Donger Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Funny, because only players with an active sub can post here. Wrong. Mine is canceled, but I can still post up till the free time is over.
Masakari_ Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 I think it's pretty obvious that it was OP, but it's also equally obvious that they nerfed it way too much.
Durzaka Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Umm, it takes almost no time to send them out so you can do the things you mentioned plus make the extra creds. I made over 17.5k on Hoth in just over an hour while questing just opening boxes. Plus if you are picking the right missions you should earn at least 1200 per hour per companion so in your example without selling any drops. 3 companions x 5 hours x 1200 creds equals 18,000 creds for little effort. Now do the same math except with those companions running something like UWT and you stopping at the kiosk for a few minutes and posting them.
Drewser Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Now do the same math except with those companions running something like UWT and you stopping at the kiosk for a few minutes and posting them. I'd wait to see what those mats sell for when surplus cred supply has a few more days to run its course. On my server there is a lot less action at the GTN. I know I was spending a ton on Biochem mats but now post nerf, I am not, I am leveling a bioanalysis alt instead.
Svisto Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Gathering missions like that are supposed to be supplemental to your gathering skill or something you can have your companions do while off-line. You're not supposed to sit there and get rich from sending your companions out on a few missions, you're actually supposed to harvest the slicing nodes out in the worlds. You guys are doing it wrong and complaining it's broken. This is how to make 100k credits per hour pre nerf. There are places in the SWTOR universe where you can't harvest fast enough because the zones are overly full of nodes.
WakeZero Posted December 30, 2011 Author Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) lol he quit cause they nerfed slicing that is a riot people are such babies No, I cancelled my sub because BioWare is a company, and companies only care about making money. So if I don't like their product or what they do with it, as a consumer I'm putting my money where my mouth is. That's when consumers are heard. Welcome to the free market. And if in the 22 days I have left of my initial game time they make a statement and some sort of correction to slicing, I may resubscribe. The point is, it's my decision what I do with my money. If BioWare wants it, then I hope they start treating their customers with more respect. Not responding to even one of these threads is insulting. Edited December 30, 2011 by WakeZero
Force_Storm Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Dude, you're wacked to think it didn't need a nerf. I was making 100k credits an hour LOL...Glad I made my 4 million credits while it was OP... can I please borrow 100,000 thousand credits? I have a very devout jedi character who is completely good but he is just poor. I know if I just had 100,000 or 200,000 credits right now I would be able to make him powerful. You can help me please, this small loan I am asking you for only represents one hour of work before the nerf. Now that slicing is broken I basically have no hope to ever be a good character and it is christmas and he has 8 children to feed, please please help if you have a soul.
TwinkLover Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Two facts about slicing: 2. Slicing provided some crafting recipes last time I saw it... Not that you can, like, sell some for few thousands each to other players. On my server these schematics sell for almost nothing. The blues sell for several hundred and the max level purples sell for about 2k in theory but there's endless pages of them listed and I've only managed to sell a couple. Despite constantly listing them at 1 credit under the current lowest price I still have dozens of schematics that i've collected from slicing constantly since release.
MMOWarrior Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 have any Slicers thought about actually going out and gathering, ya know since it is a Gathering skill... which by the way is free and clear credits... ya find it that easy with any other craft... can't have any sympathy, sorry..
MasterBlasterO Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) The game has been out for what 9 days? You cancel your subscription because of a nerf to a crew skill, fearing about how they only care about money? Maybe MMOs are not the right type of game for you. :l Edited December 30, 2011 by MasterBlasterO
DarthMelancholy Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 You missed the point entirely. They made a rash decision in response to a public relations mess with players complaining about a skill a week after release. These players weren't even 50 yet, the economy was nowhere near stable, but the first thing they did was nerf it. Then, you have threads with 200k+ views, but not one response to the issue. Not one. They even did an AMA on Reddit, where the question was asked REPEATEDLY, and still it was ignored. Agreed. The way Bioware is handling business is poor and if this continues I'm going to cancel my two subscriptions before they get another penny out of me and I hope that they don't even keep their 500k subscribers to profit from this game. No wonder it only cost them that much worth of subscriptions, let's be honest this is just WoW in space and anyone who disagrees is just lying to themselves.
Bekthor Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 >.< See Ya You could have always farmed the slicing nodes while sending companions on missions. But feel free to quit because Bioware didnt make things completely easy for you.
Durzaka Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 have any Slicers thought about actually going out and gathering, ya know since it is a Gathering skill... which by the way is free and clear credits... ya find it that easy with any other craft... can't have any sympathy, sorry.. The amount of nodes ive found while leveling (and running all around zones im questing in) and the amount of credits in said boxes makes it a complete waste of time. Taris empire side gives class 3 (sometimes 4) boxes for about 500-800 credits each. I would rather be running missions for better credit/time reward.
Elyx Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Um... Your money certainly is your own, and you can choose how to spend it... But if you quit solely on the idea that they nerfed a skill too much for your personal taste (I disagree that it's overnerfed), then I hate to break it to ya, but you are rage-quitting. You are overreacting to it. Other MMO's have done far worse nerfs in the past (3.0 paladins from WoW come to mind). if you quit on something as small as this...well i wish you luck. slicing doesn't lose any more money then any other gathering profession. y'all who are whining about it need to get a grip. gripe about a broken economy, where the money sinks are too expensive. gripe about poor trade skill balance that needs to be corrected. gripe about a clumsy grand market that prohibits precise searching and encourages people not to use it. but don't gripe about the fact that they fixed a broke skill.
MasterBlasterO Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Agreed. The way Bioware is handling business is poor and if this continues I'm going to cancel my two subscriptions before they get another penny out of me and I hope that they don't even keep their 500k subscribers to profit from this game. No wonder it only cost them that much worth of subscriptions, let's be honest this is just WoW in space and anyone who disagrees is just lying to themselves. lol WoW in space? People think that every MMO is just a clone of WoW. This game is nothing like WoW.
WakeZero Posted December 30, 2011 Author Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) The game has been out for what 9 days? You cancel your subscription because of a nerf to a crew skill, fearing about how they only care about money? Maybe MMOs are not the right type of game for you. :l Fear has nothing to do with it. A company like BioWare can tout that they care about the games they make, and they care about the customers. And although that may be true, at the end of the day, they care about those things because it makes them money. Again, I cancelled my sub because I want them to care about what I care about. If they don't, fine, I'll go play something else. I'm the consumer, not BioWare. I have the money, and if they want it from me, they need to make me want their product. Not the other way around. You may also be thinking, ok, BioWare won't miss one sub. Well, no single rain drop thinks it's the cause of the flood either. So... like I said. If you don't like how BioWare OVER nerfed Slicing with no warning, and then refused to answer any of hundreds of posts complaining about it... cancel your sub like I did. When they stop making your money, they will start listening. Edited December 30, 2011 by WakeZero
Peacoq Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Edit: I've gone ahead and cancelled my subscription, stating my unhappiness with the slicing nerf. Companies only care about money, so they will only care if I stop giving it to them. You should do the same if you are unhappy with the nerf. If they want to keep touting their 1-2 million player base, they better start treating their players better before everyone's month of free game time is over. Edit 2: I cancelled my sub because if I don't like their product or what they do with it, as a consumer I'm putting my money where my mouth is. That's when consumers are heard. Welcome to the free market. And if in the 22 days I have left of my initial game time they make a statement and some sort of correction to slicing, I may resubscribe. The point is, it's my decision what I do with my money. If BioWare wants it, then I hope they start treating their customers with more respect. Not responding to even one of these threads is insulting. I'm level 400 slicing, and I've been sending out 3 companions for the past 5 hours on slicing missions, hand selecting the best rate of return missions I've found for lockboxes. I've made a total of 10,000 credits from the endeavor. What's the point? I can turn in two quests for that kind of return, or grind mobs and sell 10 minutes worth of grey items to get the same amount. I'm not bashing here, just posting cold hard facts from personal work and experience. My conclusion is that Slicing was nerfed too much, regardless of whether you think it should have been nerfed at all. Worst of all, I was told to choose slicing if I don't want to craft items. Guess I'm forced to craft now. I'll be switching to a new profession soon, because slicing isn't doing anything for me. Did you actually spend 5 hours of your time doing these slicing missions to get 10000c. Let me guess 5 companions * 2 missions / hour * 5 hours *10 seconds / mission = 500 seconds which is around 8 minutes of play time. 10000c for 8 minutes of play is not bad no matter how you look at it.
WakeZero Posted December 30, 2011 Author Posted December 30, 2011 Did you actually spend 5 hours of your time doing these slicing missions to get 10000c. Let me guess 5 companions * 2 missions / hour * 5 hours *10 seconds / mission = 500 seconds which is around 8 minutes of play time. 10000c for 8 minutes of play is not bad no matter how you look at it. Yea, but our complaint is that we can easily make more money from sending those same companions on other gathering professions and selling the mats. No difference in the amount of time or effort... but post nerf, slicing can't compete with other gathering professions. Pretty silly when Slicing was suppose to be a way for non-crafters to make money. That is our complaint, that they over nerfed it. (and that they haven't responded to a single thread on the subject).
Dosris Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Wow man talk about an over-reaction . . . but whatever, bye. No one will miss someone as rash as you. I wonder if many people realize Slicing is still useful in other areas . . . aside from the crew tasks used to get Boxes of money and such, you can still get whats essentially free money from the nigh-plentiful slice-able boxes littering the galaxy. I made tons of credits on my travels just prying open the ones I came across while questing. Thats in addition to the stuff that can be gotten for Cybertech creations, it can also be used to gain specialty missions for the other Mission skills, as well as certain rare Items. Just like any other mission skill. Thats on top of the fact, as many have stated, it was essentially doing almost nothing and getting massive amounts of free credits with nothing more then a little overhead to get it all started. Like I said, I wondered if many people realized the other uses of slicing, but given the rash actions of the Thread-starter, I doubt that anyone with his tact OR temperament would bother using their brain to think of things, I dont know, OUTSIDE their baked little penned-world of "I'm always right and things need to be this and my word is almighty and blah blah blah".
Tammerfiftynine Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 wow, are you really nerd raging over slicing? Is slicing the reason that you play this game? really? Did you cream your panties when they announced that slicing would be in the game or something? All they did was bring slicing in line with the other professions. It was bringing in too much money before. And even if it was not...who cares?? Maybe they made slicing OP then nerfed it to get the nerf-sensitive cry-babies out of the game early without having to nerf anything of importance. AND THE PLAN WORKED! Kudos Bioware!
hkraven Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) Slicing should never have generated lockboxes to begin with thats the problem. If anything it was the old Slicing that was the closest to breaking the economy in SWTOR(massive money inflation). The simple notion of a skill/craft that generates money w/o any actual work(crafting, AH selling etc) is just borderline retarded to begin with in an MMO. Slicing should really just have replaced Scavenging for Cybertech as the gathering crewskills and generated electronics or something for crafting use with maybe a small chance(Crew Skill Crit) to give lockboxes maybe. Then that repair costs might need a nerf aswell is a different story, speeder costs, re-modding and such can stay the same frankly as money/time-sinks are needed for an MMO and you really should think twice about throwing mods around, this might even start the economy if the AH prices get lower then replacing thus making buying new ones a viable choice. Edited December 30, 2011 by hkraven
Peacoq Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Yea, but our complaint is that we can easily make more money from sending those same companions on other gathering professions and selling the mats. No difference in the amount of time or effort... but post nerf, slicing can't compete with other gathering professions. Pretty silly when Slicing was suppose to be a way for non-crafters to make money. That is our complaint, that they over nerfed it. (and that they haven't responded to a single thread on the subject). Can we really get more money from other gathering professions. So if i pay 2000credits end game for my bioanalysis, i whould expect to get math for like 3000g?. Sorry i am mid level player and for now the missions on bioanalysis are a total waste of money. Mats you get are much less then their cost.
hkraven Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 wow, are you really nerd raging over slicing? Is slicing the reason that you play this game? really? Did you cream your panties when they announced that slicing would be in the game or something? All they did was bring slicing in line with the other professions. It was bringing in too much money before. And even if it was not...who cares?? Maybe they made slicing OP then nerfed it to get the nerf-sensitive cry-babies out of the game early without having to nerf anything of importance. AND THE PLAN WORKED! Kudos Bioware! The Slicing nerfrage is way overblown really and they tend to come up with these insane ways of measuring the nerf thats way off. Truth to be told Slicing has in reality only been nerfed if someone looks at it from the extremely narrowminded perspective as a credit generator skill and not an actual gathering proffesion. The drop rates for all the plans etc. that Slicing gives hasn't been touched one bit. Its only the "omgz I wonz the lottery" part thats gone. You can still get stuff from it to sell and make money like an actual businessman rather then someone who, as stated earlier, got the money from the lottery in lack of an better analogy.
Cubert Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Congratulations. Slicing missions are for augments anyways. Any serious slicer isn't sending their pets on missions for boxes, unless it's just to level the skill. After the nerf I went to Voss and tested on boxes. 150k credits in an hour. Not much of a nerf to me.
Repefe Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Can we really get more money from other gathering professions. So if i pay 2000credits end game for my bioanalysis, i whould expect to get math for like 3000g?. Sorry i am mid level player and for now the missions on bioanalysis are a total waste of money. Mats you get are much less then their cost. IF you can buy them. Big IF on my server for example.
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