ShieldProtection Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 sith: I will kill you!! I will drink your blood!!! agent: what if I kill you first? what do you think? sith obey me or I will make you suffer agent can I count on your support? work with me sith kiss me only when I say so or I will force choke you agent I have so much to offer you, things you don't know, would you say no forever? sith its a pleasure to make your accuquantenedelfjkjroıdsdkfpfl (god I hate that one, sorry) agent Nice to meet you sith tell me your name or I will cut your fingers agent Hello sith this is a one time help only, next time I will burn this place agent I'm glad I saved you from your suffering sith when we start the executions? lets have some fun agent no we dont kill for fun, we are not savages we are Imperials and when we take lives, we do so for a reason sith you traitor! I kill traitors like you for betraying to the empire, your suffering will be eternal!! agent other than traitor of the Empire, who are you? sith sith empire is glorious, agent I seen the Empire's corruption its not a way to go, but what you doing is also wrong sith my master will betray me and I will kill him just like I killed others agent what happened to the loyalty huh, stabbing each others backs now? you should have trust me by now sith we got prisoners, ha ha yes! yes! lets force lighting them and then send to korriban to additional torture and brain wash agent release them and they will tell our victory to the galaxy sith god dammit jaesa!!! why you don't understand!! why do I have wait like 10 different talks between quests to fully romance you!!! I just want to get to bed with you!!!!!! agent join me for the dinner in my room so I can exactly show you what I mean I know this is all about taste and personal opinion, but man...full dark side sith is so retarded- I mean doing force choke on literally everyone on galaxy is so empty, its so meaningless, why kill everyone while you can force him/her to talk to you with basic methods, why force lighting on someone while you can easily make him/her talk by seducing. Again, this is just my opinion, of course you can do whatever you want, but think about some character and reliable choices, choices actually more fun and enjoyable than going into full maniac sadist mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegePro Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 This is why lightside Sith are infinitely more interesting than the darkside variety. They have nuance and often make the Jedi look like raving religious zealots... Lightside Sith: Why don’t you go be with your old love and be happy? NPC Jedi: Die monster! Lightside Sith: I want to help you cleanse this Temple of the angry spirit. NPC Jedi: Die monster! Lightside Sith: I just saved this planet from exploding. NPC Jedi: Die monster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefla Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Someone's not familiar with the concept of playing a LS sith or a DS agent, or even playing a nuanced character with their own motivations and goals which sometimes lean LS and sometimes lean DS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefla Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 This is why lightside Sith are infinitely more interesting than the darkside variety. They have nuance and often make the Jedi look like raving religious zealots... Lightside Sith: Why don’t you go be with your old love and be happy? NPC Jedi: Die monster! Lightside Sith: I want to help you cleanse this Temple of the angry spirit. NPC Jedi: Die monster! Lightside Sith: I just saved this planet from exploding. NPC Jedi: Die monster! Agreed. 100% DS sith are just stupid evil and not believable in the slightest. LS sith or even practical sith who will do what's best for the empire whether it's LS or DS are much more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacCleoud Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 The problem with many of the DS choices, as well as players, is that the DS choices are pretty much psychopath murder hobos. I choose light side options that benefit ME and my power base (which could actually be construed as a dark side reason). Until the Dark/Light alignment button was installed, my main toon was an Assassin that fluctuated between DS 1 and 2 depending on what FPS popped. I was never a big fan of the psychopath murder hobo way DS was portrayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IoNonSoEVero Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 The problem with many of the DS choices, as well as players, is that the DS choices are pretty much psychopath murder hobos. I choose light side options that benefit ME and my power base (which could actually be construed as a dark side reason). Until the Dark/Light alignment button was installed, my main toon was an Assassin that fluctuated between DS 1 and 2 depending on what FPS popped. I was never a big fan of the psychopath murder hobo way DS was portrayed. Same. Without the button most of mine would be between Light I and Dark II because they make decisions on both sides, depending on what they need or want to do. It's much more interesting than playing a saint or a mustache-twirling caricature of a villain. Many of the LS/DS choices don't make sense anyway. On the Imperial side there are LS choices where you're sending someone off to be tortured or openly exploiting them. On the Republic side there are DS choices where you're helping people stay safe or being kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehufsa Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Many of the LS/DS choices don't make sense anyway. On Hutta, in the H+2 " The man with the steel voice" , if you purify the water you get DS points. Why can't the twilek lady say something like : " OK,purify it and kill the monsters coming out of the river" ? Clean water and monster steak would benefit the village more than dirty water and smaller monsters killing people anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxidermis Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 This is why lightside Sith are infinitely more interesting than the darkside variety. They have nuance and often make the Jedi look like raving religious zealots... Lightside Sith: Why don’t you go be with your old love and be happy? NPC Jedi: Die monster! Lightside Sith: I want to help you cleanse this Temple of the angry spirit. NPC Jedi: Die monster! Lightside Sith: I just saved this planet from exploding. NPC Jedi: Die monster! So true.. I always end up making a lot of LS choices cause the 100 percent dark ones are often just silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastBoomArt Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I actually really enjoy playing the occassional psychopathic murder-raging hobo Sith. It helps to keep things interesting when about 90% of my characters are rational, logical and merciful. Granted the vanilla stories are pretty good for keeping things not too immersion breaking, but KOTFE/KOTET is so unbelievable when playing a psychopath... "I've tortured and killed HOW many people and you idiots are still willing to follow me?? I'm a murderous lunatic and I'm starting to question YOUR sanity" - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grania Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 This is why lightside Sith are infinitely more interesting than the darkside variety. They have nuance and often make the Jedi look like raving religious zealots... Lightside Sith: Why don’t you go be with your old love and be happy? NPC Jedi: Die monster! Lightside Sith: I want to help you cleanse this Temple of the angry spirit. NPC Jedi: Die monster! Lightside Sith: I just saved this planet from exploding. NPC Jedi: Die monster! This is fun to do, and worth at least one playthrough of the sith and jedi classes as the "wrong" alignment. However, I think people who play light side generally have a fundamental misunderstanding of why others enjoy playing dark side. I could probably write an essay on the subject but I'm trying to get through Belsavis and I have to concentrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latherfal Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 sith: I will kill you!! I will drink your blood!!!. smuggler: /kick in the crotch /disappearing act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AscendingSky Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I actually really enjoy playing the occassional psychopathic murder-raging hobo Sith. It helps to keep things interesting when about 90% of my characters are rational, logical and merciful. - The one solidly DS playthrough I've done was with my first Inquisitor. Specifically because zapping people with Force lightning becomes an option in 95% of all conversations and there's just something hilarious about playing the story out that way. Other than that, I agree, the DS options too often are pure murderhobo stupidity. Only a few class stories/flashpoints really give you good story reason to want to choose the DS option that's not just being a psychopath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylliarus Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 This is why lightside Sith are infinitely more interesting than the darkside variety. They have nuance and often make the Jedi look like raving religious zealots... Lightside Sith: Why don’t you go be with your old love and be happy? NPC Jedi: Die monster! Lightside Sith: I want to help you cleanse this Temple of the angry spirit. NPC Jedi: Die monster! Lightside Sith: I just saved this planet from exploding. NPC Jedi: Die monster! I know everyone's supposed to play the way they want to but the term "Light Side Sith" still makes me cringe (I'm sorry). Like I know the devs put it in the game and you can play that way, but to me personally it just sounds horrible. Sith are meant to be Dark Side and Jedi meant to be Light Side. A Light Side Sith just sounds very unrealistic to me because they'd never rise to power, they'd be hunted down and executed for being a heretic. And a Dark Side Jedi would never rise to the Council, they'd be either retrained or exiled. Or even killed for being a threat to the Order. Again, to each their own, but Light Side Sith and Dark Side Jedi just are a big no-no to me. Maybe that's because of my roleplaying background where in the RP community playing a Light Side Sith would not be accepted and my rather tight adherence to the lore. Not saying it's impossible to try to hide your allegiance in the Force, but the Sith would see through a Light Sider amongst them. It is shown multiple times in the lore how Sith picked up on Light Siders and described their allegiance as a thorn in the eye, while Jedi picked up Dark Side resonances within others. Playing as a Light Side Sith or Dark Side Jedi just doesn't come across as believable to me and makes me rather frown when people do play like that. Again, probs that's my RP background talking where such things (and others, like claiming your characters are related to existing lore characters) is simply not done and if you do it you basically become a pariah in the RP community. Saw it happening dozens of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seireeni Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I know everyone's supposed to play the way they want to but the term "Light Side Sith" still makes me cringe (I'm sorry). Like I know the devs put it in the game and you can play that way, but to me personally it just sounds horrible. Sith are meant to be Dark Side and Jedi meant to be Light Side. A Light Side Sith just sounds very unrealistic to me because they'd never rise to power, they'd be hunted down and executed for being a heretic. And a Dark Side Jedi would never rise to the Council, they'd be either retrained or exiled. Or even killed for being a threat to the Order. When someone talks about a "light side sith" or "dark side jedi", there's two ways to interpret that. You can either assume they're talking about a jedi who uses the dark side of the Force and a sith who uses the light side. OR it can mean a sith character that falls in the light side of the game's karma meter, or a jedi character who falls to the dark side of it. I can understand the dislike for the idea of a jedi using the dark side/sith using the light side, as those characters should at least face heavy resistance every step towards any goals they might have, but when we're talking about the karma meter? I really don't understand it. There's nothing in the Sith code that requires you to kill people vs. imprison and interrogate them, or that you're not allowed to make new allies by helping them out when their goals are similar to your goals. You can be a reasonable, pragmatic sith -- and that will give you piles of light side points. Doesn't mean your sith is actually using the light side, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylliarus Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 When someone talks about a "light side sith" or "dark side jedi", there's two ways to interpret that. You can either assume they're talking about a jedi who uses the dark side of the Force and a sith who uses the light side. OR it can mean a sith character that falls in the light side of the game's karma meter, or a jedi character who falls to the dark side of it. I can understand the dislike for the idea of a jedi using the dark side/sith using the light side, as those characters should at least face heavy resistance every step towards any goals they might have, but when we're talking about the karma meter? I really don't understand it. There's nothing in the Sith code that requires you to kill people vs. imprison and interrogate them, or that you're not allowed to make new allies by helping them out when their goals are similar to your goals. You can be a reasonable, pragmatic sith -- and that will give you piles of light side points. Doesn't mean your sith is actually using the light side, though. But that's exactly why some of the Light Side and Dark Side choices don't make a lot of sense. Because many of the choices that are Light Side actually aid the Empire (for example that one on Nar Shaddaa with that alien in the datacenter that promises you information for the Empire if you let him live) while the Dark Side less. It's why I generally disregard Light Side and Dark Side choices within the story. I just align with Dark Side on my Impside chars and get Dark Side points through companion missions and PvP, while on Repside I commit to Light Side and obtain LS points the same way. Because a Sith can be aligned with the Dark Side and be pragmatic, absolutely. Or be very patriotic and devoted to the Empire. But that's why the ingame LS and DS choices never really made a lot of sense to me and there I make choices based on the personality I had in mind for the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seireeni Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 But that's exactly why some of the Light Side and Dark Side choices don't make a lot of sense. Because many of the choices that are Light Side actually aid the Empire (for example that one on Nar Shaddaa with that alien in the datacenter that promises you information for the Empire if you let him live) while the Dark Side less. It's why I generally disregard Light Side and Dark Side choices within the story. I just align with Dark Side on my Impside chars and get Dark Side points through companion missions and PvP, while on Repside I commit to Light Side and obtain LS points the same way. Because a Sith can be aligned with the Dark Side and be pragmatic, absolutely. Or be very patriotic and devoted to the Empire. But that's why the ingame LS and DS choices never really made a lot of sense to me and there I make choices based on the personality I had in mind for the character. I can see where you're coming from. I also always come up with a personality for my characters and then follow that, even if it means I end up taking LS choices with a sith character, or DS choices with a jedi. However, I don't pick the LS/DS karma meter alignment based on which faction my character is in -- I base it on where I believe they would have landed "naturally", if the whole dark vs. light -system didn't exist. And so, when I refer to a LS sith character, I just refer to a character who picks a lot of LS options. From what I've understood, many other people use the term the same way I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylliarus Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I can see where you're coming from. I also always come up with a personality for my characters and then follow that, even if it means I end up taking LS choices with a sith character, or DS choices with a jedi. However, I don't pick the LS/DS karma meter alignment based on which faction my character is in -- I base it on where I believe they would have landed "naturally", if the whole dark vs. light -system didn't exist. And so, when I refer to a LS sith character, I just refer to a character who picks a lot of LS options. From what I've understood, many other people use the term the same way I do. I definitely see your point of view! Maybe I just have had too many bad experiences with "Light Side Sith" in RP and that caused me to be biased towards the concept But the way you describe it is not that different from the way I myself go through the story. I am just more traditional I guess and I want my Sith characters to be Dark Side by default and Jedi Light Side on the karma/alignment-meter. But you can be Dark Sided in various ways, you can be ruthless Dark Side, pragmatic Dark Side, apathetic Dark Side etc etc. The same goes for Light Side, you can be harmoniously Light Side, radically Light Side, sceptically Light Side etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seireeni Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I definitely see your point of view! Maybe I just have had too many bad experiences with "Light Side Sith" in RP and that caused me to be biased towards the concept But the way you describe it is not that different from the way I myself go through the story. I am just more traditional I guess and I want my Sith characters to be Dark Side by default and Jedi Light Side on the karma/alignment-meter. But you can be Dark Sided in various ways, you can be ruthless Dark Side, pragmatic Dark Side, apathetic Dark Side etc etc. The same goes for Light Side, you can be harmoniously Light Side, radically Light Side, sceptically Light Side etc etc. Agreed! Using the dark side doesn't mean you have to take every or even most of the DS options. In fact, I like it better that way, because taking every DS option easily creates a one-dimensional character that just wants to kill everything for no real reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ylliarus Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) Agreed! Using the dark side doesn't mean you have to take every or even most of the DS options. In fact, I like it better that way, because taking every DS option easily creates a one-dimensional character that just wants to kill everything for no real reason. It can be one of the effects of Dark Side corruption, turning into a homocidal maniac. But there are various other ways the Dark Side can corrupt a being and twist them. So I completely agree with you there! Alignment to the Dark Side and alignment to the Light Side can be expressed in various ways as long as the core concepts of the two sides are met. Using the Force selflessly means you use the Light Side of the Force and using the Force selfishly while drawing upon negative emotions means you use the Dark Side. But you can use various negative emotions as fuel for the Dark Side; anger, hate, fear, pride, sorrow, disgust, jealousy etc etc. Same goes for the Light, you can use the Force selflessly while expressing hope, love, understanding, joy, serenity and so on. Edited November 10, 2018 by Ylliarus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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