DarthOvertone Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Everytime I log into this game, guild leadership has passed to someone else. It's freaking annoying. Yo BW...Quit giving my guild away! Been paying a sub for 7 years. If I don't want to log in because your game is garbage, then that's my choice. Stop passing my guild leadership to other peeps who aren't playing either. Seriously...I try to log into this game once a month...I don't know, just because. Stretch the window that the torch passes to 60-90 days or something. It's ridiculous that I have to deal with this at all when I bought the guild myself. One more thing...what's the plan for this game? Where's the roadmap? If there is no expansion coming in the next month or so, I'll just pull the plug and unsub. Why am I wasting money on this trash game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorsaLindahl Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) peeps who aren't playing either. Simple solution: Remove them from the guild. BW has it's many faults, but you're blaming them for your own mistake. Edited January 14, 2019 by PorsaLindahl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Pretty much what Porsa said. I inherited responsibility for a guild when the group of humans imploded due to IRL stuff and some other things, and I log in to one of my enguildified characters every day, and I have a regular thing I do every three weeks where I log in to every single one of my characters, including the one who's leader of the guild, partly just to check their individual mailboxes, but also so that I remain in control of what happens to the guild. If for some reason I wanted to back off from playing the game a bit, I would *still* do the three-week thing, or I'd do an orderly hand-off (if possible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xordevoreaux Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I've lost count of the number of guilds I've inherited over the years because guild leadership failed to log in, and like Steve, I refresh my logins on all my toons before their login dates get stale enough where I'd lose any of my guilds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm-Cutter Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 um yeah. set a reminder on your phone or go old-school and mark the day on your calendar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I've lost count of the number of guilds I've inherited over the years because guild leadership failed to log in, and like Steve, I refresh my logins on all my toons before their login dates get stale enough where I'd lose any of my guilds. In my case, there's an added dose of responsibility because the handover was "orderly", meaning that it was decided on voice chat and I volunteered, but that doesn't change the recipe for preventing it: log in on that character when the three-week reminder goes off. (I use Microsoft To-Do on my iPhone, but y'all get the idea, right?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JattaGin Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I think many of us have been there. My situation seems even worse: What do you do if there are only two active (well, more or less) players in a once big guild: myself and another guy. About a year ago or so, for a reason I don't understand, that other guy got the leadership assigned to, even though I was online and he wasn't for several days and we had the same rank. That guy hasn't been playing, at least not on that char, ever since. However, he logs in once per month, apparently only to remain guild leadership. I was online a couple of times when this happened. He really just logs in and a few seconds later logs out again. And then I don't see him online for another 20 days or more. Why does this bother me? Because the guild still has its old settings which means everyone but the guild leader is highly restricted. I cannot invite anyone, I cannot change the guild info, I can only take 5 items per week from the guild bank which is full of hundreds of thousands of mats, many of those I donated myself throughout the years. It would take more than a lifetime to get all those back with a 5-per-week-limit. So they just rot there. Together with a lot of credits. That other guy doesn't even have an interest in that. He hasn't taken out one single item from the bank ever since he is leader. He also hasn't kicked me or any of the 2+ years inactive members out. I wrote to him in chat last time I saw him online. He didn't reply. Ever since I haven't seen him again. I don't know what I can do about it. Nothing, I suppose. Highly annoying. And I still don't understand why leadership went to him and not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-Win-Button Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 This topic seems to come up every couple of months. Someone hasn't logged in for a while, loses leadership of their guild, and isn't happy. The 30 day handover for guild leadership exists not as a safeguard for the guild leader but for everyone else in the guild. If something happens to the guild leader, be that simply losing interest or ending up in hospital, the leadership can shift to someone else (preference is given to the rank immediately beneath the guild leader, so Johnny Random who just joined isn't getting guild leadership unless everyone else is gone too). What difference is increasing the limit going to make? If logging in once a month is already an inconvenience, what difference is it going to make changing that to two or three months? Meanwhile the guild is left in limbo, wondering when someone who's actually playing the game is going to take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhancelot Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Everytime I log into this game, guild leadership has passed to someone else. It's freaking annoying. Yo BW...Quit giving my guild away! Been paying a sub for 7 years. If I don't want to log in because your game is garbage, then that's my choice. Stop passing my guild leadership to other peeps who aren't playing either. Seriously...I try to log into this game once a month...I don't know, just because. Stretch the window that the torch passes to 60-90 days or something. It's ridiculous that I have to deal with this at all when I bought the guild myself. One more thing...what's the plan for this game? Where's the roadmap? If there is no expansion coming in the next month or so, I'll just pull the plug and unsub. Why am I wasting money on this trash game? Alpha, do yourself a favor and pull your sub. They have only made the game worse and less enjoyable with each large patch added to the game for the past 3 years. I know you used to enjoy PVP and gearing alts, seriously just save yourself the frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casirabit Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I don't always play due to my school schedule but I do make it a point to log in on my toons that is the guild leader of the two guilds that my boyfriend and I run to keep current. It takes me about 5 minutes to log in to be current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayburn Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Agreed. This is ridiculous. Guilds are too big of an investment to just give them arbitrarily to whoever happens to still be around. I wish there was a way to reclaim inactive guilds or reassert your leadership if you come back from not playing a while and the guild is in disrepair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorsaLindahl Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Agreed. This is ridiculous. Guilds are too big of an investment to just give them arbitrarily to whoever happens to still be around. I wish there was a way to reclaim inactive guilds or reassert your leadership if you come back from not playing a while and the guild is in disrepair. If you feel so strongly about it, then take my advice from my first post in this thread and just remove everyone else from the guild. That way you don't lose your investment. And it's just common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenduKundalini Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 If you feel so strongly about it, then take my advice from my first post in this thread and just remove everyone else from the guild. That way you don't lose your investment. And it's just common sense. Sadly, I've had to do just that. And I won't invite anyone ever again. Losing my excruciatinlgy hard-won flagships is just out of the question. I'm actually considering starting off new guilds that I'm willing to let go in case anything happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorsaLindahl Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Sadly, I've had to do just that. And I won't invite anyone ever again. Losing my excruciatinlgy hard-won flagships is just out of the question. I'm actually considering starting off new guilds that I'm willing to let go in case anything happens... I hear ya. I currently have ownership of 2 flagships. It used to be 3 thanks to the last server merge. I managed to sell one of them at around a 30 mil loss. Currently it's only me, my family and a close friend in them. And if my friend goes more than 30 days without logging in, or if I don't think I'll be on for a month or more, I'll give him the boot and let him know to just contact me if he wants back in. I've kicked him probably a half dozen times already. I think he likes it. If I join other guilds, then I have enough characters that I can leave at least a few behind to "hold down the fort." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xordevoreaux Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) The 30 day handover [snip] It's 28 days, not 30. On minute one of day 28, if the GL hasn't logged in that long, the next toon to log in gets the guild. Don't think you can wait to day 29 to log in and expect to keep your guild. Edited January 14, 2019 by xordevoreaux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightblazer Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 What would also help is setting up your Guild ranks and those in those ranks in a position to take control if you don't log in on time. That way if leadership is passed to them, they would more then likely pass leadership back instead of some random player. They added more guild ranks, so use said ranks to promote or set people to lead your guild in place should you not login on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorsaLindahl Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) What would also help is setting up your Guild ranks and those in those ranks in a position to take control if you don't log in on time. That way if leadership is passed to them, they would more then likely pass leadership back instead of some random player. They added more guild ranks, so use said ranks to promote or set people to lead your guild in place should you not login on time. If the GM fails to log on in the designated time, leadership will go to the next person that logs on regardless of rank. It may bounce around if prefs or f2p's log in, but it will stick with the first subscriber. Edited January 14, 2019 by PorsaLindahl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xordevoreaux Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 What would also help is setting up your Guild ranks and those in those ranks in a position to take control if you don't log in on time. That way if leadership is passed to them, they would more then likely pass leadership back instead of some random player. They added more guild ranks, so use said ranks to promote or set people to lead your guild in place should you not login on time. Rank, schmank. I was member rank in the last guild I took over. The only member. Everyone else was leader or officer. But I was the one who logged on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denavin Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) What would also help is setting up your Guild ranks and those in those ranks in a position to take control if you don't log in on time. That way if leadership is passed to them, they would more then likely pass leadership back instead of some random player. They added more guild ranks, so use said ranks to promote or set people to lead your guild in place should you not login on time. Makes no difference what you set your ranks to... If the Guild Leader does not log in for 27 days, on the 28th day WHOM ever logs in becomes the new Guild Leader regardless of rank or Subscriptions status. set people to lead your guild in place should you not login on time. The system is there to eliminate No Show Guild Leaders.... And It Works WELL.. So if you do not want to loose control of your guild then log in every 28 days... It's not that hard to do. I have 3 guilds and I log into them every week. I have done that for 4 years and ... guess what. I have never lost one of my guilds... So NO it works and does not need to be changed.... Edited January 15, 2019 by denavin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillerbees Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Can anyone tell me do you have to stay subbed to retain your guild leadership?....or is it just a case of logging into your character every 28 days? I understand the pain of losing a guild - its happened to me even though I wasn't the guild leader at the time - the guild leader went afk without letting others know and myself and other alt heavy members missed out on catching the leadership. I have also been on the receiving end of getting someone else's guild - they are off playing WOW but I'm happy to watch the baby while they are away even though I barely know them. I wouldn't mess with what they have earned and once they demonstrate that they are back in earnest I will hand it back. They are happy that I'm not gonna raid the bank, undecorate the guildship etc!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JattaGin Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 It's 28 days, not 30. On minute one of day 28, if the GL hasn't logged in that long, the next toon to log in gets the guild. Don't think you can wait to day 29 to log in and expect to keep your guild. That is 100% NOT true! As I mentioned several times on this forum, I should have gotten leadership in two guilds like that, but in both cases, another player who had NOT logged in for several days (last time in both cases long before the 28 days mark) got leadership. In the first guild, which I co-founded in December 2011, that guy kicked me and everyone else out and stole our stuff. The second time is what I reported on page one of this thread. The leader is now logging in once per month to remain leader, but he is not doing anything at all. Logging in, immediately logging out again, coming back next month. And just to make this clear: In both cases I logged in daily, because I knew that the 28 days mark was coming and I wanted to make sure that I will become leader. Except that in both cases, the quoted rule didn't apply. (I was under the impression that this is the actual rule though. Maybe a bug?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightblazer Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) Makes no difference what you set your ranks to... If the Dead Beat Guild Leader does not log in for 27 days, on the 28th day WHOM ever logs in becomes the new Guild Leader regardless of rank or Subscriptions status. As I said before if you can't be bothered to log in ONCE every 28 days.... Then you deserve to loose your guild... The system is there to eliminate Dead Beat Guild Leaders.... And It Works WELL.. So if you do not want to loose control of your guild then log in every 28 days... It's not that hard to do. I have 3 guilds and I log into them every week. I have done that for 4 years and ... guess what. I have never lost one of my guilds... So NO it works and does not need to be changed.... I never said anything needs to be changed nor was I defending the OP in anyway. I was merely giving a suggestion and if was not correct fine but calm down. I'm not agreeing or backing the OP in anyway but merely was just trying to provide a suggestion nothing more. Chilling out. Edited January 14, 2019 by Nightblazer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xordevoreaux Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 That is 100% NOT true! As I mentioned several times on this forum, I should have gotten leadership in two guilds like that, but in both cases, another player who had NOT logged in for several days (last time in both cases long before the 28 days mark) got leadership. In the first guild, which I co-founded in December 2011, that guy kicked me and everyone else out and stole our stuff. The second time is what I reported on page one of this thread. The leader is now logging in once per month to remain leader, but he is not doing anything at all. Logging in, immediately logging out again, coming back next month. And just to make this clear: In both cases I logged in daily, because I knew that the 28 days mark was coming and I wanted to make sure that I will become leader. Except that in both cases, the quoted rule didn't apply. (I was under the impression that this is the actual rule though. Maybe a bug?) It's very simple. Someone else must have logged in despite your best efforts. I sat there and watched myself become guild leader as soon as day 27 became day 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JattaGin Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) It's very simple. Someone else must have logged in despite your best efforts. I sat there and watched myself become guild leader as soon as day 27 became day 28. Today was the 28 day mark of our guild leader not being online. I logged in and I got the message that guild leadership passed to a player who has logged in 10 days ago. The guild membership panel looks like this: I: online New guild leader: logged in 10 days ago Previous guild leader: logged in 28 days ago It's not so difficult to keep track if you're the only active player left. Now I have to wait 18 days again and hope for the best. We still have players in the guild who haven't logged in for more than a year. Maybe they are next. Edited January 29, 2019 by JattaGin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emersyn Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I think many of us have been there. My situation seems even worse: What do you do if there are only two active (well, more or less) players in a once big guild: myself and another guy. About a year ago or so, for a reason I don't understand, that other guy got the leadership assigned to, even though I was online and he wasn't for several days and we had the same rank. That guy hasn't been playing, at least not on that char, ever since. However, he logs in once per month, apparently only to remain guild leadership. I was online a couple of times when this happened. He really just logs in and a few seconds later logs out again. And then I don't see him online for another 20 days or more. Why does this bother me? Because the guild still has its old settings which means everyone but the guild leader is highly restricted. I cannot invite anyone, I cannot change the guild info, I can only take 5 items per week from the guild bank which is full of hundreds of thousands of mats, many of those I donated myself throughout the years. It would take more than a lifetime to get all those back with a 5-per-week-limit. So they just rot there. Together with a lot of credits. That other guy doesn't even have an interest in that. He hasn't taken out one single item from the bank ever since he is leader. He also hasn't kicked me or any of the 2+ years inactive members out. I wrote to him in chat last time I saw him online. He didn't reply. Ever since I haven't seen him again. I don't know what I can do about it. Nothing, I suppose. Highly annoying. And I still don't understand why leadership went to him and not me. Jeepers- that really sucks. Could you write a ticket in regards to it? I know its a long shot but maybe worth a chance? Or slowly withdrawl everything you want/need - and start over by yourself. Will suck for a while but might be worth it in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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