours ago, Hrafnhildur said: disgusting, irritating, selfish, egocentric and dellusional, since she thinks HER life is more important than anyone else's. That means that 99% of the human race is all those things. It's why we admire those who lay their lives on the line to save others, call them heroes and whatnot, because they do something that we feel unable to do. Also what @Nadforce said about Senya wanting to be loved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakRoanin Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I respect your right to voice your opinion. However, I do not respect the opinion at all. That is what this is an opinion, not empirical fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrafnhildur Posted September 16 Author Share Posted September 16 On 9/5/2023 at 8:31 PM, JakRoanin said: I respect your right to voice your opinion. However, I do not respect the opinion at all. That is what this is an opinion, not empirical fact. Why is that? Do you think is OK for a GAME CHARACTER ( I wrote with capital letters so you know I wasn't making any real life references) to do their policewoman job only when they want or fits to do so? Knight of Zakuul are Force sensitive policemen, so they are bound to protect the people of Zakuul, something Senya failed to do, because oh well, the unsub who burned the refugees homes was her son.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrafnhildur Posted September 16 Author Share Posted September 16 On 9/5/2023 at 12:44 PM, SteveTheCynic said: The children would have just laughed at her if she tried that "argument from authority" gambit, to say nothing of the reaction of their father... Why do you think the Mandalorians would have accepted such a job? Interesting definition of "terrorist". I'd have let you have "tyrant" or "despot" or even "traitorous usurper" without the slightest quibble, but "terrorist" seems out of place here. And people do, indeed, think that someone who shows a sliver of good (by e.g. saving someone's life) deserves a second chance. Especially Force-sensitive types who can see deeper into other folks than we can. By *your* accounts. That means that 99% of the human race is all those things. It's why we admire those who lay their lives on the line to save others, call them heroes and whatnot, because they do something that we feel unable to do. Also what @Nadforce said about Senya wanting to be loved. .. burning down people homes and attempting to murder them IS terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 41 minutes ago, Hrafnhildur said: .. burning down people homes and attempting to murder them IS terrorism. Fair point, except that we usually use "terrorist" to refer to people *opposing* the "legitimate" government. Yes, one might question whether Arcann's government is legitimate (observation: the Eternal Fleet certainly behaves as if he is), but that's why I suggested "traitorous usurper" as a possible epithet. And don't forget Terry Pratchett's observation in one of the Discworld books: the difference between gods and demons is the same as the difference between freedom fighters and terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakRoanin Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 10 hours ago, Hrafnhildur said: Why is that? Do you think is OK for a GAME CHARACTER ( I wrote with capital letters so you know I wasn't making any real life references) to do their policewoman job only when they want or fits to do so? Knight of Zakuul are Force sensitive policemen, so they are bound to protect the people of Zakuul, something Senya failed to do, because oh well, the unsub who burned the refugees homes was her son.. Ok I don't think I should have this conversation because you are determined to ignore context and backstory so there's no point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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