Please put the last gear pieces on the fleet vendor

[CarlGustaf]

My point is that "it's not BiS so make it trivially accessible" is not a good argument, because that same logic applies to countless other things that really don't need to be made trivially accessible.

 

In fact, I would argue the opposite (which you seem to have included in your scattergun spray of arguments): the sets that are BiS are the ones that have a case for being made available from HM-equivalent content, because those are the things you might actually need in order to do NiM (or equivalent) content!

 

Likewise, "but the achievements!" is not a good argument for making something trivially accessible, because "Doom's Delay" and "Dxun Arrow" are achievements too.

 

And then they buff a set nim set or nerf another and one of these is the new BIS. And we start all over again.

Let's make it short. Just put every single available gear piece on the fleet vendor. And there are no such problems.

[DeannaVoyager]

And then they buff a set nim set or nerf another and one of these is the new BIS. And we start all over again.

Let's make it short. Just put every single available gear piece on the fleet vendor. And there are no such problems.

 

Yes. All sets should be obtainable with reasonable effort, being it credit or fragment grinding or running an op where they drop, as long as everyone has a fair chance to get them.

[Pricia]

Signed.

No reason why some classes can't get their set the same way as the others.

[dwiekopy]

C`mon Bioware. Please, read this thread. That`s what players want. More than new content

[SeCKSEgai]

I came back fairly recently, as the release of squadrons had me craving GSF. I really was reluctant to sub again and it the desire to get the sprint champion achievement and realizing that tho its still a level 70 area I was probably not going to do it in 258s.

 

And just for a point of reference, the last time I had visited 248s (now 250s) were BiS.

 

By the second week subbed, my main, an infiltration shadow had her set and all her 306 goods and was just waiting on amp changes.

 

But my arsenal merc took over 100k in gambled frags (a lot more) and the millions to go along with it just in the pursuit of apex. Now I wasn't running multiple ops daily -- would be pretty hard to anyway given how hard even filling a TC can get these days (at least on Satele). But I have run quite a bit of them subbed, and given you can't even expect a piece at every boss (SM wise because it's not fair to commit to a prog team when you aren't sure how long you're sticking around) but even filling in on HM its no different.

 

I was basically burning over 40k in frags every week gambling and even put off most of my sets until I went 2 weeks straight (80k+) gambled trying to pick up that 6th piece. When I finally got it it was like the joy of finally picking up a 224 head piece (for those who remember that grind). It's a good thing I don't like tanking as a PT/Vanguard because grinding that one too.... yeah.

 

In truth most of the new set bonuses are simply fluff not worth using. It doesn't make sense that a few specs get singled out when plenty can find their ideal set right on the vendor.

[CarlGustaf]

I came back fairly recently, as the release of squadrons had me craving GSF. I really was reluctant to sub again and it the desire to get the sprint champion achievement and realizing that tho its still a level 70 area I was probably not going to do it in 258s.

 

And just for a point of reference, the last time I had visited 248s (now 250s) were BiS.

 

By the second week subbed, my main, an infiltration shadow had her set and all her 306 goods and was just waiting on amp changes.

 

But my arsenal merc took over 100k in gambled frags (a lot more) and the millions to go along with it just in the pursuit of apex. Now I wasn't running multiple ops daily -- would be pretty hard to anyway given how hard even filling a TC can get these days (at least on Satele). But I have run quite a bit of them subbed, and given you can't even expect a piece at every boss (SM wise because it's not fair to commit to a prog team when you aren't sure how long you're sticking around) but even filling in on HM its no different.

 

I was basically burning over 40k in frags every week gambling and even put off most of my sets until I went 2 weeks straight (80k+) gambled trying to pick up that 6th piece. When I finally got it it was like the joy of finally picking up a 224 head piece (for those who remember that grind). It's a good thing I don't like tanking as a PT/Vanguard because grinding that one too.... yeah.

 

In truth most of the new set bonuses are simply fluff not worth using. It doesn't make sense that a few specs get singled out when plenty can find their ideal set right on the vendor.

 

Nicely said. I feel your frustration.

[dwiekopy]

C`mon Bioware. Please, read this thread. That`s what players want. More than new content

[DeannaVoyager]

C`mon Bioware. Please, read this thread. That`s what players want. More than new content

 

I wouldn't say "more than new content", because I would really like to see some new content too, but since we rarely get that then yeah, rather this than boosting more GSF conquest objectives or tampering with the UI.

[dwiekopy]

This thread can`t die. Fly, fly to the top!

[Pricia]

To the top.

[ceryxp]

I am tossing in my hat--does a beanie count as a hat? it is a head covering--tossing in my head covering in support of this idea.

 

The vast majority of my characters are either Consulars or Inquisitors. Do you know what is great about that? For all of the DPS disciplines the best in slot set bonus and both tactical items (single target and AOE focus) are available for direct purchase on the class gear vendor on the fleet. I also have several Knights and Warriors. Same thing. I can just head to the class gear vendor on the fleet.

 

In fact, in most cases one can just head to the class gear vendor and get their BiS set bonus and tactical. But a few classes have to either run OPs and hope for a drop, gamble at Kai, or wait for Kai's stock to rotate in a piece of their BiS set.

 

Every set should be on the class gear vendors. No one should be forced to run specific content (violates their play-your-way philosophy), have to gamble at Kai, or wait 26-52x longer to get their BiS set.

 

* Note - I am talking about PVE sets only. I do not know the state of PVP sets, but they should also all be on the class vendor.

 

** 26-52x longer - it is entirely possible to acquire enough tech fragments necessary to directly purchase all six pieces of a set within one to two weeks. Kai's stock rotates on a set pattern with set pieces appearing over multiple weeks. If, for example, one purchases their first Apex Predator set piece this weekend, the belt is available, they will be able to purchase their sixth piece the weekend of 10 December (head slot).

[dwiekopy]

Every set should be on the class gear vendors. No one should be forced to run specific content (violates their play-your-way philosophy), have to gamble at Kai, or wait 26-52x longer to get their BiS set

 

Amen to that. If you do this, Bioware, hundreds of players will subscribe again and hundreds of players will come back to the game

Edited April 14, 2021 by dwiekopy

[Opiklo]

Put stuff on vendors?! I totally agree. We need more free stuff in this game. Best in Slot Gear from Operations was banned for a reason. And it was a good change for the game. All raiders, who did not like it, left, and all story players are happy. Good thing. Put all things on vendors, more free stuff, no hard work, no need to play the game, just gib.

 

And the suggestion to make the really really good set bonuses more expensive than others. Brilliant. A pay to win aspect. That's what we like to see. Full Apex for the rich people. Brilliant idea. More. Hire the guy.

 

you are saying putting expensive stuff on vendors is pay to win because of the credit cap and you need to be subscribed.

the same time you want this stuff only in raids, which require a subscription.

 

if that does not ring a bell in your head i cant help you.

[Opiklo]

Maybe i should explain it to you then. There is a difference if you put gear behind skill gated content, like it traditional was in this game and other games. And putting gear simply on a vendor, that you basically need to pay the developers, to have access to the vendor.

 

if that does not ring a bell in your head i can't help you either.

 

skill gated content like ev hm.

yeah... sure.

and your reading comprehension is just bad.

 

the thread is named "Please put the last gear pieces on the fleet vendor"

 

and so you are advocating to take kai zykken out of the game.

because you can gamble there and need 1mil credits for a piece of junk.

 

it took me 1 year to get my emergency power.

but i have the gloves 5 times.

yeah that took me a lot of skill.

i have the feeling you just want to be edgy and a "traditionalist".

"ES BLEIBT ALLES SO WIE ES IST!"

is your name andreas and you hide your pirelli calender under your schalke calender for the tv?

Edited April 17, 2021 by Opiklo

[Opiklo]

if you really want that gear to be behind a skill and not a rng wall. then ask for ops tokens and loot tables like in the old times.

but the current system - it just sucks.

rng is not exciting its frustrating. (greetings to ben)

Edited April 17, 2021 by Opiklo

[Opiklo]

ev hm is still better than "i pay to go to this vendor".

 

i'm on a 7-day-ref-link-subscription. i don't want to spent all week to dismantle your ideas. you arranged yourself with vendor gear, because it is easy. easy to get, easy to buy, easy to not play the game and get everything. like a true story hero.

 

you take a stand against me, to advocate that the last gear from ops is taken away. you don't even realize, that this is not what you actually want.

 

what you want, is to get rid of the rng factor in the current form. you want gear tokens back in operations. like belt token, go to vendor and buy apex belt. that is what you want. and you don't see it.

 

you just want to discuss on the forums. and don't have the ability to express yourself and say what you really want.

 

instead you're giving ideas to bioware to destroy the rest of the game. yeah... make bis gear more expensive than other set bonuses. like 4 times more expensive.

 

i'm not andreas. and i'm not a football fan. i'll be on discord tomorrow. i dare you to show up.

 

Edit: lul... okay, you finally realized. always happy to help you to reflect about what you are saying.

 

i am done with you. it makes no sense.

yeah i am a story hero. you are right. you are the crown of creation.

raiding is only about gear. my mom is a donkey. and god smokes carpet leftovers.

all hail to you allknowing super human.

i am dirt.

i finally see it.

[Opiklo]

you take a stand against me, to advocate that the last gear from ops is taken away. you don't even realize, that this is not what you actually want.

 

what you want, is to get rid of the rng factor in the current form. you want gear tokens back in operations. like belt token, go to vendor and buy apex belt. that is what you want. and you don't see it.

 

 

one last thing. please learn to read and comprehend.

NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE THE LOOT OUT OF OPERATIONS.

at least i think that you think that people want that.

sorry your english is too bad. that sentence of yours makes no sense. its the only thing i can imagine that you could mean with that.

maybe you read the whole thread again.

slowly. 5 times at least. then get some help. take a dictionary.

and maybe, really just maybe you will understand what this here is about.

[CarlGustaf]

I would find it nice if we stayed more on topic...

 

you take a stand against me, to advocate that the last gear from ops is taken away. you don't even realize, that this is not what you actually want.

 

what you want, is to get rid of the rng factor in the current form. you want gear tokens back in operations. like belt token, go to vendor and buy apex belt. that is what you want. and you don't see it.

 

you just want to discuss on the forums. and don't have the ability to express yourself and say what you really want.

 

instead you're giving ideas to bioware to destroy the rest of the game. yeah... make bis gear more expensive than other set bonuses. like 4 times more expensive..

 

I would assume that Opiklo is capable to know what he wants.

 

To place every gear set on the vendor is the only reasonable way I can imagine Bioware actually doing. And since Bioware loves their credit sinks I proposed the idea of making them more expensive. I'm just offering ideas and I would gladly take back token gear from operations. A Vendor where you can buy every gear piece you like with a token really sounds amazing. Would take that asap.

 

Tell me just one thing. How is it good or acceptable that a marauder can get his BIS gear through tech fragments on the vendor and a PT tank has not the same "luxury" with his Emergency Power set? Why does he need to rely on the RNG gods when others don't? The same goes for the Apex Predator set of Arsenal Mercenaries. What's wrong with that?

Side note: Even if you kill Red with 7 Power Techs, since you need at least one Heal. You're not guaranteed the Emergency Power chest piece. Nice to think about…

 

Anyway. I don't care how it's implemented. I just really think it's time to put everything on the vendor since enough time has past since the introduction of said gear sets.

[Opiklo]

 

What are the benefits from gear on vendors? The only difference to earlier years is, that single player run around in best in slot gear and still yell for nerfs for soloflashpoints.

 

you sir are bitter, ignorant and see gear as some kind of "achievement".

who cares if a autohit mando runs around in bis?

in all your "oNlY nIm RaIdErS DeSerVe BIS" you are forgetting something.

 

3 letters

 

PVP!

 

in your strange world. how is a pvp player supposed to obtain bis?

you complain about people complaining all the time, but all you do is complaining.

alman level over 9000

[DeannaVoyager]

Sometimes feeding the trolls is just too funny. But at least it keeps the topic up.

[dwiekopy]

Please, stay on topic. If you wanna argue, do it in private. Just because Bioware don`t read it doesn`t mean Jackie won`t lock it if you keep barking at each other

[Toraak]

Now that we know that 7.0 will make all of these sets not work when we hit level 80, it's time to revisit this.

 

BW Plz put all of the sets on the vendors, so we can get these achievements before the release of 7.0. I know I'm still grinding for 3 of the sets. Fulminating defense, Superiority, and Ballistic concentration personally.

[Baletraeger]

Now that we know that 7.0 will make all of these sets not work when we hit level 80, it's time to revisit this.

 

BW Plz put all of the sets on the vendors, so we can get these achievements before the release of 7.0. I know I'm still grinding for 3 of the sets. Fulminating defense, Superiority, and Ballistic concentration personally.

 

/signed

[DeannaVoyager]

Now that we know that 7.0 will make all of these sets not work when we hit level 80, it's time to revisit this.

 

BW Plz put all of the sets on the vendors, so we can get these achievements before the release of 7.0. I know I'm still grinding for 3 of the sets. Fulminating defense, Superiority, and Ballistic concentration personally.

 

/signed.

 

And adding a note for the devs:

 

In the future, don't make achievements that are based on RNG. Rolling a dice to get a piece of an armor is not an achievement, it's lottery. Also don't put BiS set bonuses behind a lottery ticket. Everyone should get their gear with the same amount of grind. We all pay the same sub, we should get the gear with same amount of grinding/creds regardless of what class we play.