Legacy : Getting Social Points faster, similar to unlocks for Experience Points

[AlrikFassbauer]

Hello,

 

there are unlocks for getting Experience Points and Valor Points (PvP) faster, but not for Social Points and for Light side Points also.

 

I acknowledge thart the point of an MMO is to socialize, I have nevertheless the feeling as if this is slower than gettinh Experience Points.

 

I write that because Social Clothing & Social Armor and other Social Items are slower to get because of this. With my level.

 

For a very long time, Esseles was the only way to get Social Points relatively quickly. But, my level 20 character doesn't have Veteran Esseles in the activity finder anymore.

Solo play of the Esseles FP is possible, but not Veteran ?

 

Because of that, getting Social Points has become very slower for low level characters.

 

Despite the intentions to get all characters to level 60 and beyond as quickly as possible, there is still a number of people playing characters in lower level regions. But these are neglected, and require more work to get Social Points, for example, because Esseles seems to be abvailable only for high-level characters these days.

 

As a sidenote, I've had the idea for a new, rather silly Legacy Achievement . Eat and drink of every different food item offered in Cantinas at least once ...

 

Since i love good-humoured sillyness, I#d appreciate that.

 

Regards,

Alrik

[DarkTergon]

Hello,

 

there are unlocks for getting Experience Points and Valor Points (PvP) faster, but not for Social Points and for Light side Points also.

 

I acknowledge thart the point of an MMO is to socialize, I have nevertheless the feeling as if this is slower than gettinh Experience Points.

 

I write that because Social Clothing & Social Armor and other Social Items are slower to get because of this. With my level.

 

For a very long time, Esseles was the only way to get Social Points relatively quickly. But, my level 20 character doesn't have Veteran Esseles in the activity finder anymore.

Solo play of the Esseles FP is possible, but not Veteran ?

 

Because of that, getting Social Points has become very slower for low level characters.

 

Despite the intentions to get all characters to level 60 and beyond as quickly as possible, there is still a number of people playing characters in lower level regions. But these are neglected, and require more work to get Social Points, for example, because Esseles seems to be abvailable only for high-level characters these days.

 

As a sidenote, I've had the idea for a new, rather silly Legacy Achievement . Eat and drink of every different food item offered in Cantinas at least once ...

 

Since i love good-humoured sillyness, I#d appreciate that.

 

Regards,

Alrik

 

Social points can accumulate quite fast, especially if you use the boosts. But you have to group up, i've chars hit social 10, and i didn't even realise it. Not sure when it changed, but it's a lot easier now, then when I first started. My first cchar to get to 10 took ages, and a billion runs of BT (May not actually be a billion, but it felt like it lol )

 

I like the idea of the fun/lighthearted achievements , as long as they aren't tedious to get .

Edited December 27, 2019 by DarkTergon

[SteveTheCynic]

Social points can accumulate quite fast, especially if you use the boosts. But you have to group up, i've chars hit social 10, and i didn't even realise it. Not sure when it changed, but it's a lot easier now, then when I first started. My first cchar to get to 10 took ages, and a billion runs of BT (May not actually be a billion, but it felt like it lol )

I don't know if it's still the case, but before 6.0 you got social points for killing bosses in Operations.

[AlrikFassbauer]

Well, I was rather speaking from the point of view of a player who has a level 20 character. there's no Operations for that level.

 

hat i meant was rather this : You coulde get into Social I pretty fast by running Esseles with such a low level. That seems to be gone now. My level 23 character could only list for KDY, Athiss, Cademimu, Mando Raiders. No Esseles, so the points from there are not available any more to such low levels.

 

KDY made me get this character 3 or 4 levels, by the way. But only very few Social Points.

Edited December 28, 2019 by AlrikFassbauer

[SteveTheCynic]

hat i meant was rather this : You coulde get into Social I pretty fast by running Esseles with such a low level. That seems to be gone now. My level 23 character could only list for KDY, Athiss, Cademimu, Mando Raiders. No Esseles, so the points from there are not available any more to such low levels.

You can't just group up and walk into Esseles through the door at the southern end of Fleet?

[DarthVandalism]

Can we just revisit making social a legacy thing again? please? The rewards for it are hardly worth the effort anymore and it'd be nice to get the outfits I want right off, rather than grind it out for each character. ...again.

[RowanThursday]

Can we just revisit making social a legacy thing again? please? The rewards for it are hardly worth the effort anymore and it'd be nice to get the outfits I want right off, rather than grind it out for each character. ...again.

 

This would actually be logical. After all, the "point" of social points is to be a treat for players who socialise, not characters. I can see that it might make the reward tiers in need of slight rebalancing if it jumped to legacy-wide, but, naturally, playing with friends and being supportive of one another during levelling tends to encourage alting up: "Your Sentinel's having trouble with Quest X? Hang on, if you give my Gunslinger a bit of melee support through Quest Y here, then I'll swap to my Sage and heal you through it..." etc etc. With that in mind, it would make sense for the reward for social behaviour to apply irrespective of character.

 

The other approach would be to keep the point progression character bound, but replace the vendor gear with collection unlocks which would then be legacy wide. That would actually make the gear more accessible to the new alt, but wouldn't reward socialisation across the board as much as making the points themselves legacy bound.

[SteveTheCynic]

I can see that it might make the reward tiers in need of slight rebalancing if it jumped to legacy-wide,

Not necessarily. A player cannot play more than one character at a time *on*that*account*, so it's not like the total points go up faster if they are earned on different characters rather than all on one character, and there's no reasonable way to scale them to account for the (highly variable, anywhere from 1 to in excess of 200) number of different characters in the legacy.

 

Also: consider how they treated the Cartel Pack reputations: they merged them into one and kept the highest. Leaving the Social progression the same number of points would therefore seem reasonable.

[RowanThursday]

Fair point. Trying to remember what the available social gear actually is... I remember a shock collar available on Belsavis, that I think my Warrior might like to present to Malavai as a sort of sweet way of expressing her brand of forgiveness after the Incident. I seem to remember a couple of flight suits, and isn't there a rather nice set of Vossian robes that actually have the hood on the head armour, like it should be, rather than part of the chest?

[SteveTheCynic]

Fair point. Trying to remember what the available social gear actually is... I remember a shock collar available on Belsavis, that I think my Warrior might like to present to Malavai as a sort of sweet way of expressing her brand of forgiveness after the Incident. I seem to remember a couple of flight suits, and isn't there a rather nice set of Vossian robes that actually have the hood on the head armour, like it should be, rather than part of the chest?

https://torf.mmo-fashion.com/social-gear-sets/ has a (possibly incomplete) list of gear sets up to rank VI. Above that I don't think there's any armour, just party bombs and stuff like that.

 

EDIT: and how could you have forgotten the Rank II Slave Girl Outfit???

Edited April 17, 2020 by SteveTheCynic

[LD_Little_Dragon]

EDIT: and how could you have forgotten the Rank II Slave Girl Outfit???

 

Easily, and quite happily. At least until they bring in a male equivilant. That outfit was one of the things that put me off trying SWTOR for years. It's too much like so many other over-the-top sexist MMOs that show as soon as you search for images of available armors and compare the male/female versions.

 

(although overall SWTOR is alright, it's just that the initial impression those slave/dancers/tank top female-only outfits originally give is poor)

[SteveTheCynic]

Easily, and quite happily. At least until they bring in a male equivilant. That outfit was one of the things that put me off trying SWTOR for years. It's too much like so many other over-the-top sexist MMOs that show as soon as you search for images of available armors and compare the male/female versions.

 

(although overall SWTOR is alright, it's just that the initial impression those slave/dancers/tank top female-only outfits originally give is poor)

But but but ...

 

It's iconic Star Wars gear!

 

Who can forget Carrie Fisher in a get-up like that strangling Jabba the Hutt?

 

(Yes. I'm yanking your chain, although the point remains valid, as does your point about the lack of symmetry between beyond-skimpy outfits for female-only and similarly minimalist outfits for male-only.)

[DarkGruffalo]

But but but ...

 

It's iconic Star Wars gear!

 

Who can forget Carrie Fisher in a get-up like that strangling Jabba the Hutt?

 

(Yes. I'm yanking your chain, although the point remains valid, as does your point about the lack of symmetry between beyond-skimpy outfits for female-only and similarly minimalist outfits for male-only.)

 

Well, guys can put on jori's loin cloth (speedo types underwear), or Ventilated Triumvirate Leggings, (a bit skimpier)

although technically not just for males, it is a skimpy option.......not something you want to see on skadge.....but can be fun grossing out fleet

[RowanThursday]

Well, guys can put on jori's loin cloth (speedo types underwear), or Ventilated Triumvirate Leggings, (a bit skimpier)

although technically not just for males, it is a skimpy option.......not something you want to see on skadge.....but can be fun grossing out fleet

 

Somewhere, a Bioware dev is crafting a set of best in show gear for Bounty Hunter, and putting the final touches to the description: "This armour is only available to players upon completing the new Skadge romance quest line."

 

Seriously, I never minded the slave girl and dancer outfits, or their comparatively scarcer male equivalents (Naga Sadow's miniskirt dyed a dark colour, belt, and nothing else is a very good look for Qzyen Fess, incidentally). They're outfits which are available, they're potentially useful for roleplay and immersion (I don't mean in a salacious sense, I mean in a "Sith Inquisitor as recently freed slave before she take more suitable garments from the bloody tatters of her victims", or "Imperial Agent blending in undercover" way), and nobody who isn't fictional has to wear them unless they choose to.

 

Personally, too, whilst they're somewhat absurd in many cases, I vastly prefer that, or even the glut of "random armour reskinned with lots of bits cut out" pieces available on the Cartel Market, which at least are available to both genders, to certain other MMOs penchant for: "Here's your full body suit of armour... or, if you're female, here's your metal dental floss."

[Hudlar]

Somewhere, a Bioware dev is crafting a set of best in show gear for Bounty Hunter, and putting the final touches to the description: "This armour is only available to players upon completing the new Skadge romance quest line."

 

 

Seriously, I never minded the slave girl and dancer outfits, or their comparatively scarcer male equivalents (Naga Sadow's miniskirt dyed a dark colour, belt, and nothing else is a very good look for Qzyen Fess, incidentally). They're outfits which are available, they're potentially useful for roleplay and immersion (I don't mean in a salacious sense, I mean in a "Sith Inquisitor as recently freed slave before she take more suitable garments from the bloody tatters of her victims", or "Imperial Agent blending in undercover" way), and nobody who isn't fictional has to wear them unless they choose to.

 

Personally, too, whilst they're somewhat absurd in many cases, I vastly prefer that, or even the glut of "random armour reskinned with lots of bits cut out" pieces available on the Cartel Market, which at least are available to both genders, to certain other MMOs penchant for: "Here's your full body suit of armour... or, if you're female, here's your metal dental floss."

 

Yes, one of the things I always liked about SWTOR was that there was plenty of non-skimpy armor for female characters. Even back in the dark days before the Outfit Designer, my female characters and companions never had to wear chainmail bikinis or slave outfits if I didn't want them to. It would be nice to see a skimpy male outfit for Social II just for symmetry, but it's not a big deal to me.

 

Back on topic, I would love for social points to be easier to get in some way. I was mostly a solo player before 6.0, so I never paid too much attention to social points. However, I've run quite a few Vet FPs in the past few months, and I've been surprised by how slowly my character's social rank has been creeping up.

[LD_Little_Dragon]

 

Personally, too, whilst they're somewhat absurd in many cases, I vastly prefer that, or even the glut of "random armour reskinned with lots of bits cut out" pieces available on the Cartel Market, which at least are available to both genders, to certain other MMOs penchant for: "Here's your full body suit of armour... or, if you're female, here's your metal dental floss."

 

It is much better than at launch. Especially since outfit designer means your character can look whatever way they want to. Kkimpy or fully armored. It was the class story rewards of better armor that forced you into skimpy (if you wanted the upgrade) that annoyed me way back when. 'Not as bad as other MMO's' was still a very low bar to set.

 

I don't mind the skimpy/tank top styles so much as the gender differences, sometimes I'd like the skimpy version on a male toon or the non-skimpy on a fem toon (Aspiring knight I'm looking at you. Where's the full shirt version for fem toons? I'd pay for that ...)

[DarkGruffalo]

Somewhere, a Bioware dev is crafting a set of best in show gear for Bounty Hunter, and putting the final touches to the description: "This armour is only available to players upon completing the new Skadge romance quest line."

 

 

I'd be stuck between, "do I really want to see that" and "how badly do I want that armour" lol

[SteveTheCynic]

I don't mind the skimpy/tank top styles so much as the gender differences, sometimes I'd like the skimpy version on a male toon or the non-skimpy on a fem toon (Aspiring knight I'm looking at you. Where's the full shirt version for fem toons? I'd pay for that ...)

Or the Omniscient Master set that used to drop from Tier 4 Command Crates. The male version is fairly ordinary, aside from *huge* Darth Wings and a hood that you can hide with the Hide Head Slot checkbox.

 

The female version is a Jaesa-style plunge-neck bare-midriff crop-top, but keeps the huge Darth Wings. Nothing is quite as ridiculous as that, quite frankly.

[RowanThursday]

Darth Wings. ..

 

There is absolutely no truth in those rumours that, once in the privacy of the Dark Council Chambers on Korriban, the Darths like to run around wearing their biggest shoulder wings and shouting things like:

 

"Neeeeeeeeeeowwwwwwww!" and "Dakka-dakka-dakka".

 

Darth Marr never confirmed that he encouraged Thanaton to say "That's no moon..." when Baras entered the chambers.

 

On topic, yes, I'd forgotten those early quest progression rewards. My Inquisitor was angry enough about the way Kallig's Countenance was coded as a hood down mask, making it look far less effective than it should, and downright absurd on a type 1 female, but when quest completion "rewarded" her with a bare-midriff top for Hoth, she was enraged. Various Ortolans were eaten.

[Ylliarus]

Well, I was rather speaking from the point of view of a player who has a level 20 character. there's no Operations for that level.

 

hat i meant was rather this : You coulde get into Social I pretty fast by running Esseles with such a low level. That seems to be gone now. My level 23 character could only list for KDY, Athiss, Cademimu, Mando Raiders. No Esseles, so the points from there are not available any more to such low levels.

 

KDY made me get this character 3 or 4 levels, by the way. But only very few Social Points.

 

You can also run Hammer Station, that's also an easy one for low level characters and the queues for those pop really fast. Running Hammer Station at least once will get you to Social I very swiftly. And if you insist on doing Esseles or Black Talon you can just ask for a group in genchat and then go into the FP manually.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Ylliarus

[SteveTheCynic]

Darth Wings. ..

For reference, here is Miss Spooky Eyes modelling Omniscient Master:

https://i.imgur.com/tF5fQfv.jpg

Er, without the hood, which is in fact a helmet *shaped* like a hood..

On topic, yes, I'd forgotten those early quest progression rewards. My Inquisitor was angry enough about the way Kallig's Countenance was coded as a hood down mask, making it look far less effective than it should, and downright absurd on a type 1 female, but when quest completion "rewarded" her with a bare-midriff top for Hoth, she was enraged. Various Ortolans were eaten.

Yeah. I always wondered about that. It would be almost as bad on Quesh, but for a different reason.

[RowanThursday]

Perhaps Warzones should award social points, but only for objective based play? That way there's a social reward for participating in all activities which benefit others in the community, without quite such a narrow range. Personally I find the idea of selling myself to strangers as a good group invite for flashpoints more than a bit intimidating, and I doubt I'm alone in that,, with all the different expectations and play styles, and I simply can't keep track of the barked out acronym-speech. I'm not much of a fan of pvp, but warzones at least tend not to have that intimidation factor, and a social reward for players who contribute might be appropriate?

 

Maybe - once it's Legacy wide, so the obvious imbalance is corrected, random acts of kindness in open world should also count? A heal or revive cast on another player could be worth a few points?

 

Yes, you say, that would just encourage people to roll more healers, but... how would that be bad for the community?

Edited April 18, 2020 by RowanThursday

[DarthVandalism]

If nothing else, making it Legacy wide might breath a little life back into it. Though Warzones would speed up getting it quite a bit especially during leveling, since lowbie pvp is much more fun (at least for me) than elder pvp.

[SteveTheCynic]

If nothing else, making it Legacy wide might breath a little life back into it.

Unfortunately, the breath of life would only be brief, since it wouldn't take long for everyone who was interested to crank their legacy to rank X, and then they'd have no reason to participate afterwards.

[DarkTergon]

Well, I was rather speaking from the point of view of a player who has a level 20 character. there's no Operations for that level.

 

hat i meant was rather this : You coulde get into Social I pretty fast by running Esseles with such a low level. That seems to be gone now. My level 23 character could only list for KDY, Athiss, Cademimu, Mando Raiders. No Esseles, so the points from there are not available any more to such low levels.

 

KDY made me get this character 3 or 4 levels, by the way. But only very few Social Points.

 

 

As steve mentioned, you can go in to BT/Esseles at the docking bay where you go to the next starting planet. Best part is you can grab 3 others, run story mode, and have 4 jesus bots too Quite funny when all 4 attack, and you just stand there and watch But just a quick warning, it's bugged at the moment, sometimes not all the bots will summon, so you might have to change group leader around so everyone can With the bots, and space barring, you'll fly around in no time