JediBoadicea Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) I have to speak up as another migraine sufferer and say that the new inventory is extremely difficult to deal with, and left me feeling pretty dizzy. I stopped playing before it got too bad, but that is absolutely not something I want to find myself having to do. I get why they changed the inventory to a taller grid, it's not hard to see why - they wanted it to be connected when you open the character panel, and you couldn't do that with the previous 10x8 grid. I don't like it, but whatever, I could get used to that, that's just about the shape we're accustomed to seeing, and I get the reason. But the removal of contrast that used to exist by virtue of the texturing that used to exist inside the inventory boxes, and the new perfectly square boxes, are painful. The phantom "circles" I see between the boxes are absolutely migraine-triggering. And I don't think this is a small issue, because absolutely anyone who plays or works on an MMO knows that players can spend a lot of time on inventory management. That is a huge deal. We have multiple tabs in multiple cargo holds specifically because we knew there was a demand for people to manage enormous inventory. That's not just an occasional thing, that's staple MMO activity. So I don't think it's right to say that this is just an annoyance we can hand-wave off like we do a quest menu or something. No one spends much time looking at quest menus, just a few seconds and you're done. But we absolutely DO spend HOURS staring at inventory. I sincerely hope that this can be addressed, for both player inventory and cargo holds. I don't care if you leave the grid as a 8x10, but please, please make it easier to actually look at. If this is an accessibility thing, please give us a toggle option for one or the other. I know that's probably a much bigger ask than it sounds like. But I think it's genuinely a worthwhile investment of resources. Edited February 17, 2022 by JediBoadicea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylanna Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 New inventory screen LITERALLY HURTS THE EYES OF MANY PEOPLE LOOKING AT IT. Wish my caps were just some internet forum war hyperbole. Nope. Lots of people find the new inventory unpleasant and taxing to their eyes in very real way. OMG I'm so glad it's not just me! The glaring brightness of all the little squares actually gives me a headache and makes everything seem extremely cluttered and confusing. Those colors need toned down on the brightness and the empty inventory slots need to be dimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaraNebesna Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I'm really sorry. My only goal here was to validate that this is a "real" thing and not just people being overly sensitive. But it is very much the issue for me, because it's something I deal with and it's why I can't personally look at the inventory screen... edited to add: please don't click the link if you think this is even remotely an issue for you. That's a fair point and I tried to warn, but it wasn't enough. But again, the gaps in the rounded rectangles create a "honeycombing" effect that if you deal with this issue, you will instantly react to and feel quesy from... I'm sorry, I didn't realize this until you said it. My apologies for being insensitive towards your issue. So if we summarize, this is the list of very real, very negative physical effects of the new inventory/UI in general: - migraines/headaches - dizziness - phobia episodes - eye strain And let's not forget, these don't go away when we close the game! It's something we have to deal with in our real lives, work and raise families while enduring something caused by a trivial matter that could have been avoided Management issues: - difficulty determining junk from valuable stuff - difficulty identifying what this valuable stuff is - harder to organize Positive effects caused by the new inventory: - is new - someone got paid for hours of work That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farferello Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I had the same issue, a really bad migraine because of the inventory. If the blue boxes weren't glowing so brightly it probably wouldn't be so bad but they end up with this weird phantom visual issue that combined with the brighter glow is just really bad on my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaraNebesna Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Well I just unsubbed and pointed this as a reason for me leaving. I'm pretty sure no one reads the reasons for cancellation, but still. It's sad to see this, when it could have been avoided. It's sad that someone, or multiple someones didn't deem this important. It's sad that with all the information they had, the decision makers decided to go with it anyways. You could have not accepted the concepts, you could have asked for an additional revision, or two, you could have burred it and never release it upon us, your loyal player base, who loves you and who loves the game. This just saddens me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthjantom Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 My friend made a mock-up for a new version of the UI: https://i.redd.it/ayqel4uh7bi81.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasaidh Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 My friend made a mock-up for a new version of the UI: https://i.redd.it/ayqel4uh7bi81.png That is still an eye strain. I literally get a migraine looking at the high contrast. It either needs to be toned down, or an option needs to be given to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediQuaker Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 After playing for a couple hours last night, I'd say that I like the new inventory. It somehow looks more 'modern' than the old one. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaraNebesna Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) Edit: deleted for repetition. Sorry about that ... Edited February 18, 2022 by MaraNebesna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theradonh Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 You could just make the old UI optional for now (or even forever). So people who prefer the old UI are happy and the people who seems to like the new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeterno Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) There is always a bit of "new is bad" that goes away as people get accustomed, but this is genuinely more than that. How can you tout new "fonts that are easier on the eye" and then greenlight the new inventory that burns blue squares in one's retinas, just HOW? And how do you greenlight a partial UI revamp that now has a disjointed combination of new and old styles? The most hilarious thing is that now the character preview in the stats page is now vastly superior to the still default old gear preview window. I could understand them electing to go a different way style-wise, even if I personally preferred the old style, but what I really won't get the way it was half tooshed. And I mean literally, re-doing only a bit of the UI in the new style and leaving half of it in the old. Why would you do that? So that the glaring defects are even more obvious to everyone? Edited February 17, 2022 by aeterno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaraNebesna Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 The one in this thread is pretty decent too. It fixes the contrast issue, but not the dots, so if you're sensitive to this, don't load the image linked in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunah Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Add me to the list as the new inventory definitely hurts my eyes and over time could cause headache. The only other game that hurt my eyes this bad was wildstar and in that game many complained about something being off and affecting vision and headaches and look where they ended up not listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joonbeams Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I want to separate the "I don't like these changes" arguments (valid opinions btw) from the "this UI makes me sick" or "makes my head hurt" crowd. Yes, some of the latter is hyperbole. But I definitely want to bring attention to the fact that for some group of people, these changes actually do cause negative symptoms. I shared why that's true for some earlier (won't reshare b/c even the link itself causes some to feel sick). But I think it's really important that someone on the dev team take a look at some point. Specifically talking about the new inventory UI for now, and only that. And before someone says "can't please everyone," I want to point out that most modern UI approaches intentionally don't do UI the way the new inventory UI is done, for these exact reasons. PM me if you want to understand more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethrah Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Hope they fix this, give an option in preferences or tone down the blue or add some background color… Anything at all at this point. Very hard for me to look at my inventory for more than a minute or so now Only the Inventory and all the horrid bright blue squares is causing issues :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkbloom Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I want to separate the "I don't like these changes" arguments (valid opinions btw) from the "this UI makes me sick" or "makes my head hurt" crowd. Yes, some of the latter is hyperbole. But I definitely want to bring attention to the fact that for some group of people, these changes actually do cause negative symptoms. I shared why that's true for some earlier (won't reshare b/c even the link itself causes some to feel sick). But I think it's really important that someone on the dev team take a look at some point. Specifically talking about the new inventory UI for now, and only that. And before someone says "can't please everyone," I want to point out that most modern UI approaches intentionally don't do UI the way the new inventory UI is done, for these exact reasons. PM me if you want to understand more... Yeah this is not about likes or dislikes, or opinions. I appreciate you addressing this issue so directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeastman Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 /signed. I can tolerate the other changes in this patch but the inventory UI legitimately does give me a headache (which for me brings some nausea as well). I tried working with storage last night and had to stop, it was just making me feel terrible physically. I'll have to wait to see if they'll create a way to toggle this off or perhaps remove it completely, but I know unless they do my playing days are over soon, as a f2p or sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethrah Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) /signed. I can tolerate the other changes in this patch, but the inventory UI legitimately does give me a headache (which for me brings some nausea as well). I tried working with storage last night and had to stop, it was just making me feel terrible physically. I'll have to wait to see if they'll create a way to toggle this off or perhaps remove it completely, but I know unless they do my playing days are over soon, as a f2p or sub. In the same boat as you, this is fairly awful ATM Edited February 18, 2022 by Sethrah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totemdancer Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) I want to separate the "I don't like these changes" arguments (valid opinions btw) from the "this UI makes me sick" or "makes my head hurt" crowd. Yes, some of the latter is hyperbole. But I definitely want to bring attention to the fact that for some group of people, these changes actually do cause negative symptoms. I shared why that's true for some earlier (won't reshare b/c even the link itself causes some to feel sick). But I think it's really important that someone on the dev team take a look at some point. Specifically talking about the new inventory UI for now, and only that. And before someone says "can't please everyone," I want to point out that most modern UI approaches intentionally don't do UI the way the new inventory UI is done, for these exact reasons. PM me if you want to understand more... Exactly as Joon says. It’s actually doing physical harm to some people if they try and play with this UI. It’s not about if you like the modern look or the old look at this point. It’s that the colors, font and highlights are causing eye strain, headaches and migraines that are physically doing harm for some players. And Bioware’s continued silence on this aspect alone is glaring. They’ve made no apologies, no post to say we will fix it or that they are even considering fixing it. Bioware are AFK as usual when there is a major problem. Edited February 18, 2022 by Totemdancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starphoenixsoul Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 add me to the "the new inventory ui is literally giving me a headache" group. finally looked at it for more than a minute to organize and sort my new gear, and this new ui is making that literally a painful experience for me. i wish i could say that i can't believe that this got past testing, but sadly that's not true. Most of the ui changes i'm not a huge fan of, but could live with, but this makes it difficult to engage with the game in a non-superficial manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totemdancer Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) i wish i could say that i can't believe that this got past testing, I can’t believe it’s been 3 days since launch and Keith and the devs have failed to comment on this problem. Edited February 18, 2022 by Totemdancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SternSgtRex Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Holy **** I actually didn't have too much of a problem with the new inventory look but seeing it side by side with the old one actually made me blink away for a few seconds. That IS painful lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depizan Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Yeah, seriously, please give us some control over the brightness of the new interface. The inventory is probably the worst, but the character creation screens are also really high contrast. Perhaps tone it down a smidge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rujopetteri Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Yeah, seriously, please give us some control over the brightness of the new interface. The inventory is probably the worst, but the character creation screens are also really high contrast. Perhaps tone it down a smidge? My biggest issue with the character creator was the inability to zoom out and see the whole character. The dark background was not that bad. But the new UI does give me a real headache if I have to keep inventory open for extended periods. So far there haven't been anything in this expa... eh... "reduction" that I like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tadagyt Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Me too, the inventory makes me dizzy after some minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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