TrixxieTriss Posted May 12, 2019 Posted May 12, 2019 I’ve started this thread so people have place discuss what happens when old rewards are offered again. If you already have older rewards, how would Bioware make you continue to feel valued if the old rewards were released again? Or do we need a new rewards system where people can collect a rewards currency based on subscribed time? Then Bioware can add old and further rewards to a vendor and people can pick and choose from them? The subscribed time you have, the more currency you have to obtain those rewards. This means all subs can choose what they want and the oldest subs can collect everything. While the new subs would be limited because they would never have as much subscriber currency and have to pick and choose from them. (Hopefully this can stop people derailing the other thread on the HK-55 chapter) Discuss :
casirabit Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 https://www.swgemu.com/archive/scrapbookv51/data/20071216101851/index.html Is an example and probably the best one I know as it rates time sub and you have choices. (Thanks Trixxie, the other one was giving me a headache)
DarthSpuds Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 I’ve started this thread so people have place discuss what happens when old rewards are offered again. If you already have older rewards, how would Bioware make you continue to feel valued if the old rewards were released again? Why is there an assumption that as old rewards are re-released those who got them first time around are less valued? That makes absolutely no sense. I feel valued as a customer based on what Bioware gives ME, not on what it gives to someone else, 2 years after I already got it. This whole mentality snacks of snow-flake, self-important, entitlement to me. All The Best
TrixxieTriss Posted May 13, 2019 Author Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) Why is there an assumption that as old rewards are re-released those who got them first time around are less valued? That makes absolutely no sense. I feel valued as a customer based on what Bioware gives ME, not on what it gives to someone else, 2 years after I already got it. This whole mentality snacks of snow-flake, self-important, entitlement to me. All The Best I’m just offering a forum for those that feel this way to discuss it and not derail another thread. Personally, I don’t feel devalued with old rewards being offered. The only time I’ve felt devalued is when Bioware “took away rewards” for people who purchased the game at launch. Now I have to use Cartel coins to open stuff up like speeder riding at lvl one (which was part of my upgraded version). I paid extra money above the standard version of the game to get those rewards. Now I am reduced to if I only paid for the standard version or the same as sub only players who have never actually had to purchase the game to play it. Edited May 13, 2019 by TrixxieTriss
QuinlanSaathis Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 Why is there an assumption that as old rewards are re-released those who got them first time around are less valued? That makes absolutely no sense. I feel valued as a customer based on what Bioware gives ME, not on what it gives to someone else, 2 years after I already got it. This whole mentality snacks of snow-flake, self-important, entitlement to me. All The Best Its quite simple if it is explained correctly. The promotion and reward for the story is OVER, done and gone they missed it, too bad. If Bioware want to run a NEW promotion but offer the same reward then that is on them, however a NEW promotion has NEW requirements such as you have to have been subbed for the last 7 months. I was subbed for the last 7 months however I already have the old reward being offered so I ask yet again. What is my reward for this NEW promotion? They made the same mistake with Shae/Nico offered an old reward again and did not give any alternative for those that already had them so the sub promotion was not for ALL subs and it could be argued those that have subbed long enough for the OLD rewards are the most loyal customers they have and we are not being treated fairly. So it seems I will be making my arguments here after all but I will NOT leave the other thread.
BRKMSN Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 I'm for new rewards for everybody. I'm not for retread rewards. I'm not for consolation rewards resulting from retreads. That pretty much covers every possible scenario in this thread.
annabethchase Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) Equivalent cartel coins to whatever is being brought back. Don't be cheap with the digital currency either, it's time to be generous. At this point in the game's life cycle, it's time to really open up the toy chest for those of us financially supporting the game since 2011. Edited May 13, 2019 by annabethchase
TrixxieTriss Posted May 13, 2019 Author Posted May 13, 2019 Equivalent cartel coins to whatever is being brought back. Don't be cheap with the digital currency either, it's time to be generous. Who decides the value of the coins rewarded? You can be 100% sure that some will expect/demand a big amount of coins, while others will accept what ever Bioware give them. You can also guarantee that what ever amount is rewarded, no one will be 100% happy and some will be angry
annabethchase Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 Who decides the value of the coins rewarded? Bioware does, and I suggest at this point in the life cycle of the game that they be generous.
TrixxieTriss Posted May 13, 2019 Author Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) Bioware does, and I suggest at this point in the life cycle of the game that they be generous. Ok, but define generous. It can means something different to everyone. 500, 1000, 1400, 2400, 5000 Edited May 13, 2019 by TrixxieTriss
Jdast Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) This whole mentality snacks of snow-flake, self-important, entitlement to me. All The Best SMACK SMACK SMACK! Sorry couldn't resist, particularly since I've found myself agreeing with you more and more as of late. Dasty Edited May 13, 2019 by Jdast
Jdast Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) Ok, but define generous. It can means something different to everyone. 500, 1000, 1400, 2400, 5000 I started the ball rolling in your other thread at 1000. <<I really am the best.>> This satisfies the "I hate flair crowd." It satisfies the "I hate titles crowd." It also satisfies the "Bioware screwed up their presentation of this reward crowd." Make everyone happy, but not outrageously so. But... Dear Bioware, Never lock content behind a promotion again. Kthxbye -- prettymucheveryone Dasty Edited May 13, 2019 by Jdast
TrixxieTriss Posted May 13, 2019 Author Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) I started the ball rolling in your other thread at 1000. <<I really am the best.>> This satisfies the "I hate flair crowd." It satisfies the "I hate titles crowd." It also satisfies the "Bioware screwed up their presentation of this reward crowd." Make everyone happy, but not outrageously so. But... Dear Bioware, Never lock content behind a promotion again. Kthxbye -- prettymucheveryone Dasty LoL, I can’t find any reason to disagree with your logic . I wonder how many people will now say 2400+ is reasonable or 5000 isn’t enough Edited May 13, 2019 by TrixxieTriss
DarthSpuds Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 Its quite simple if it is explained correctly. The promotion and reward for the story is OVER, done and gone they missed it, too bad. If Bioware want to run a NEW promotion but offer the same reward then that is on them, however a NEW promotion has NEW requirements such as you have to have been subbed for the last 7 months. I was subbed for the last 7 months however I already have the old reward being offered so I ask yet again. What is my reward for this NEW promotion? They made the same mistake with Shae/Nico offered an old reward again and did not give any alternative for those that already had them so the sub promotion was not for ALL subs and it could be argued those that have subbed long enough for the OLD rewards are the most loyal customers they have and we are not being treated fairly. So it seems I will be making my arguments here after all but I will NOT leave the other thread. Sorry, disagree with you 100%. You got a special reward when it was offered as such, and you qualified. If SWTOR wants to give that special reward to everyone for free that is up to them. When you go to the store and buy groceries, do you demand recompense if 2 years later some of those groceries go on sale, and other people get them cheaper than you did? That makes no sense, and neither does this. All The Best
QuinlanSaathis Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 Sorry, disagree with you 100%. You got a special reward when it was offered as such, and you qualified. If SWTOR wants to give that special reward to everyone for free that is up to them. When you go to the store and buy groceries, do you demand recompense if 2 years later some of those groceries go on sale, and other people get them cheaper than you did? That makes no sense, and neither does this. All The Best Its called Loyalty and Sub Rewards are Loyalty rewards. If there is a new SUB reward it should reward all of us not just some people. ISP, phone companies, electric companies run promotions all the time for the New user, the New account and never offer these to their existing clients, but I know from personal experience if you call them and threaten to take your account elsewhere they will most certainly extend that promotion to you because it is NOT good business to reward new people with no history and not reward your loyal existing clients. All we are doing here is "calling" Bioware and telling them that this new offer for existing clients better be extended to us as well with a reward we value. This isn't greed, not asking for MORE just asking for parity. The old promotion is done, its gone so just forget it. Any new promotion has to cater for all of us subscribers, not just the "new comers" We could go one better. How about if you had a active account during the original promotion but decided NOT to sub then you are SoL and its only offered to actual new people that were not playing during this promotion. I would have no issue with that, new people get some shinies and those free-loaders that only "subbed at the end" thinking they were so clever aren't so clever any more, choices matter and all that. There would need to be a provision for those that were unfortunate, missed a week, credit card issues, medical etc etc, so if you subbed more than 75% of the required term you should get it also. There are so many ways to slice it and it just gets more and more complicated. better to just say NO, promotion is over and you did not qualify. end of story.
IoNonSoEVero Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 I don't have the Controversial Reward that is being discussed but I do have other sub rewards (Paxton/Shae/Nico) as well as a lot of the freebies and promotions from various places. It's really no skin off my teeth one way or the other if they offer any of these old sub/code rewards again. I didn't do any real work to get them and it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the product. In the name of goodwill I think it's *nice* if Bioware offers something to people to already have the reward, and I think it would probably save them a lot of anger from some players, but it's not something they are required to do. Giving people the reward once doesn't mean they're required to continually gift new things to those recipients every time they offer the original reward in the future. Also, who decides which original HK recipients get the new "consolation prize?" If you haven't subbed since the end of the original HK promotion do you still get the consolation prize? If you subbed for the last 36 months do you get the same as someone who has been in and out and subbed for four months? How is all that weighted? It's where I think Trixie's idea of a "frequent flyer" system where players simply accrue time/currency they can use toward sub rewards of their choice might be more equitable and a better tactic for future sub promotions.
QuinlanSaathis Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 In the name of goodwill I think it's *nice* if Bioware offers something to people to already have the reward, and I think it would probably save them a lot of anger from some players, but it's not something they are required to do. Giving people the reward once doesn't mean they're required to continually gift new things to those recipients every time they offer the original reward in the future. Yes and Bioware agrees with this or they would never have brought up the topic in the first place knowing how much anger it would cause. Also, who decides which original HK recipients get the new "consolation prize?" If you haven't subbed since the end of the original HK promotion do you still get the consolation prize? If you subbed for the last 36 months do you get the same as someone who has been in and out and subbed for four months? How is all that weighted? This isn't hard, define a sub period like the original period, it can be retroactive. It's where I think Trixie's idea of a "frequent flyer" system where players simply accrue time/currency they can use toward sub rewards of their choice might be more equitable and a better tactic for future sub promotions.If it is released as a "Sub Reward" then the following must occur Agreed, this is by far the best way to do it, but it is not implemented yet so we must try and get equality in the current system.
LeMage Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 https://www.swgemu.com/archive/scrapbookv51/data/20071216101851/index.html Is an example and probably the best one I know as it rates time sub and you have choices. (Thanks Trixxie, the other one was giving me a headache) Even though I knew the link was a graphic, I had to try to click on "Try it Now" Those were actual rewards, here we would get to chose a pink, yellow or teal astromech droid.
casirabit Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) Even though I knew the link was a graphic, I had to try to click on "Try it Now" Those were actual rewards, here we would get to chose a pink, yellow or teal astromech droid. Yes I know SWG was like that we got actually rewards not droids. My problem in SWG was actually choosing a reward because even if you were at a higher tier you could always pick something in one of the lower ones instead. They left the choice up to you. if BW would have done or even implement that now we might not have all the forums filled with all this now. They could easy put the companions, the chapter, etc into a system like that and then it would not be causing all the problems as it is now. Edited May 13, 2019 by casirabit
OlBuzzard Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) I’ve started this thread so people have place discuss what happens when old rewards are offered again. If you already have older rewards, how would Bioware make you continue to feel valued if the old rewards were released again? Or do we need a new rewards system where people can collect a rewards currency based on subscribed time? Then Bioware can add old and further rewards to a vendor and people can pick and choose from them? The subscribed time you have, the more currency you have to obtain those rewards. This means all subs can choose what they want and the oldest subs can collect everything. While the new subs would be limited because they would never have as much subscriber currency and have to pick and choose from them. (Hopefully this can stop people derailing the other thread on the HK-55 chapter) Discuss : I know we dont always agree... but I have to hand it to you... you are doing your best to do right by everyone. I just wish others could see that! At any rate.. yeah ... as someone else said ... maybe it's time to open up the toy chest.. ?? I don't know (truthfully) I'm sure we all have a wish list of some sort. I mainly hope that the game continues to show profit for the next few years. Yes I steped away for a while (but I kept my sub up for most of that time). I'm hoping more than anything else that some of the struggles in the past can be sorted out. Now if BW has a toy box with that shoved down in the corner somewhere and can dig that out and open it up ... then that's cool ! BTW... I sincerly hope that I have in no way taken away from your other thread ! What you have done is commendable ! Feel freem to drop me a PM if you need to. hmm hang on a second ! I did find one toy that I would LOVE to find under the life day tree one day... (care to guess ?) Edited May 13, 2019 by OlBuzzard
Damask_Rose Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 Or do we need a new rewards system where people can collect a rewards currency based on subscribed time? Then Bioware can add old and further rewards to a vendor and people can pick and choose from them? This would be my preferred method and one I've advocated for for a very long time. People like choices! I like all of the little things like pets and titles and mounts. Others don't. Every time Bioware comes up with a reward there are people complaining about what it is. That's how we got into this mess in the first place! After a vociferous round of people complaining about the quality of rewards they did a pole asking what people wanted and then they came out with the chapter. If they stuck to handing out low hanging fruit, no one would be asking for a second chance at them. So if they dumped all of the old rewards and a bunch of new ones into a "Loyalty Shop" and gave us, say 4 "Loyalty Coins" a month people could get what they want. They could blow it on cheap re-colored droids or save up the chapter. Their call!
TrixxieTriss Posted May 13, 2019 Author Posted May 13, 2019 I know we dont always agree... but I have to hand it to you... you are doing your best to do right by everyone. I just wish others could see that! Thanks, I’ve tried to be, but it seems some are still bickering in the other thread and derailing it in the hope Bioware won’t do it.
Monumenta Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 I have all the sub rewards. I think they should all be brought back for new peeps. I dont think content like alliance alerts and chapters and cut scenes and companions should be possessed only by a shrinking minority. I dont need anything new to compensate me as I was rewarded years ago.
OlBuzzard Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 I have all the sub rewards. I think they should all be brought back for new peeps. I dont think content like alliance alerts and chapters and cut scenes and companions should be possessed only by a shrinking minority. I dont need anything new to compensate me as I was rewarded years ago. yeah... me too. Now BW wants to throw in a nice little something besides more fire works to go along with that... so much the better. BUT... that IS extra. Not a requirement!
JediMasterAlex Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 Why is there an assumption that as old rewards are re-released those who got them first time around are less valued? That makes absolutely no sense. I feel valued as a customer based on what Bioware gives ME, not on what it gives to someone else, 2 years after I already got it. This whole mentality snacks of snow-flake, self-important, entitlement to me. I wouldn't use the word snow-flake personally, but otherwise I completely agree with you. I have all the sub rewards. I think they should all be brought back for new peeps. I dont think content like alliance alerts and chapters and cut scenes and companions should be possessed only by a shrinking minority. I dont need anything new to compensate me as I was rewarded years ago. yeah... me too. Now BW wants to throw in a nice little something besides more fire works to go along with that... so much the better. BUT... that IS extra. Not a requirement! Thank you for being reasonable!
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