6.0 Tank Stats

[ZorusCilato]

I'm not as good at understanding the math here. Can someone break this down a bit for me? My question is simple: is there diminishing returns on endurance and defense and if so, what are the marks? Also, which of the two is most important? I recognize that Shield and absorb are superior, but I want to fine tune my tank.

 

My current stats are roughly:

Defense 6800

Absorb 3100

shield 3100

Endurance 14,6k

 

Thanks in advance!

[dipstik]

endurance is capped in synced content

defense always has diminishing returns due to its equation being

 

percent defense= base+bonus+30 * ( 1 - ( 1 - ( 1 / 30 ) )^( (defense_rating/75 ) / 2.125) )

 

link to plot : https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+30+*+%28+1+-+%28+1+-+%28+1+%2F+30+%29+%29%5E%28+%28x%2F75+%29+%2F+2.125%29+%29+from+x%3D0+to+x%3D7000

 

you get plenty of defense if you use tan mods and enhancements, so getting more endurance might be benificial if you think you have enough defense. that is why i posted infor for B mods and lethal B mods.

 

follow the tl/dr for uncapped content:

 

tl/dr:

sin: 200 more absorb than shield

jugg: equal shield and absorb. Jugg may want to use some defense mods for high melee ranged fights if using lethal.

pt: 1000 more shield than absorb

warding+avoidance/matrix or no warding if absorb is bugged

reinforced armor looks best since the average m is 0.6 at least overall, and like 85 for dxun

Edited January 13, 2020 by dipstik

[justinplainview]

This is going to be an odd question... I just came back, and getting an optimized tank set up and running will take a bit. Is there a rule of thumb of acceptable tank stats for the harder raid content in the game? Is it just a general "try and get the ratio close and optimize on the fly" or is there anything more specific?

[LD_Little_Dragon]

This is going to be an odd question... I just came back, and getting an optimized tank set up and running will take a bit. Is there a rule of thumb of acceptable tank stats for the harder raid content in the game? Is it just a general "try and get the ratio close and optimize on the fly" or is there anything more specific?

 

There's no real aggreement on ideal tank stats, a lot depend on the class, skill level, ect.

 

In general I suggest going for 3000 plus stat points in shield, and 2000 or so in absorb. That will give you decent mitigation and should work for most HM content.

[justinplainview]

There's no real aggreement on ideal tank stats, a lot depend on the class, skill level, ect.

 

In general I suggest going for 3000 plus stat points in shield, and 2000 or so in absorb. That will give you decent mitigation and should work for most HM content.

thank you for the quick response. I have all 3 tanks, and I have heard that all 3 are roughly fine to use for all content-- I know that in the past, some tanks were more ideal than others (NiM Brontes Sin tank, PT Tank on pre nerf HM Revan, etc) and I was wondering if it really mattered one way or the other in current meta. Before I left the game in 4.x I tanked all content so assume a baseline level of competence. I am willing to use any tank, but I won't lie I have more fun jugg tanking than I do sin tanking, etc.

[dipstik]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kHNQ2Hr3b_jfakv4WLfPXlpuwN-MwCUC/view?usp=sharing

 

rough 7.0 data based on preliminary gear info (minimum defense of 5097, pool of 12633... 6.0 passives...) useful(?) info on bosses sheet.

 

 

sin m=1 m=0.9 m=0.8 m=0.7 m=0.6 m=0.5 m=0.4 m=0.3 m=0.2 m=0.1

d 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097

s 3591 3605 3617 3626 3631 3634 3633 3629 3622 3611

a 3945 3931 3919 3910 3905 3902 3903 3907 3914 3925

base 0.25050 0.26729 0.28403 0.30074 0.31742 0.33409 0.35074 0.36739 0.38404 0.40070

S 0.24523 0.26164 0.27801 0.29434 0.31065 0.32694 0.34321 0.35948 0.37575 0.39203

A 0.24435 0.26069 0.27700 0.29327 0.30952 0.32576 0.34198 0.35821 0.37445 0.39070

M 0.24493 0.26132 0.27766 0.29397 0.31025 0.32650 0.34274 0.35896 0.37518 0.39140

I 0.24708 0.26421 0.28130 0.29836 0.31538 0.33239 0.34939 0.36637 0.38336 0.40036

relic AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM

=ward 64122 59871 56117 52776 49780 47076 44620 42379 40323 38428

sigma 0.21462 0.21515 0.21436 0.21224 0.20877 0.20389 0.19751 0.18947 0.17955 0.16744

 

jugg m=1 m=0.9 m=0.8 m=0.7 m=0.5 m=0.4 m=0.3 m=0.2 m=0.1

d 7000 6732 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097

s 2785 2917 3722 3722 3722 3722 3722 3722 3722 3722

a 2848 2984 3814 3814 3814 3814 3814 3814 3814 3814

base 0.26493 0.27777 0.28953 0.30075 0.31196 0.32318 0.33440 0.34562 0.35684 0.36805

S 0.26084 0.27347 0.28506 0.29610 0.30715 0.31819 0.32924 0.34028 0.35133 0.36237

A 0.26056 0.27316 0.28465 0.29568 0.30671 0.31774 0.32877 0.33980 0.35083 0.36186

M 0.26055 0.27315 0.28464 0.29567 0.30670 0.31773 0.32875 0.33978 0.35081 0.36184

I 0.26191 0.27499 0.28678 0.29834 0.30990 0.32147 0.33303 0.34459 0.35615 0.36771

relic AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM

=ward 81695 77611 73296 70562 68024 65663 63460 61401 59471 57658

sigma 0.20805 0.20188 0.19035 0.18344 0.17555 0.16652 0.15618 0.14422 0.13023 0.11342

 

 

 

pt m=1 m=0.9 m=0.8 m=0.7 m=0.5 m=0.4 m=0.3 m=0.2 m=0.1

d 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097

s 3991 3991 3991 3991 3991 3845 3846 3847 3849 3850

a 3545 3545 3545 3545 3545 3691 3690 3689 3687 3686

base 0.23349 0.24107 0.24866 0.25624 0.26383 0.27175 0.27934 0.28693 0.29452 0.30211

S 0.23129 0.23880 0.24632 0.25383 0.26135 0.26918 0.27670 0.28422 0.29174 0.29926

A 0.24785 0.25590 0.26395 0.27201 0.28006 0.28866 0.29672 0.30478 0.31285 0.32091

M 0.22506 0.23238 0.23969 0.24700 0.25431 0.26168 0.26899 0.27631 0.28362 0.29093

I 0.23080 0.23866 0.24651 0.25437 0.26222 0.27040 0.27826 0.28612 0.29398 0.30184

relic MI MI MI MI MI SM SM SM SM SM

=ward 42406 41072 39819 38640 37530 35479 34524 33618 32760 31943

sigma 0.19696 0.19552 0.19376 0.19169 0.18929 0.18777 0.18470 0.18127 0.17745 0.17321

 

 

 

equations from nyyah

Level 80 formulas:

(These are obviously subject to change at any time)

 

Alacrity:

30% x (100%-(100%-(1%/30%))^((Rating/80)/3.2))

 

1.4s GCD

7.1429% = 2054 Rating

4.1429% = 1123 Rating (Arsenal/Gunnery, Carnage/Combat)

2.1429% = 560 Rating (Lightning/Tekekinetics)

 

1.3s GCD

15.3846% = 5431 Rating

12.3846% = 4021 Rating (Arsenal/Gunnery, Carnage/Combat)

10.3846% = 3209 Rating (Lightning/Tekekinetics)

 

1.2s GCD

25% = 13531 Rating

22% = 9981 Rating (Arsenal/Gunnery, Carnage/Combat)

20% = 8296 Rating (Lightning/Tekekinetics)

 

Accuracy:

30% x (100%-(100%-(1%/30%))^((Rating/80)/3.2))

 

9% = 2694 Rating

 

Critical Chance/Multiplier (Critical Rating):

30% x (100%-(100%-(1%/30%))^((Rating/80)/2.41))

 

Critical Chance (Mastery):

20% x (100%-(100%-(1%/20%))^((Mastery/80)/12.93))

 

Shield:

50% x (100%-(100%-(1%/50%))^((Rating/80)/2.079))

 

Absorb:

50% x (100%-(100%-(1%/50%))^((Rating/80)/2.189))

 

Defense:

30% x (100%-(100%-(1%/30%))^((Rating/80)/5))

 

 

alacrity info (from sinrai

2.14% = 560 Rating (1.4 with 5% passive)

4.14% = 1123 Rating (1.4 with 3% passive)

7.14% = 2054 Rating (1.4 flat)

5.38% = 1494 Rating (1.3 with 10% passive)

7.38% = 2134 Rating (1.3 with 8% passive)

10.38% = 3209 Rating (1.3 with 5% passive)

12.38% = 4021 Rating (1.3 with 3% passive)

15.38% = 5431 Rating (1.3 flat)

Edited February 17, 2022 by dipstik

[RikuvonDrake]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kHNQ2Hr3b_jfakv4WLfPXlpuwN-MwCUC/view?usp=sharing

 

rough 7.0 data based on preliminary gear info (minimum defense of 5097, pool of 12633... 6.0 passives...) useful(?) info on bosses sheet.

 

 

sin m=1 m=0.9 m=0.8 m=0.7 m=0.6 m=0.5 m=0.4 m=0.3 m=0.2 m=0.1

d 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097

s 3591 3605 3617 3626 3631 3634 3633 3629 3622 3611

a 3945 3931 3919 3910 3905 3902 3903 3907 3914 3925

base 0.25050 0.26729 0.28403 0.30074 0.31742 0.33409 0.35074 0.36739 0.38404 0.40070

S 0.24523 0.26164 0.27801 0.29434 0.31065 0.32694 0.34321 0.35948 0.37575 0.39203

A 0.24435 0.26069 0.27700 0.29327 0.30952 0.32576 0.34198 0.35821 0.37445 0.39070

M 0.24493 0.26132 0.27766 0.29397 0.31025 0.32650 0.34274 0.35896 0.37518 0.39140

I 0.24708 0.26421 0.28130 0.29836 0.31538 0.33239 0.34939 0.36637 0.38336 0.40036

relic AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM

=ward 64122 59871 56117 52776 49780 47076 44620 42379 40323 38428

sigma 0.21462 0.21515 0.21436 0.21224 0.20877 0.20389 0.19751 0.18947 0.17955 0.16744

 

jugg m=1 m=0.9 m=0.8 m=0.7 m=0.5 m=0.4 m=0.3 m=0.2 m=0.1

d 7000 6732 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097

s 2785 2917 3722 3722 3722 3722 3722 3722 3722 3722

a 2848 2984 3814 3814 3814 3814 3814 3814 3814 3814

base 0.26493 0.27777 0.28953 0.30075 0.31196 0.32318 0.33440 0.34562 0.35684 0.36805

S 0.26084 0.27347 0.28506 0.29610 0.30715 0.31819 0.32924 0.34028 0.35133 0.36237

A 0.26056 0.27316 0.28465 0.29568 0.30671 0.31774 0.32877 0.33980 0.35083 0.36186

M 0.26055 0.27315 0.28464 0.29567 0.30670 0.31773 0.32875 0.33978 0.35081 0.36184

I 0.26191 0.27499 0.28678 0.29834 0.30990 0.32147 0.33303 0.34459 0.35615 0.36771

relic AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM AM

=ward 81695 77611 73296 70562 68024 65663 63460 61401 59471 57658

sigma 0.20805 0.20188 0.19035 0.18344 0.17555 0.16652 0.15618 0.14422 0.13023 0.11342

 

 

 

pt m=1 m=0.9 m=0.8 m=0.7 m=0.5 m=0.4 m=0.3 m=0.2 m=0.1

d 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097 5097

s 3991 3991 3991 3991 3991 3845 3846 3847 3849 3850

a 3545 3545 3545 3545 3545 3691 3690 3689 3687 3686

base 0.23349 0.24107 0.24866 0.25624 0.26383 0.27175 0.27934 0.28693 0.29452 0.30211

S 0.23129 0.23880 0.24632 0.25383 0.26135 0.26918 0.27670 0.28422 0.29174 0.29926

A 0.24785 0.25590 0.26395 0.27201 0.28006 0.28866 0.29672 0.30478 0.31285 0.32091

M 0.22506 0.23238 0.23969 0.24700 0.25431 0.26168 0.26899 0.27631 0.28362 0.29093

I 0.23080 0.23866 0.24651 0.25437 0.26222 0.27040 0.27826 0.28612 0.29398 0.30184

relic MI MI MI MI MI SM SM SM SM SM

=ward 42406 41072 39819 38640 37530 35479 34524 33618 32760 31943

sigma 0.19696 0.19552 0.19376 0.19169 0.18929 0.18777 0.18470 0.18127 0.17745 0.17321

 

 

 

 

equations from nyyah

Level 80 formulas:

(These are obviously subject to change at any time)

 

Alacrity:

30% x (100%-(100%-(1%/30%))^((Rating/80)/3.2))

 

1.4s GCD

7.1429% = 2054 Rating

4.1429% = 1123 Rating (Arsenal/Gunnery, Carnage/Combat)

2.1429% = 560 Rating (Lightning/Tekekinetics)

 

1.3s GCD

15.3846% = 5431 Rating

12.3846% = 4021 Rating (Arsenal/Gunnery, Carnage/Combat)

10.3846% = 3209 Rating (Lightning/Tekekinetics)

 

1.2s GCD

25% = 13531 Rating

22% = 9981 Rating (Arsenal/Gunnery, Carnage/Combat)

20% = 8296 Rating (Lightning/Tekekinetics)

 

Accuracy:

30% x (100%-(100%-(1%/30%))^((Rating/80)/3.2))

 

9% = 2694 Rating

 

Critical Chance/Multiplier (Critical Rating):

30% x (100%-(100%-(1%/30%))^((Rating/80)/2.41))

 

Critical Chance (Mastery):

20% x (100%-(100%-(1%/20%))^((Mastery/80)/12.93))

 

Shield:

50% x (100%-(100%-(1%/50%))^((Rating/80)/2.079))

 

Absorb:

50% x (100%-(100%-(1%/50%))^((Rating/80)/2.189))

 

Defense:

30% x (100%-(100%-(1%/30%))^((Rating/80)/5))

 

 

alacrity info (from sinrai

2.14% = 560 Rating (1.4 with 5% passive)

4.14% = 1123 Rating (1.4 with 3% passive)

7.14% = 2054 Rating (1.4 flat)

5.38% = 1494 Rating (1.3 with 10% passive)

7.38% = 2134 Rating (1.3 with 8% passive)

10.38% = 3209 Rating (1.3 with 5% passive)

12.38% = 4021 Rating (1.3 with 3% passive)

15.38% = 5431 Rating (1.3 flat)

 

this is great stuff thank you, nice to have some of the recognizable names back for the expansion and all it entails