50s shouldnt be fighting low levels

[Osceana]

50s shouldnt be fighting 20s and 15s its not fair they have all the advantages not to include all there abilities, pvp gear that has expertise, health that is rediculously higher and damage that the buffing system does nothing to counter. I can take any class but a class thats at 50 there healing is crazy they can bring a near death player all the way back to full health in seconds. The battle is over as soon as i see the team on the other side is nothing but 50s. All a group has to do to just win every bg is collect up a group of 50 characters. Its not even competition. Edited December 30, 2011 by Osceana

[kFrog]

I have a level 15 sniper. Normally I'm top 3 for damage done in a scenario, in huttball I'm almost always top with 200k+ damage. Biggest crit of 3800 ... every game I quickly identify the level 50s and make them my targets.

 

Ambush + Explosive Charge = 2-3k + 2k = usually 4-5k dmg spike. I'm not marksman spec, which will probably boost me over those numbers very quick (looks like I get a free snipe when entering cover too in a few levels).

 

There are a few classes I don't enjoy fighting 1v1, but most people either have to run from me or we fight down to the wire. 50s are pretty scary, but a lot of it has to do with the class you are and what you are fighting. IMO the problem with 50s is people just try to solo them and get mad they can't. Stick in packs and 2-3 people of any level can bring down a 50 very fast.

[Cyphen]

This is temporary, there will be brackets in near future. Main reason for this is that there isn't many 50s and therefore if 50s had their own brackets the queue times would be insanely long.

 

(at least I hope there will be brackets 2 months down the line)

Edited December 30, 2011 by Cyphen

[sjwho]

This is temporary, there will be brackets in near future. Main reason for this is that there isn't many 50s and therefore if 50s had their own brackets the queue times would be insanely long.

 

(at least I hope there will be brackets 2 months down the line)

 

so the 10% of the population ruins pvp for the 90%

 

 

occupy bioware in progress.

[Cyphen]

so the 10% of the population ruins pvp for the 90%

 

 

occupy bioware in progress.

 

It's hardly ruining, if you stop just trying to take on 50s on your own and work with your team and not fight in the corner you might actually think differently. Yes I understand that some 50s hit hard due to having already good gear but that's why you gank up on them and use the environments to your advantage (at least in Huttball and Voidstar where you can push them off).

 

There is more then 10% 50s as of now, more like 30% which is a big number imho... But that is just guessing.

 

I think its as it is, low levels can still defeat 50s if you know what you doing and communicate with your team. Get a guild / voip or irl mates....

 

But brackets need to be put inplace within next month or two or else it will be ridiculous.

[kFrog]

Im actually happy with the way things are now. I like that not everyone is the same and that I can expect the same queue times at all levels.

 

When I get into a match and see two L50 guys stand there waiting for the game to start, I see them as the captains of the team. In war, not everyone is the same. I like that there are stronger jedis and sith. Some bounty hunters are stronger than others. The gap isn't enough to make it game-breaking, but you quickly begin to recognize who needs to be killed first.

 

If you have a high level assassin on your team, they should probably be killing the high level players on the other team. When I play my sniper I know my job is to hunt down people who are strong, since I can kill people rather safely and efficiently. The only time I've seen high level players get out of control is when people ignore them and let them go wild. If you focus their powerful players down before they can do much harm ... be strategic.

 

I had a game the other night where I simply focus'd a L50 all game in huttball. He was wrecking our ball carrier, but I was wrecking him (not as fast but my 1k shots were taking their toll). About half way into the game he decided he was tired of me and him and I played david and goliath. As he chased me around, I led him from the ball carrier and we scored.

[Cyphen]

The gap isn't enough to make it game-breaking, but you quickly begin to recognize who needs to be killed first..

 

It will be when most 50s have full Battlemasters gear really destroying lowbies below level 40 with no PvP gear. There is Expertise, a extremely important stat for PvP. Brackets will need to be set in eventually.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Cyphen

[IxCptMorganxI]

so the 10% of the population ruins pvp for the 90%

 

 

occupy bioware in progress.

 

BUAHAHAHAHAHA. I don't mind playing with them right now but I'm not an intense PVP person. I do think they should have their own bracket in the future though. Honestly I've had fun being able to PVP against anyone.

[sjwho]

It's hardly ruining, if you stop just trying to take on 50s on your own and work with your team and not fight in the corner you might actually think differently. Yes I understand that some 50s hit hard due to having already good gear but that's why you gank up on them and use the environments to your advantage (at least in Huttball and Voidstar where you can push them off).

 

There is more then 10% 50s as of now, more like 30% which is a big number imho... But that is just guessing.

 

I think its as it is, low levels can still defeat 50s if you know what you doing and communicate with your team. Get a guild / voip or irl mates....

 

But brackets need to be put inplace within next month or two or else it will be ridiculous.

 

Your excuse is "gang up on 1 guy".

 

Good one, except that you can have 4 level 50's in one wz que.

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Or better yet, you are suggesting 1v1 in 50 is impossible, good job.

[Andurian]

Or you could stop queuing at low levels and quest some more?

 

Even if they make brackets people will have twinks that will own in those lvl's.

 

It's an mmo you will always be facing those who spend more time either pvp'ing or leveling/gearing.

[Cyphen]

Your excuse is "gang up on 1 guy".

 

Good one, except that you can have 4 level 50's in one wz que.

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Or better yet, you are suggesting 1v1 in 50 is impossible, good job.

 

My point is that you see a 50 then maybe rather then trying to take him on try to play defensive, with your team rather then playing one man army. I am not going to describe every strategy id have against a 50 as a lower level.

 

No I didn't say its impossible 1v1 a 50 as a lower level, but its certainly hard and you should avoid it and learn to play as a team.

 

If this is a problem for you then rather then posting on these forums get to 50 your self.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Cyphen

[sjwho]

Or you could stop queuing at low levels and quest some more?

 

Even if they make brackets people will have twinks that will own in those lvl's.

 

It's an mmo you will always be facing those who spend more time either pvp'ing or leveling/gearing.

 

Your suggestion is to quit pvp altogether.

 

*squints eyes* can't tell if trolling, or just really really dumb.

[mastersloup]

Or you could stop queuing at low levels and quest some more?

 

Even if they make brackets people will have twinks that will own in those lvl's.

 

It's an mmo you will always be facing those who spend more time either pvp'ing or leveling/gearing.

 

Cool story.

 

Cept 50 kill lvl 10 because they have lvl 11-50 skills unlocked + talents. not because they have 50 more stamina. Lvl 10 twink won't have acces to 11-50 skills and talent.

 

Crazy i know!

[sjwho]

My point is that you see a 50 then maybe rather then trying to take him on try to play defensive, with your team rather then playing one man army. I am not going to describe every strategy id have against a 50 as a lower level.

 

No I didn't say its impossible 1v1 a 50 as a lower level, but its certainly hard and you should avoid it and learn to play as a team.

 

If this is a problem for you then rather then posting on these forums get to 50 your self.

 

Your point is that level 50's have enough advantage it takes teamwork to kill just one.

 

and lets not mention the elitist point you have: Get a 50 yourself. Oh i'm sorry, that makes it balanced?

 

If I own a 50 and steamroll level 10's thats fair? Stop being subjective already.

 

^guy above me: don't forget the level 50 pvp gear with expertise, a stat unavailable earlier^

Edited December 30, 2011 by sjwho

[Cyphen]

Your point is that level 50's have enough advantage it takes teamwork to kill just one.

 

and lets not mention the elitist point you have: Get a 50 yourself. Oh i'm sorry, that makes it balanced?

 

If I own a 50 and steamroll level 10's thats fair? Stop being subjective already.

 

Yes they have enough advantage, its called Expertise and more importantly they have more talents as well as better gear/stats.

 

Well its an idea, no need to follow it but its a damn good idea to stop you from having this issue.

 

No, the more 50s the more people you team up with/against will be level 50s.

 

There is a reason Bioware did it and if you don't like it then leave. There will be brackets that's forgiven, if they wont be il be pissed, especially if I face low levels with my full BM gear since there will be no challenge. Don't forget the ranked matches where most 50s will hang out at.

 

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I know your pain when you fight against 50s but this is due to queue times.

Edited December 30, 2011 by Cyphen

[Chado_]

Lack of brackets is waaaay better than having to wait 15. Minutes for every match.

[Ashanor]

Lack of brackets is waaaay better than having to wait 15. Minutes for every match.

 

The majority would disagree. I would rather wait 10-15 minutes for a queue than get slaughtered by 50s in PvP gear.

 

There are multiple problems with 50s fighting lower levels. First of all, they have skills we don't have, they have talents we don't have, they have expertise, and last but not least they have higher stats because the bolster system does not even come close to a true geared 50s stats.

[Avatorius]

Ah yes, I recall in Aion to paliate for the wait, and to still have brackets, they simply put that you could only go into battlegrounds at certain hours.

 

Which isn't as cool as being able to go whenever you want.

 

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I remember yesterday though, going into a BG where we had about 4 people level 15, a level 35, a level 36 and a couple level 20s (including me)... whereas the opposing team had one level 17, average level of 35, a level 49 and a 50. We got mauled.. really.. really bad.

 

I kept thinking we wouldn't need a bracket IF at least levels in groups were balanced. Aka if the game could try to make it so every team has a 50, a few 20-40 and a few 10-20. Then it'd be fair without brackets and (hopefully), without too much waiting time.

[Osceana]

i only want the 50s to have ther own bracket i can take any other class but a 50 in pvp gear is not a match even three low levels have difficulty bringing one 50 healer down. if they can even do it. Its not possible to expect a pug team of below 50s or even one or two 50s mixed in to compete against a pvp guild run of nothing but 50s.

[Nixian]

PvP on SWTor is for losers anyway , how the hell a lvl 11 can have the same willpower or life ; when I already played longer and spend more time on finding gear. My opinion on pvp is u don't mess with 10 lvls higher chars cause off that , no point here u get same basic stats somehow , and where is the person vs person aspect if the one I attack gets healed by 2 others and I get ***** by 3 attackers , same like bumping people from bridges or in fires , that aint pvp it's pve person vs enviroment , another problem my opinion is char based , jedi carebear vs evil sin , ofc jedi party alien or not get mostly full buffed on battlefield , where as sin u almost have to beg to share buffs , onces on battlefield I see ppl attacked by me getting healed more often then I get healed by my own party , that cause we are in different role , for me game sucks and although have payed a lot + 2 months extra cause after paying DVD + 1 month I get kicked , rip off , cause for me game ends till I can do a fair person vs person fight with his own buffs and no stims or heals , suck it up for all who complain just reached lvl 10 got beaten by lvl 50 !

[Desgarden]

I have a level 15 sniper. Normally I'm top 3 for damage done in a scenario, in huttball I'm almost always top with 200k+ damage. Biggest crit of 3800 ... every game I quickly identify the level 50s and make them my targets.

 

Ambush + Explosive Charge = 2-3k + 2k = usually 4-5k dmg spike. I'm not marksman spec, which will probably boost me over those numbers very quick (looks like I get a free snipe when entering cover too in a few levels).

 

There are a few classes I don't enjoy fighting 1v1, but most people either have to run from me or we fight down to the wire. 50s are pretty scary, but a lot of it has to do with the class you are and what you are fighting. IMO the problem with 50s is people just try to solo them and get mad they can't. Stick in packs and 2-3 people of any level can bring down a 50 very fast.

 

Either you are lying or you haven't met a lvl 50 with decent expertise rating.

 

This aside, I find it funny that people like you always argument from a damage side but not that a low level character neither has the talent points of a 50 nor the abilities.

 

Hard to get eh?

[zeroburrito]

This is temporary, there will be brackets in near future. Main reason for this is that there isn't many 50s and therefore if 50s had their own brackets the queue times would be insanely long.

 

(at least I hope there will be brackets 2 months down the line)

 

their fault for rushing to 50? they should reroll until there are more 50s.